India Uses Terror Card To Counter Pakistan At UNGA

[SMC]

Had to do two facepalms in quick succession. Most people can understand why.

 

[Hutchroy]

^^^

You don't need face palm when you have this :

Britons training in Pakistan for UK terror attacks

At least 20 Britons are undergoing terrorist training in Pakistan to launch Mumbai-style shootings and suicide attacks in Britain, intelligence sources have told The Daily Telegraph.

The young Muslims, who all hold British passports, are said to have travelled into the lawless tribal areas of Pakistan to join training camps run by al-Qaeda and their associated militant groups.

They are being trained to use firearms as well as explosives so that they can launch random shooting sprees in the UK, Western intelligence sources said.

"We believe there are 15 to 20 Britons in the camps," said an intelligence source in Islamabad, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The disclosure comes after the CIA launched drone strikes on Pakistan training camps in North and South Waziristan in an attempt to disrupt an al-Qaeda plot to launch an attack targeting Britain, France and Germany.

The plans would have seen terrorists sent on to the streets, probably of the capital cities, to shoot random passersby before heading in to landmark buildings. Intelligence sources said that the attacks would have been coordinated for maximum impact and may have been aimed at financial institutions. However, the terror cells had not yet travelled to Europe and the targets were still unclear.

A missile from one US unmanned drone killed several Britons in a training camp in Pakistan, sources said, and the security services are now trying to trace their links back to the UK.

MI5 is thought to be uncomfortable that an ongoing operation has become public while they were still building up a picture of the terrorists' support network.

"This is an ongoing operation with a constantly changing dynamic," one security source said. "There are local, national and international links, including Pakistan."

Intelligence agencies in Britain and the US were in the early stages of establishing the full details of the plot but MI5 had traced it from Pakistan back to Britain, sources told The Daily Telegraph.

A US intelligence source said the threat was "credible, but not specific" and could have included other European countries such as Spain and Italy, or even the US.

Some of the intelligence is understood to have originated with the capture of a German national in Kabul, Afghanistan in July. Ahmed Sidiqi, 36, is said to have talked of training with explosives and weapons and of plans to launch attacks in Germany and Europe.

Sidiqi attended the Masjid Taiba mosque, formerly known as the Al-Quds mosque, in Hamburg, which was also attended by the leaders of the September 11 attacks.

German security sources said there were "increasing rumblings" about potential attacks and they were aware of intelligence pointing to al-Qaeda attacks in Europe and the United States.

James Clapper, US intelligence chief, said in a statement: "As we have repeatedly said, we know al Qaeda wants to attack Europe and the United States. We continue to work closely with our European allies on the threat from international terrorism, including al Qaeda."

The US has fired at least 21 missiles so far this month in Pakistan's tribal areas, the highest monthly total in the past six years.

On Saturday, Sheikh Fateh al-Masri, a senior al-Qaeda commander, was thought to have been killed in North Waziristan, according to unconfirmed reports.

Fateh, also known as Abdul Razzaq, is said to have taken over operational command of al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan and is thought to have been in command of the European plot.

"It shouldn't surprise anyone that links between plots and those who are orchestrating them lead to decisive American action," a US official said. "The terrorists who are involved are, as everyone should expect, going to be targets. That's the whole point of all of this."

The 10 Pakistani terrorists who attacked Mumbai in India two years ago killed 166 people and injured more than 300. The attack marked a shift in tactics in the use of terrorist soldiers on the ground using guns and grenades, rather than suicide bombers targeting transport networks.

In response police have reassessed the way they deal with attacks. Metropolitan Police tactical response teams have been training on a "shoot to kill" basis after briefings that most deaths in such an attack were likely to occur in the first 30 minutes of an attack.

 

[silent hill]

'The 10 Pakistani terrorists who attacked Mumbai in India two years ago killed 166 people and injured more than 300. '

these things will quitely disappear when some indian itself will disclose the grim reality, that its not pakistan they should fear, its their internal self that they should most fear, just like it samjhota express episode, even though the bharati media maligned pakistan for it for a long time, it was siliently accepted after it was ''proved'' that none other then bharatis were responsible for torching pakistanis in bharati soil.. and to disclose the bitter truth, the man had to pay price in the form of his life.

 

[StingRoy]

Couple of things here...
Firstly the attack on Mumbai will not quietly disappear from our memories... it will remain as a grim reminder of how barbaric can the attackers be and how low someone can stoop to fulfill their jihadi intent.

Secondly, the investigation is yet to be complete, so any comments on domestic involvement is totally prejudiced and irrational. At the moment the whole world knows and believes the links to be strong enough to prove Pakistani involvement. Until you can disprove them (if you are willing to) the opinion will not change.

 

[kingofkings]

Every one knows where the terrorists came from and do you even know we have a live sample named kasab in our custody.

Even his parents in Pakistan accepted that he is a Pakistani.

 

[silent hill]

Secondly, the investigation is yet to be complete, so any comments on domestic involvement is totally prejudiced and irrational. At the moment the whole world knows and believes the links to be strong enough to prove Pakistani involvement. Until you can disprove them (if you are willing to) the opinion will not change.

and bhai ji what proofs are they????

can you list them here??

except, kasab dropped pakistani passport, and cell phone was from pak origin, the fantasy of his travel through fisher mans boat while the whole indian navy was sleeping???

 

[silent hill]

Every one knows where the terrorists came from and do you even know we have a live sample named kasab in our custody.

Even his parents in Pakistan accepted that he is a Pakistani.

so where are his parents now???, and why kasab couldnt varify their names and the exact places??, so that indians could give it as a proof to the pak govt?? and through them the other terrorists can be verified..

the only thing i understand why rehman malik accepted kasab as pakistani is, politics and international pressure, reman malik keeps changing his statements..

after all solid proves are needed while indian govt doesnt want to give

every time pak says not enough proofs??

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

so where are his parents now???, and why kasab couldnt varify their names and the exact places??, so that indians could give it as a proof to the pak govt?? and through them the other terrorists can be verified..

the only thing i understand why rehman malik accepted kasab as pakistani is, politics and international pressure, reman malik keeps changing his statements..

after all solid proves are needed while indian govt doesnt want to give

every time pak says not enough proofs??

The Pakistani Government has officially accepted the identities of the terrorists as Pakistani Nationals.....and their official version is that they were non-state actors.... the Indian government insists that members within the Pakistani establishment like in the ISI & the PA were involved in the attack....and connected to LeT and its font JuD....and the GOP demands further proof for this than the ones already given......

the identity of the militants is no longer in doubt anywhere expect in the realms of conspiracy theories........

 

[StingRoy]

@silent hill... there are some old threads in this forum which discuss on the Mumbai attacks and their proofs. You are more than welcome to search and satisfy your appetite.

Do you think the GoP will accept that Kasaab was Pakistani and that he trained in Pakistan in one of the numerous terror camps (that the PA is still struggling to dismantle) and that his perpetrators were directing from within those camps.
We all know that no matter whatever evidence the GoI gives... it is just going to sit on it and ask for more.

 

[AdnanKhanAfridi]

for those people why GEO tv accept kasab stuff. see there hypocrisy same as bahar@ti

how come such a big channel dont know what kind of star is on Pakistan flag? a isreali flag star on our flag?

 

[somebozo]

It is called diplomacy...

You accuse me, I accuse you

Qureshi did what he wanted to at UNGA and Krishna replied back...

So what's the fuss? Just relax.

More likely typical deceptive and manipulative mentality deviod of any diplomatic standards!

Unless they can provide a proof, its simple hot air.

US is having good luck linking Pakistan with terrorism, india is still far fetched!

 

[KS]

Straw man. I am speaking for myself only, not for anybody else. You can use my reply only against me.

Nope - you speak for your country and I speak for mine.

And again, please avoid calling India + Afghanistan + Israel + parts of the western world = the whole world. They specifically say that India, Israel, west is against them. You're using a straw person argument to misrepresent their position and then argue against the misrepresented position.

Ok not the whole world..

But what difference does it make for us if countries like Vanuatu or Tonga or Equatorial Guinea dont support us?

Is it not enough that the influential few support us.? and the influential few are in the West.

And specifically, what does it mean that India + Afghanistan + Israel + parts of the western world is out to get them? It can mean many things - be specific. What exactly do they say that these parts of the world are doing against Pakistan?

This part of the question you have to ask the conspiracy theorists doing rounds in Pakistan.Not to me.

 

[SMC]

Nope - you speak for your country and I speak for mine.

I really don't. I only speak for myself. An individual can only speak for themselves, unless they are chosen the representative.

Ok not the whole world..

But what difference does it make for us if countries like Vanuatu or Tonga or Equatorial Guinea dont support us?

Is it not enough that the influential few support us.? and the influential few are in the West.

Nope - not so simple. By whole world, you're implying that everyone or nearly everyone in the world accepts your story. I am not talking about states, but rather individuals - the citizens. As far as individuals are concerned, only a parts of the west, Israel, Afghanistan go by your story.

As far as the states are concerned, no western state fully accepts your story. I don't need to talk about eastern states, who also have a lot of influence in the world.

This part of the question you have to ask the conspiracy theorists doing rounds in Pakistan.Not to me.

Clearly you're accusing these people of believing in something. Now it's your burden to tell them (and me) what they're believing that is incorrect. By using the generalized language you used before, you take what they say out of context and misrepresent their position, hence making them sound utterly absurd.