Indian Air Force grounds 100 MiG-27 jets

[jha]

when are we sending these to israel for upgradation.....

 

[saurabh]

Twist in the plot. I've always said the Indian supremacy in the AF field is a little exaggerated.

God knows when the MMRCA deal would be finalized, god knows what the Indians would get, and god knows at what stage would our JF-17 and J-10 squads would be at by the time Indians even near delivery or production of these new birds.

Indians are indecisive and Pakistanis move ahead with clear objectives. Pak-FA is a good 10 years away from joining the Russian air force and with the IAF running on Indian standard time, it will probably take much longer for the birds landing in India, perhaps more Indian planes would fail along the way - we have a few things going in our favor which wouldn't let India get away with total superiority.

Surprise for you..
Mig-27 are ground attack, and not air superiority fighter...
Meanwhile, India still has mirage and jaguar as ground attack.

And it will not take ten or even five years for mmrca to start induction, even going by "IST"...
BTW, you know about it, don't you..

 

[sherdil76]

Who Says They're Grounded!? IAF Floggers Revving For Vayu Shakti 2010

Get

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Final Check

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Go Go Go...

Ya they are grounded for mount arms & fuels and for checkings

LOL... we just got the reason why Floggers are crashing, IAF grounded them for checking, arming and fuel, but some idiots inspected the Fishbed (Mig21) instead (see the first pic), thats why when Indian topguns fly them they just turn their nose to ground

 

[BATMAN]

Now the Russina perspective on crash reasons:

Two crashes of MiGs cause full stop of flights in India

More than 150 MiGs of IAF combat fleet have to be grounded until the reasons of the MiG-27 crash on 16 February and Mig-21 on 20 February are known. A MiG-27 fighter went down near Siliguri in West Bengal on Tuesday afternoon, killing the pilot, a squadron leader.

Ageing MiG variants, which constitute the bulk of India’s combat fleet, shoddy maintenance and inadequate training to rookie pilots, have contributed to the high crash rate in IAF. From 1971-72 to 2003-04, IAF's consolidated average rate stood at 1.09 accidents per 10,000 hours of flying, roughly translating into the loss of 23 aircraft and the death of 10-14 pilots every year.

The Mikoyan MiG-27 is a ground-attack aircraft, originally built by the Mikoyan design bureau in the Soviet Union and later license-produced in India by Hindustan Aeronautics as the Bahadur ("Valiant").

 

[saurabh]

Now the Russina perspective on crash reasons:

Surprisingly,

shoddy maintenance and inadequate training to rookie pilots

do not apply on mirages and jaguars and mkis as much as they are applicable on migs.

Mki is also

license-produced in India

 

[BATMAN]

Who Says They're Grounded!? IAF Floggers Revving For Vayu Shakti 2010
Ya they are grounded for mount arms & fuels and for checkings

you reffering to past, where as present situation is different.
mig 27 are grounded until investigations of technical reasons and remidies taken on entire fleet.
It may take months before whole fleet declared airworth.
until than holidays for the pilots, lucky dudes.

 

[Ingis]

Now the Russina perspective on crash reasons:

Really? How about a credible Russian media outlet?

India grounds MiG-27 fleet for investigation after crash

The Indian Air Force has grounded its entire fleet of Russian-made MiG-27 aircraft for checks after a fatal crash in eastern India killed an ace pilot last week, Indian media reported on Wednesday.
Indian officials cite an engine problem as the most likely reason for the accident that occurred on February 16 near Siliguri in the eastern Indian state of West Bengal.

The IAF has grounded the entire fleet of over 150 MiG-27 ground attack fighters for technical inspection.

Last year, the aircraft completed an indigenous upgrade program executed by a state-owned military organization.
"The MiG-27 aircraft are not flying till the checks ordered on the fleet are completed," a senior IAF officer told India's Daily News & Analysis.
India lost two MiG-27 jets last year, and a total of about 12 since 2001, due to crashes attributed largely to defects in the aircraft's engines.

Accidents involving Soviet-designed MiG-27 fighter jets, known as the Bahadhur (Brave) in the IAF, which were produced in India under license and have been used for several decades by the Indian Air Force, are frequent in the country. However, work carried out by Russian specialists since 2003 to improve the planes' reliability has significantly reduced the accident rate.

NEW DEHLI, February 24 (RIA Novosti)

India grounds MiG-27 fleet for investigation after crash | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire

 

[BATMAN]

^^ what ever serves you better

Surprisingly, do not apply on mirages and jaguars and mkis as much as they are applicable on migs.

Mki is also

Don't compare maruti with corolla.

It is not so simple as you put... it is clearly stated that russian aircrafts are misused by untrained pilots...where as mirages have trained pilots... same could be applied to the maintainence staff.
In any case those were assembeled by HAL and production quality could be one reason out of several other.

 

[saurabh]

Don't compare maruti with corolla.

It is not so simple as you put... it is clearly stated that russian aircrafts are misused by untrained pilots...where as mirages have trained pilots... same could be applied to the maintainence staff.
In any case those were assembeled by HAL and production quality could be one reason out of several other.

As I said, mki too is being built by HAL.
Production quality is something we can just speculate about. In any case, production quality is hard to discuss.
AFAIK only mig-21 were given to rookies, in past. I dont know the current situation, but rest of the Russian fleet is handled by trained pilots. Maintenance staff is again hard to discuss, but everyone knows the reliability of Russian engines on old migs (New ones are said to be better.)

 

[Tiger Awan]

In any case, production quality is hard to discuss.

I do not know about the quality of production but once I read in Jane's that Su-30 MKI was built at double price at HAL than its export price.

 

[saurabh]

I do not know about the quality of production but once I read in Jane's that Su-30 MKI was built at double price at HAL than its export price.

What I know is that HAL produced ones were roughly 40% cheaper than the imported ones. May be the addition of avionics etc later on increased the price.
Off topic anyway.

 

[Dark Angel]

Come on guys check some local news before coming into conclusions.


when a plane is decided as the winner of mmrca for say its a typhoon , we all will call it typhoon and we will call PAK_FA as PAKFA



what a stupid remark...

i dont think u understood the so called stupid remark, U have a name for every accident in IAF what will u nickname a EF DEATHPROOF maybe

 

[Trichy]

you reffering to past, where as present situation is different.
mig 27 are grounded until investigations of technical reasons and remidies taken on entire fleet.
It may take months before whole fleet declared airworth.
until than holidays for the pilots, lucky dudes.

LOL... we just got the reason why Floggers are crashing, IAF grounded them for checking, arming and fuel, but some idiots inspected the Fishbed (Mig21) instead (see the first pic), thats why when Indian topguns fly them they just turn their nose to ground

Ya i posted a wrong Images


Who Says They're Grounded!? IAF Floggers Revving For Vayu Shakti

IAF Warriors Work Up For Vayu Shakti

 

[DMLA]

IAF chief has stated in a recent media interaction that the mig-27 incident was due to failure in compressor blades of the the LP stage in the engine!

 

[navtrek]

IAF grounds MiG-27 fleet for checks

Feb 23: Last week's MiG accident in West Bengal has reportedly prompted the Indian Airforce (IAF) to ground a fleet of over 100 MiG-27s.
As per various media reports, a engine snag is suspected behind the accident and the IAF has grounded the fleet in order to carry out checks.The fleet will be allowed to fly again only after the checks have been completed.

IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal PV Naik said that the latest Feb 16 MiG-27 crash is suspected to have been caused by failure of the low-pressure turbine blades.

Since Jan 2001, India has lost about 12 Russian-made MiG-27 fighter planes. The R-29 engines of the aircraft is seen as the main reason behind the ever increasing number of accidents.

IAF Grounds MIG-27 | Indian Airforce | Accidents | Checks | Engine Faults | Turbine Blades - Oneindia News