India wants to build armament factories in Vietnam

[Hamza913]

Huge difference when you consider Vietnam is actually capable of affording advanced weapons.

If that's true they certainly won't be buying from you that's for sure.

 

[randomradio]

If that's true they certainly won't be buying from you that's for sure.

India will be one of the principle suppliers to Vietnam in the near future.

They are likely to be the first Brahmos and Akash customers. There's the big stuff in the future too, like LCA and LCH.

They are basically interested in pretty much all our indigenous weapons. Our proximity makes us more reliable than Russia and we are obviously supporting them with the SCS issue.

 

[S10]

Vietnam is like the little dumb kid that puffs up his chest thinking he's a tough man. It'll learn its lesson eventually.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Oh, good fantasies. But the reality is...

Indian Army ammunition won’t even last 10 days in event of a war, suggests CAG reports

Indian Amry's plan to stock up 50% ammunition by March 2015 remained far from realization with just 10% in stock.

If India were to go to war now, 90 per cent of its available ammunition would not last even for 10 days, inferred the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) in a report tabled in Parliament on Friday. It said the ammunition roadmap drawn by the Army in 2012 for building up the stock to 50 per cent by March 2015 and 100 per cent by 2019 has remained far from realisation.

Coming down heavily on the Defence Ministry, the Army, ordnance factories and quality assurance agencies, the report highlighted that while the Army blamed the Ordnance Factories Board (OFB) for delays and slippage, the OFB asked for lesser money from the government than what was required to meet the Army’s projections. Seventeen of the import projects initiated in 2013 have not been concluded so far, the national auditor said.

As reported earlier, the Army had told a Parliamentary panel that the mountain strike corps was being raised by using ammunition from War Wastage Reserve (WWR).

According to the report, however, only 10 per cent of the ammunition is available to meet a 40-day WWR.

Further, 84 per cent of the high caliber ammunition of the country was “critical” — meaning of quantity that could last for just about 10 days.

The report has blamed the shortage on the inability of the Ordnance Factories Board to meet the demand of the Army as well as the delays in imports. It has highlighted that the minimum acceptable risk level (MARL) — which benchmarks a minimum availability of ammunition for 20 days and was set by the Army HQ in 1999 after the Kargil war — has not been achieved even 15 years later.

For the reviewed period of 2009-2013, the types of critical ammunition increased from 15 per cent in March 2009 to 50 per cent in March 2013.

The comprehensive report that examined 69 types of ammunition, the inability of the ordnance factories to meet the projected requirements by the Army was one of the reasons for the depleting ammunition ratios.

For instance, the OFB has been consistently meeting only between 63-72 per cent of the Army’s annual projected ammunition requirements.

The report has blamed the OFB for projecting lesser budgetary requirement from the government than what was needed to meet the targets given by the Army. It also said that close to Rs 94 crore worth of ammunition/components manufactured by the ordnance factories were rejected by the quality testing agencies, thus adding to the shortage.

According to the report, nine cases initiated to procure the ammunition from import/trade were delayed due to single vendor situation, complexities in transfer of technology, finalisation of requirements by the Army HQ and delays in receiving bids.

Interestingly, ammunition worth Rs 3,578 crore was lying in segregated condition even as ammunition worth Rs 2,109 crore was awaiting repairs.


http://indianexpress.com/article/in...-plan-to-fill-ammo-stock-yet-to-take-off-cag/


Well, but I'm shocked. Can India also make missiles? ?

what wrong ?? India will transfer tech to VN and manufacture weapon in VN, not in India. SO, the shortage of Indian Army ammunition have nothing to do wt armament-factories-in-vietnam

Have to admit that this is a good strategy...

Unfortunately, India lacks this power. Its defense industry is weak like infants. I don't know why Vietnam thinks India can help it.

CN will be sandwiched bween Soviet-sub Mekong plus India. Thats will be even worse than in 1979 when CN only was sandwiched bween Soviet- Indochina (VN-Laos-Camb) and CN still got daddy JP-US's support in 1979.

This is not gonna working. Many rising developibg countries want to bought armaments with inhouse production and ToT scheme. If production and transfer technology only benefiting Vietnam what else the reason country like Malaysia or Indonesia to bought Indian weapons? Take Indonesia Turkey scheme about Medium Tank project or Malaysia Turkey FNSS PARS 8X8 project. We are ready to pay premium as long as it will be benefiting us in long terms

Malaysia is TPP nations and will buy anything wt 40 % localization from VN. Stronger Malaysia-Sing army benefit for TPP bloc

TPP market is big enough for VN-India weapons.

 

[rott]

I am sure that is that is what is fed to the simple Chinese people by their Communist propaganda machine and they lap it up like they buy most of the drivel spewed by the country's leadership. In the democratic, civilized world China is generally thought of as nothing more than a laughing stock.

Check out this high IQ comment from a Bha-rat.

@Offshore @ZeEa5KPul @Beast @Kai Liu
This is so retarded.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I am sure that is that is what is fed to the simple Chinese people by their Communist propaganda machine and they lap it up like they buy most of the drivel spewed by the country's leadership. In the democratic, civilized world China is generally thought of as nothing more than a laughing stock.

Correct, thats why I put 99% Cnese here in ignore list. waste time wt those low IQ Cnese . Love to see them in chaos in REAL LIFE in 2023 as predicted

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Indian army officers stand on vehicles displaying missiles during a national parade. Photo by Reuters


Weapons would be exported to third-party nations, said India’s Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman.

India wants to build armament factories in Vietnam to export to third countries, a military industry meeting heard Wednesday.

The meeting was a part of a series of events organized on the occasion of Indian defense minister Nirmala Sitharaman’s visit to Vietnam.

Meeting with top Vietnamese leaders during her four-day visit that ends Friday, she said India-Vietnam military cooperation doesn’t stop at buying and transferring military technologies.

India looks to set up armament factories in Vietnam for export to third-party countries, she said. She also hoped that Vietnam would become a prime destination for Indian businesses, especially in defense and military sectors.

India's Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman speaks at a meeting in Hanoi on Wednesday. Photo by VnExpress/Vu Anh

Major General Ho Quang Tuan, Vice Chairman of the General Department of Defense Industry from Vietnam’s Ministry of Defense, stressed that military cooperation was a cornerstone in the strategic partnership between Vietnam and India.

He also said the two countries were having "open, direct" dialogue regarding military technologies and weaponries.

Vietnam is strengthening its military cooperation with India as part of its “peaceful” defense policy, foreign ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang had said at a press briefing last year.

She was responding to an inquiry about India's offers to sell a batch of short-range ramjet supersonic cruise missiles, BrahMos, to Vietnam.

Hang said the procurement of defense equipment "was consistent with the policy of peace and self-defense and “normal practice.”

"The bilateral security and defense ties have been making practical contributions to peace, stability, cooperation and development in the region and the world at large," she said.

India has already supplied patrol vessels to Vietnam and has been providing military training. The BrahMos missiles deal, once finalized, would be the first arms trade deal between the two countries.

https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/i...nt-factories-in-vietnam-minister-3763592.html

my first reaction:

As usual, talk before doing again.

They have an abysmal MIC, cant even talk care of themselves at home- yet wanna talk about exporting weapons.

hahahaha thanks.

 

[Tom M]

Oh, good fantasies. But the reality is...

Indian Army ammunition won’t even last 10 days in event of a war, suggests CAG reports

Indian Amry's plan to stock up 50% ammunition by March 2015 remained far from realization with just 10% in stock.

If India were to go to war now, 90 per cent of its available ammunition would not last even for 10 days, inferred the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) in a report tabled in Parliament on Friday. It said the ammunition roadmap drawn by the Army in 2012 for building up the stock to 50 per cent by March 2015 and 100 per cent by 2019 has remained far from realisation.

Coming down heavily on the Defence Ministry, the Army, ordnance factories and quality assurance agencies, the report highlighted that while the Army blamed the Ordnance Factories Board (OFB) for delays and slippage, the OFB asked for lesser money from the government than what was required to meet the Army’s projections. Seventeen of the import projects initiated in 2013 have not been concluded so far, the national auditor said.

As reported earlier, the Army had told a Parliamentary panel that the mountain strike corps was being raised by using ammunition from War Wastage Reserve (WWR).

According to the report, however, only 10 per cent of the ammunition is available to meet a 40-day WWR.

Further, 84 per cent of the high caliber ammunition of the country was “critical” — meaning of quantity that could last for just about 10 days.

The report has blamed the shortage on the inability of the Ordnance Factories Board to meet the demand of the Army as well as the delays in imports. It has highlighted that the minimum acceptable risk level (MARL) — which benchmarks a minimum availability of ammunition for 20 days and was set by the Army HQ in 1999 after the Kargil war — has not been achieved even 15 years later.

For the reviewed period of 2009-2013, the types of critical ammunition increased from 15 per cent in March 2009 to 50 per cent in March 2013.

The comprehensive report that examined 69 types of ammunition, the inability of the ordnance factories to meet the projected requirements by the Army was one of the reasons for the depleting ammunition ratios.

For instance, the OFB has been consistently meeting only between 63-72 per cent of the Army’s annual projected ammunition requirements.

The report has blamed the OFB for projecting lesser budgetary requirement from the government than what was needed to meet the targets given by the Army. It also said that close to Rs 94 crore worth of ammunition/components manufactured by the ordnance factories were rejected by the quality testing agencies, thus adding to the shortage.

According to the report, nine cases initiated to procure the ammunition from import/trade were delayed due to single vendor situation, complexities in transfer of technology, finalisation of requirements by the Army HQ and delays in receiving bids.

Interestingly, ammunition worth Rs 3,578 crore was lying in segregated condition even as ammunition worth Rs 2,109 crore was awaiting repairs.


http://indianexpress.com/article/in...-plan-to-fill-ammo-stock-yet-to-take-off-cag/


Well, but I'm shocked. Can India also make missiles? ?

Well these are news given out by the GOI and defense establishment right ??? I would suggest you better read and try to understand Sun Tzu.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

what wrong ?? India will transfer tech to VN and manufacture weapon in VN, not in India. SO, the shortage of Indian Army ammunition have nothing to do wt armament-factories-in-vietnam


CN will be sandwiched bween Soviet-sub Mekong plus India. Thats will be even worse than in 1979 when CN only was sandwiched bween Soviet- Indochina (VN-Laos-Camb) and CN still got daddy JP-US's support in 1979.


Malaysia is TPP nations and will buy anything wt 40 % localization from VN. Stronger Malaysia-Sing army benefit for TPP bloc

TPP market is big enough for VN-India weapons.

LOl... What a lovely Indian and Vietnamese. Oh, I'm sorry. The garbage is together with the garbage.

One is a backward agricultural country, one is trying to import advanced weapons from the backward agricultural countries. hahahhhhhhhhhh

And then dream that they can encircle China. But look around you first. Who is not an alliance of China?

Correct, thats why I put 99% Cnese here in ignore list. waste time wt those low IQ Cnese . Love to see them in chaos in REAL LIFE in 2023 as predicted

Well, that's why I like watching your performance. You are trying to make your country look strong. But you know it, too. You are too weak.

Well these are news given out by the GOI and defense establishment right ??? I would suggest you better read and try to understand Sun Tzu.

Oh, so India can make weapons? The India army buys it? Try to understand how to "hide power". The premise is that you have this power.

 

[Tom M]

Oh, so India can make weapons? The India army buys it? Try to understand how to "hide power". The premise is that you have this power.

As long as you guys are convinced, we are more than happy for you. It's always in our better interest.

 

[Viva_Viet]

LOl... What a lovely Indian and Vietnamese. Oh, I'm sorry. The garbage is together with the garbage.

One is a backward agricultural country, one is trying to import advanced weapons from the backward agricultural countries. hahahhhhhhhhhh

And then dream that they can encircle China. But look around you first. Who is not an alliance of China?


Well, that's why I like watching your performance. You are trying to make your country look strong. But you know it, too. You are too weak.

Okay, just stop poking nose to VN-India relationship, we'r weak or not, thats not your concern

. We r happy to see your economic chaos in 2023 when hundred million angry jobless Cnese start uprising when CN economy fall under US's sanction and TPP

 

[SBUS-CXK]

As long as you guys are convinced, we are more than happy for you. It's always in our better interest.

Ha ha, it seems that even Indians believe that India can make LCA and Arjun tanks. Isn't it? Superpower 2012.

Okay, just stop poking nose to VN-India relationship, we'r weak or not, thats not your concern

. We r happy to see your economic chaos in 2023 when hundred million angry jobless Cnese start uprising when CN economy fall under US's sanction and TPP

? Oh, now Vietnam starts to make a timetable for us? But like this thread. Vietnam should first make a timetable for its own defense industry. You are weak.

 

[Jackdaws]

Check out this high IQ comment from a Bha-rat.

@Offshore @ZeEa5KPul @Beast @Kai Liu
This is so retarded.

Lol. Chinese talking about IQ. Hahahahahahahhahahahhahaha

 

[Tom M]

Ha ha, it seems that even Indians believe that India can make LCA and Arjun tanks. Isn't it? Superpower 2012.

What do you mean can make?? We are already making them. But if you can't see it it's not our problem.

Regarding the credibility of any military hardware, its real worth can only be proved in battlefield, nothing on paper makes something superior. This was the same thought about Soviet Union during WW-2, and look what happened, the beats like Tiger and Panther Tanks stood very little chance against a lightly armed medium but lethal T-34 tanks. It's only a simple example.

What I mean to say is that your are neither Germany of the 40's nor are we the Soviets. Non of us can sustain a conflict and a decisive victory over the other is all but a foolish daydream.

 

[Jackdaws]

Okay, just stop poking nose to VN-India relationship, we'r weak or not, thats not your concern

. We r happy to see your economic chaos in 2023 when hundred million angry jobless Cnese start uprising when CN economy fall under US's sanction and TPP

That is what would happen in a normal country. But Chinese people are too scared to stand up to authority in their country. Can you imagine any country in the 21st century which is fine a subversion of Constitution to virtually anoint a Dictator and the people cheer the decision? That's why China is a clown.