Indian Army admits carrying out covert ops in Pakistan.

[Spring Onion]

There is a difference between spying and terrorism

But than you Congress for that, now you have armed Pakistanis with one more excuse

covert operation or Indian terrorism??

rogue elements?
madam ji,covert ops are done by every major country of the world,that is involved in a rivalry.
and there is a thin line seperating terrorism and covert ops..
but there is a line after all

Indeed they do so with knowledge of their govt and the spy agencies do so BUT here Indian Army without knowledge of the Indian govt acted . Perfectly an Indian Army chief going rogue spoiling your tall claims of Indian Army under civilian control.

meowwww

 

[Ayush]

Indeed they do so with knowledge of their govt and the spy agencies do so BUT here Indian Army without knowledge of the Indian govt acted . Perfectly an Indian Army chief going rogue spoiling your tall claims of Indian Army under civilian control.

are,thoda bahut to chalta hai

meowwww

 

[Roybot]

Why would I want to confuse others? I have no political leanings whatsoever. The crux of the matter is simple: These allegations are being made by the Indian Army.. Not the Congress party, not the CBI but the Indian Army. You BJPwallas are deliberately trying to assign blame on Congress by raising canards on the timing, national security etc.

The report was submitted by the Army in March 2013, the news got leaked(read deliberately by the Congress) to the media in September, 5 days after Rewari rally. Gen VK Singh has done nothing wrong, had he done anything wrong the report would have never leaked.

 

[Dillinger]

@cyphercide

Lets get a few things clear-

1) No we, at least I, are not angry that a report was generated by the army.

2) We are angry that the current government leaked that report.

3) This was a report compiled by a Body of Officers under the DGMO (director general military operations), it is not only classified but protected under the Official secrets act. Either the journalists broke into the MOD's file cache itself or the MOD leaked it.

4) The report states allegations, this very report cannot be used as a statement assigning culpability- under military rules and regulations such a report doesn't hold legal weight and the officers who have compiled it can and will most probably rescind their statements down the line if someone tries to use it to make anything sick. As such leaking this report and then having a PMO official issue a statement at the same time stating that none of what has been stated in the report itself can be used as evidence or proof or even investigated further as such shows exactly what the move is and what is its intended effect.

The central problem is being ignored by many people here, either due to a lack of comprehension or deliberately- some are saying that fingers should not be pointed at the current government because the report was not compiled by the government- as illustrated above that is not the issue at hand at all.

The fact that this is getting so difficult to comprehend for people should be a worrisome development- @Bang Galore, @notsuperstitious

 

[Indian Tiger]

M@ther fuk!ng congressis will even sell their M@thers ,daughters and wife to come in to power, B@st@rds.

 

[Tambram]

@cyphercide

ew Delhi, Sept. 20 (ANI): Defense analyst Captain (Retired.) Bharat Verma on Friday warned that politicising the enquiry ordered against former army chief General V.K. Singh would damage and destroy the morale of the armed forces, and compromise national security.

"If we are going to be such a small nation and going to fall down to such low standards of politicising issues like this, which concern the security of the nation, I am afraid it will totally deter the military from protecting this country for times to come," Verma said.

"I hope the Government understands this-that the politicisation of such issues of top secret military operations is not the kind of issue that should be politicised, because it can destroy the well being of the armed forces," he added.

All military intelligence operations are top secret operations. They use secret funds. There is no intelligence operation where you will be told how much fund was used for anything. If you start compromising military intelligence operations or intelligence bureau operations, then there will be a direct threat to the security of India.

In India there is already a huge internal turmoil going on. It is the military, which is keeping it physically together today. If there is a rivalry between two Generals, it is most unfortunate. Second thing is that this equipment that was bought, was bought by defence intelligence agencies and not by military intelligence.

The defence intelligence agencies are totally away from army headquarter, defence headquarter and naval headquarter. ...There is no proof that any chief was using to monitor anything in Delhi. I strongly believe that this an apolitical Indian Army, which continues to be apolitical except that there may be rivalries between Generals for various reasons which is most unfortunate.

Verma used the opportunity to criticise Defence Minister A.K. Antony, saying he should have acted with more maturity, as the 'top secret' operation dealt with the security of the country.

"Mr. Antony should be mature enough to not allow this to be blown out of proportions, because if he does that, nothing will be proved. The only thing will be that the security of the nation will be compromised because these are top-secret operations," Verma said.

Earlier, former army chief General (Rtd.) V.K. Singh shared the stage at a rally in Rewari, Haryana, with Gujarat Chief Minister and NDA's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi.

According to media reports, the "top secret" report was submitted on March 11 this year and army chief General Bikram Singh met Defence Minister A.K. Antony to brief him on the implications of the report.

Media reports has claimed that General V. K. Singh set up a special unit in the army which tried to topple the Jammu and Kashmir Government.

The report claims that a secret Board of Officers inquiry has recommended that the CBI look into the matter.

Media report also claims that the unit set up by General V K Singh called the Technical Services Division (TSD), a part of Military Intelligence, tried to block General Bikram Singh's promotion.

The reports said that the recommendation has been examined by the Prime Minister's Office and the Ministry of Defence.

The report was prepared by Director General Military Operations Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia as part of a Board of Officers (BOO) formed by Gen. Bikram Singh to review the functioning of the top secret unit set up under his predecessor. (ANI)

Politicisation of V.K. Singh enquiry will 'destroy' morale of armed forces: Bharat Verma , AniNews.in

 

[Assault Rifle]

Very unprofessional of VK Singh of using MI unit to further his personal agenda.

 

[Ayush]

i wonder what @Guynextdoor2 has to say about this

 

[notsuperstitious]

@cyphercide

Lets get a few things clear-

1) No we, at least I, are not angry that a report was generated by the army.

2) We are angry that the current government leaked that report.

3) This was a report compiled by a Body of Officers under the DGMO (director general military operations), it is not only classified but protected under the Official secrets act. Either the journalists broke into the MOD's file cache itself or the MOD leaked it.

4) The report states allegations, this very report cannot be used as a statement assigning culpability- under military rules and regulations such a report doesn't hold legal weight and the officers who have compiled it can and will most probably rescind their statements down the line if someone tries to use it to make anything sick. As such leaking this report and then having a PMO official issue a statement at the same time stating that none of what has been stated in the report itself can be used as evidence or proof or even investigated further as such shows exactly what the move is and what is its intended effect.

The central problem is being ignored by many people here, either due to a lack of comprehension or deliberately- some are saying that fingers should not be pointed at the current government because the report was not compiled by the government- as illustrated above that is not the issue at hand at all.

The fact that this is getting so difficult to comprehend for people should be a worrisome development- @Bang Galore, @notsuperstitious

I wrote y'day in a thread that predicts BJP victory in 4 out of 5 state elections that I'm fcuk scared of what congress will do if they start panicking. We have seen how they sell their mother and father and trash national interest for power, for example the Kashmir rigged elections, the bhindranwale rise, the assam fcuk up, Rahul briefing American envoy on hindu terrorism etc etc.

Congress can be as anti-national as any proscribed terrorist organization, all they need is fear of losing their ancestral jaagir - India.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Gen VK Singh spent all that money following Hafiz Sayed ????? Hello he didn't kill the kutha, he just followed him around. Perhaps Gen VK Singh fancied Hafiz Sayed's wife and was stalking her with state money

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I think INC is the greatest threat to Indian national security now. Not China/Pakistan/Maoist/Etc

 

[Assault Rifle]

I wrote y'day in a thread that predicts BJP victory in 4 out of 5 state elections that I'm fcuk scared of what congress will do if they start panicking. We have seen how they sell their mother and father and trash national interest for power, for example the Kashmir rigged elections, the bhindranwale rise, the assam fcuk up, Rahul briefing American envoy on hindu terrorism etc etc.

Congress can be as anti-national as any proscribed terrorist organization, all they need is fear of losing their ancestral jaagir - India.

THE biggest traitor is BJP & Vajpayee.They even wanted peace deals with terrorists in J&K:

Friday, 28 July, 2000, 21:02 GMT 22:02 UK
India appeals to militants

Mr Vajpayee chaired the government meeting
The Indian Government has appealed to a pro-separatist militant group in Indian-administered Kashmir to join peace talks, following the group's decision to declare a unilateral ceasefire.
The group, the Hizbul Mujahideen, has announced a three-month ceasefire.

But the group's leader, Syed Salahuddin, said the ceasefire could be called off in a few days if there was no positive response from the government.

The BBC Correspondent in Delhi said the government invitation could be a potential breakthrough in the long-running Kashmir crisis.
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Hizbul is just one of the the militant groups
The government's statement was released late on Friday evening, after a high-level meeting chaired by Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee.

It said the government had deliberated over the offer of peace talks made by the Hizbul Mujahideen, and had welcomed the temporary ceasefire announced by the group's leadership on Monday.

The restoration of peace in Kashmir could only be achieved through dialogue, it said, and the government would now like the leaders of Hizbul to come into the open and contact the union home secretary to work out a formula for peace talks.

It also invited all other militant groups to come forward to work towards restoring peace, though some of those groups have criticised Hizbul for its ceasefire offer.

The umbrella group for Kashmiri militant groups based in Pakistan - the United Jihad Council - has suspended Hizbul's membership, while Pakistan's main religious Jamaat-e-Islami party has severed its association with the group.

Army ceasefire?

Our correspondent says the government seems to be endorsing Hizbul's ceasefire. Previously, the government has set down pre-conditions when it has spoken about the importance of establishing dialogue.

One such pre-condition was that talks could only take place under the framework of the Indian constitution, which describes the state of Jammu-Kashmir as Indian territory.

In contrast, this latest statement does not set out any pre-conditions for dialogue.

There had been hints of progress earlier on Friday, when a senior commander in the Indian army in Srinagar told reporters the army was suspending offensive action against militant groups - reports which military leaders in Delhi subsequently denied.

The commander, Major-General Basant Singh, said any decision about a formal ceasefire on the part of the military was up to the government.

In the meantime he said the troops would remain on alert to meet any militant challenge.

BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | India appeals to militants

Eunuch Vajpayee even stopped Army from ops against Hizbul:

Government response generates debate
From M.L. Kak
Tribune News Service

JAMMU, July 27 — What has been the Government response to the ceasefire declared by the Hizbul Mujahideen? What would be the Government’s response to it in the near future?

These two questions are being discussed not only in mainstream political organisations but also among the separatist camps. The first to respond to the ceasefire announcement has been the police and the Army. Both of these forces have announced that operations against the activists of Hizbul Mujahideen have been suspended. Since the police has complete details about the activists and supporters of the Hizbul Mujahideen security forces have been asked not to engage them in encounters or arresting them unless they create any law and order problem.

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Jammu & Kashmir

 

[Bilal.]

Nice.. Yet another Pakistani who agrees that international terrorists are Pakistani operatives. Prime example of wild animals in the backyard syndrome. Think of you operatives next time you read/hear about a bomb taking out dozens of Pakistani civilians or an IED killing a high ranking Pakistani Army officer...You wont have to wait much longer..

Oh please, spare me of the holier than thou BS, everyone uses whatever means required to forward their interests. You used to support mukti bahini, US is using proxies in Syria, it's real politik, so don't lecture me. All the mess we seem to be in is a willing price our establishment is paying to regain control of Afghanistan. Else a swat like operation would have long been done in waziristan. As I said soon your dear bjp will go back to the game of handing over our operatives in VIP flights escorted by ministers

 

[notsuperstitious]

THE biggest traitor is BJP & Vajpayee.They even wanted peace deals with terrorists in J&K:




Eunuch Vajpayee even stopped Army from ops against Hizbul:

Policy decisions can be and should be questioned and debated. However those were not for power grab, unlike the mess congress created by rigging elections in Kashmir, by projecting bhindranwale for defeating akalis and tolerating illegals in assam for VOTES was all pure short term power grab that cost india hundreds of thousands of lives and innumerable damage in resources.

Congress is in panic and i'm scared what they will do next.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Policy decisions can be and should be questioned and debated. However those were not for power grab, unlike the mess congress created by rigging elections in Kashmir, by projecting bhindranwale for defeating akalis and tolerating illegals in assam for VOTES was all pure short term power grab that cost india hundreds of thousands of lives and innumerable damage in resources.

Congress is in panic and i'm scared what they will do next.

BJP planning to stir up communal trouble in Srinagar between Muslims and the trees.
So let's sit with Pakistan and give Gujarat to them!