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Indian Army Against Deal With Pakistan On Kashmir Glacier

in case of india its weired cuz its u guys who claim that Indian army has no role in politics it clearly exposed the myth

The IA indeed has no role in politics. It has merely given its opinion that there shud be no withdrawal without demarcation.Any responsible govt in the world takes the army's opinion on issues of national defence. Its upto the govt to decide now as to what to do. The army wiill withdraw, if it is told to, or it will stay put without any grumbling or mumbling. The IA has no role whatsoever in politics Jana.You shud know this.
 
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Well the Indian government bowing to the pressuer of Indian Army also diminshed the myth that Indian army dosnt medlle of affect the government's decisions.:)


Anyway if they want to continue with the dispute on siachin it cost them more than us in terms of logistics.


One has to understand what a democracy is and how it works, to comment about.
For those people who have been under the mercy of a Army all their life;well i know its beyond their level of understanding.
 
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The IA indeed has no role in politics. It has merely given its opinion that there shud be no withdrawal without demarcation.Any responsible govt in the world takes the army's opinion on issues of national defence. Its upto the govt to decide now as to what to do. The army wiill withdraw, if it is told to, or it will stay put without any grumbling or mumbling. The IA has no role whatsoever in politics Jana.You shud know this.
Not entirely true.
Remember the Agra summit when Vajpaee and Musharraf agreed to give a joint statement? It was approved by both leaders but revised thrice.
Vajpaee clearly didn't call the shots somebody else did; IA!
 
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Not entirely true.
Remember the Agra summit when Vajpaee and Musharraf agreed to give a joint statement? It was approved by both leaders but revised thrice.
Vajpaee clearly didn't call the shots somebody else did; IA!

Eureka!!! this was never reported,never ever!!!:banana2:
 
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Not entirely true.
Remember the Agra summit when Vajpaee and Musharraf agreed to give a joint statement? It was approved by both leaders but revised thrice.
Vajpaee clearly didn't call the shots somebody else did; IA!
Just because you guys believe Mushy's lies, we don't have to. ;)
 
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Just because you guys believe Mushy's lies, we don't have to. ;)
So you're denying that the joint statement was revised thrice? :disagree:
Thats funny coz your side usually claims that its us living in denial. ;)
 
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So you're denying that the joint statement was revised thrice? :disagree:
Thats funny coz your side usually claims that its us living in denial. ;)
I'm not buying the ridiculous lies what Musharraf has produced - higher ups, mega powers, evil conspiracy.

You guys are used to having Mushy insult your intelligence, I won't want to fall into that category.
 
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I'm not buying the ridiculous lies what Musharraf has produced - higher ups, mega powers, evil conspiracy.
Explain why the media wasn't allowed to talk to either Vajpaee or Musharraf once the statement was disapproved by Delhi.
India is the largest democracy right? :rolleyes:
You guys are used to having Mushy insult your intelligence, I won't want to fall into that category.
Fall into catagory of denial....all fine by me!
NEW DELHI, JULY 26. In seeking a deal on Kashmir at Agra, Pakistan counted on the ``moderate elements'' within the Indian leadership in the hope that the latter would eventually relent on the question of ``cross-border'' terrorism. While reconstructing the Agra summit, highly-placed sources in the Government pointed out that the Pakistani leadership, especially its President, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, and the Foreign Minister, Mr. Abdul Sattar, had decided right at the outset to maximise negotiations with the Prime Minister, Mr. Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the External Affairs Minister, Mr. Jaswant Singh.

Pakistan's strategy of engaging India at the political rather than the official level during negotiations became evident in the run up to the summit itself. For instance, the Pakistani side, on at least four occasions, rejected India's request to let the officials of the two sides talk and fine tune an agenda for the summit.

Pakistan's game plan became transparent when Gen. Musharraf, on the evening of July 15 at Agra, sought to unsuccessfully convince Mr. Vajpayee, to get personally involved in drafting a possible joint statement.

The Pakistani draft, therefore, reached the official delegations after Mr. Vajpayee declined to work on it. The text, once it reached the Indian officials, was outrightly rejected even as a starting point for talks. Instead, the Indian side put across its own draft for talks, on which the two delegations burnt the midnight oil. From the Indian side, negotiations for a ``joint statement'' were mainly conducted by the Foreign Secretary, Ms. Chokila Iyer, the Joint Secretary of the Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan (IPA) desk, Mr. Vivek Katju, the Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan, Mr. Vijay Nambiar, and the Joint Secretary designate to the IPA, Mr. Arun Kumar Singh. No breakthrough was in sight till nearly 4 a.m. on July 16. The status of Jammu and Kashmir remained the bone of contention.

The meeting between Mr. Vajpayee and Gen. Musharraf began on July 16 on a sombre note. The Prime Minister, by then had already met his Cabinet colleagues to consider the efforts of the officials who had worked at night. President Musharraf had also met editors of leading publications - a meeting which had been telecast, much to the resentment of the Prime Minister. Both leaders found it difficult to reconcile their positions on Kashmir.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/07/27/stories/05271349.htm
 
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Explain why the media wasn't allowed to talk to either Vajpaee or Musharraf once the statement was disapproved by Delhi.
Because the higher ups using their telepathic super powers mindwashed everyone. Only brave musharraf could see past it, and thus he saved the day for Pakistan.

There ya go, right out of a cartoon.
 
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You should consider a career in politics, carefully avoided my question. :lol:
 
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You guys think there are two India's. And whenever your leaders fail in diplomacy, they blame the second India that shoots down their proposals. And you people buy the bullsh!t.

Musharraf's theory was denied by Vajpayee himself. Oh but Oh brave and strong Musharraf must be telling the truth. Let's just look at his track record shall we:
1. Dragged the country into a war without telling his bosses about it
2. Refused to take back dead bodies after war
3. U-turn in policy after 9/11 (my my such integrity!)

Remember the "if you can shout, I can shout louder!" what a lovely leader he indeed is. I will believe his words always!

/sarcasm
 
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You should consider a career in politics, carefully avoided my question. :lol:
Agra, Siachen, Kargil etc etc. Pakistani diplomacy fails horribly and your leaders save face by blaming evil hindoo elements in India. You wise folks believe it.

Good for you. As long as you won't hold your leadership accountable for their actions, you'll get such jacks. I, otoh, could care less.
 
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mate, get this straight--the IA CANNOT i repeat CANNOT make ANY decisions on its own.It is subservient to the government of the day.

The IA CANNOT make the govt back down or change anything if the govt has decided on something.It can ONLY present arguments and give its reasons, nothing more, nothing less.

If Vajpayee wanted to settle the talks then and there, then nothing but the cabinet ministers could have dissuaded him.the IA cannot over rule the govt. Why is this so hard for you to accept? things are not in India, the way they are in Pakistan.

The thought that the Army would do anything more than what its meant to do will send shivers down the country. It is not supreme, it comes after the govt in everything. It cannot ake over this country, cannot over rule the govt, it has to obey any order. This is how its been for the last 50 years.This is how it will always be. The integrity of the army is unquestionable.
 
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Well everyone knows specially the Indian media and other segments accpeted that Musharraf was having good hold in Agara, and the joint declaration was postponed at the eleventh hour due to pressure by fundamentalists elements in Indian government and politcs.

During a media breifing in india when indian journalist asked a querry from Musharraf abt the Agara declaration he clearly replied that question u must ask from indian leadership why they had posponed the issuance of joint declration.
 
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Well everyone knows specially the Indian media and other segments accpeted that Musharraf was having good hold in Agara, and the joint declaration was postponed at the eleventh hour due to pressure by fundamentalists elements in Indian government and politcs.

During a media breifing in india when indian journalist asked a querry from Musharraf abt the Agara declaration he clearly replied that question u must ask from indian leadership why they had posponed the issuance of joint declration.

So you mean the again Mushi bent over....by agreeing to all the Indian demands to agree for 3 modifications demanded by India??? :lol:
 
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