Indian army jawan helps nab alleged Pak spy

[KS]

Well I am specifically talking about valley, and there is still strong resentment about Indian military presence. I know they are sick of militancy, but they are sick of army too. I know ladakh and Jammu are pro India.
That is why I said, they may not be pro pakistan anymore, but it is a long way for them to be pro India.

I've been talking about the Valley all along. Sri Nagar is in the heart of the Kashmir Valley.

I have been to Sri Nagar on a business trip and would it be shocking to for you if I told the most of the people there are weary of the insurgency and just want to move on with their life and dont give a hoot as to whether they are with India or with Pakistan or independent. They are the absolute majority - the common traders, florists,boatsmen etc. The separatists are a minority with most of them coming from a ultra-religious background and only a few are even graduates among them. For them it is a Hindu India vs Muslim Valley affair nothing else and the economic deprivation just adds to their woes and they see a convenient SATAN in India for all their woes.

But with India's growing economy and opportunities growing everywhere more and more are coming to the mainland and those are the types who would like to stay in India.The detoriating situation in Pakistan doesn't help them either.

The core point is Not all the Kashmiris are against India as it is portrayed. It is only section of the ultra-religious nutjobs who view this as a Hindu vs Muslim affair and some others who are brainwashed by the separatists.

 

[Shinigami]

Kahmiris. . .

 

[sivadreams]

Karhic, I do not know of you have visited some parts of Kashmir. I am a vivid traveler in that part of the country in the name of trekking and do converse with the locals and have also developed some good friendship. The last two decades has really made some people fed up with India also. I think there needs a more tactical management of the society in terms of policy so that not many turn hostile against the oneness of this great idea of India. I am born Tamil and do not get carried away with the tamil cause like most of the tamils. The simple reason is I believe and brought into the idea of India. I am first an Indian and then a tamil. If I have to fight against the tamils outside India i will not hesitate if its for the best interest of my country (idea) India. National Interest is put forward first and then the ethnicity and religion. This should be instilled in all parts of India evenly. There is parity in this understanding across the nation from Kashmir to Tamilnadu and the level of parity varies. We are not yet there but definitely progressing.

 

[sivadreams]

Kahmiris. . .

Haahaa as if you come speak to all like kashmiris day in day out.

 

[KS]

Karthic, I do not know of you have visited some parts of Kashmir. I am a vivid traveler in that part of the country in the name of trekking and do converse with the locals and have also developed some good friendship. The last two decades has really made some people fed up with India also. I think there needs a more tactical management of the society in terms of policy so that not many turn hostile against the oneness of this great idea of India. I am born Tamil and do not get carried away with the tamil cause like most of the tamils. The simple reason is I believe and brought into the idea of India. I am first an Indian and then a tamil. If I have to fight against the tamils outside India i will not hesitate if its for the best interest of my country (idea) India. National Interest is put forward first and then the ethnicity and religion. This should be instilled in all parts of India evenly. There is parity in this understanding across the nation from Kashmir to Tamilnadu and the level of parity varies. We are not yet there but definitely progressing.

I completely agree with you friend. Our country is not homogenous in anything be it language, religion, ethinicity. Nothing. But that is what makes my India unique. It just breaks apart the conventional notion that you have to be of the same religion or ethnicity or language or whatever to be a country and that too a sucessful one. All we have in common is one thing --- Indian-ness.

As for the bolded part in your post I have a slightly different take on it. For me neither comes first. Both are simultaneous and being an Indian and Tamil at the same time is not impossible because these two are my different identities and they are not mutually exclusive.

Ofcourse if anyone talks about secession from India then he needs a nice spanking.

 

[sivadreams]

@ Karthic: Friends: I would like to reply to you on the bold text as we have been in the cross roads earlier as well in history. but this thread may get derailed and just stop it there. -

Just a note (We may discuss this in mail): I support the decision of IPKF and India turning hostile to the earlier decision of supporting the LTTE cause as that time LTTE was just in its cause when it started. Agreed. When it turned rougue and took its extremist path and introduced new deadly methods in terms of suicide bombings and teach the rest of the world terrorist organizations, that is where it had to be clipped. Not to forget that at that time having USA next door was against out national interest and I go with it and not as Tamil. For me India comes first and then Tamil. First I should live so that I can protect my brothers. One cannot win a war dying. Yes one can argue stating still we need to give some sacrifices. Yes, agreed but at what cost atleast not at the cause of India - THE IDEA. May be lets agree to disagree here.

 

[KS]

@ Karthic: Friends: I would like to reply to you on the bold text as we have been in the cross roads earlier as well in history. but this thread may get derailed and just stop it there. -

Just a note (We may discuss this in mail): I support the decision of IPKF and India turning hostile to the earlier decision of supporting the LTTE cause as that time LTTE was just in its cause when it started. Agreed. When it turned rougue and took its extremist path and introduced new deadly methods in terms of suicide bombings and teach the rest of the world terrorist organizations, that is where it had to be clipped. Not to forget that at that time having USA next door was against out national interest and I go with it and not as Tamil. For me India comes first and then Tamil. First I should live so that I can protect my brothers. One cannot win a war dying. Yes one can argue stating still we need to give some sacrifices. Yes, agreed but at what cost atleast not at the cause of India - THE IDEA. May be lets agree to disagree here.

The bottom point is there is nothing to disagree with you. You have stated my mind just that the wordings or approach to it is different.

As you said I support the Indian Govt action against LTTE as they were long suspected of harboring links with India's own insurgents. But my one point of grouse is that the Indian Govt should NOT have turned a blind eye to the war crimes of the SL Army during the final phase. And it also needs to be a bit tough with the SL regarding shooting our fishermen.

 

[JonAsad]

that led to the dramatic detention of a Pakistan high commission driver in Chandigarh, a few kilometres

then

The Pakistan high commission official was interrogated for almost 24 hours but "he turned out be a hard nut, revealing very little", a source said.

Who was he- the driver or the official?-

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and then- Lol at this development

Within hours of the driver's arrest, Pakistani authorities detained an Indian high commission staffer in Islamabad. The matter ended with both sides releasing their respective detainees.

 

[sivadreams]

then
Who was he- the driver or the official?-
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and then- Lol at this development

what is there to laugh... this happens in every other capital in the world. if you haven't followed world diplomacy thats how things work. Do you think that particular person will be spared or the Pakistan authorities will be kind to Indian diplomats. if you expect it so then you are naive.

 

[sivadreams]

The bottom point is there is nothing to disagree with you. You have stated my mind just that the wordings or approach to it is different.

As you said I support the Indian Govt action against LTTE as they were long suspected of harboring links with India's own insurgents. But my one point of grouse is that the Indian Govt should NOT have turned a blind eye to the war crimes of the SL Army during the final phase. And it also needs to be a bit tough with the SL regarding shooting our fishermen.

Yes, in diplomacy one need to turn a blind eye sometimes. Do you think India would just like turned a blind eye for nothing. There will be some negotiations to reap benefits to support its military action. w.r.t. fishermen problem in the i did not venture in the high seas or spoken first hand to anybody so I would have to without second thought defend my countrymen as they are Indian Fisherman first. Be it in coastal Gujarat or Coastal Tamilnadu. We need to detach each issue and take it with the respective government or else we will be at war for every issue on every other day.

Coming back to topic...

I thought it was a bit premature to burst the bubble for the army jawan maybe due to lack of experience. I would have used the ploy to plant counter intelligence and use him to send mis-info into Pakistan's diplomatic circles for sometime and at some point catch once when he becomes useless, catch him red handed and expel him. As we cannot hang or jail a diplomat as he will be on diplomatic cover. if he is not then he need to face the law of the land.
Yes, then Pakistan will retaliate in a similar fashion and expel a diplomat from Indian mission in Islamabad and this is expected.

 

[MM_Haider]

Do u stay in Kashmir ?
R u a muslim staying in India ??
U cant come on consensus based on the media in Pakistan .

your other two questions are not worth replying. For your third observation see below and if you are man of words delete/ edit your post as, sadly, srinagar is not part of Pakistan as YET.

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