India to Fast Track Critical Defense Deals Including S-400 Defense System

[[Bregs]]

The Indian Defense Acquisition Council's upcoming meeting is expected to take a final review of a number of critical defense deals that have been in limbo due to a number of reasons.


The Defense Acquisition Council (DAC) under the chairmanship of Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar will have a decisive discussion on projects greater than 15 billion dollars on Saturday. High on the agenda is the procurement of Russia made S-400 air defense systems and armed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) including some indigenously made guns.

Sources from the Ministry of Defense have said that India wants to fast track these critical purchases as some of the projects have been long pending. Russia formally offered its S-400 surface to air defense missile system to India in April this year. The DAC has not met in the last three months but, in May, Parrikar hinted in Parliament that the procurement would be completed soon.

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160623/1041798698/india-s400-system.html

 

[DavidSling]

The Indian Defense Acquisition Council's upcoming meeting is expected to take a final review of a number of critical defense deals that have been in limbo due to a number of reasons.


The Defense Acquisition Council (DAC) under the chairmanship of Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar will have a decisive discussion on projects greater than 15 billion dollars on Saturday. High on the agenda is the procurement of Russia made S-400 air defense systems and armed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) including some indigenously made guns.

Sources from the Ministry of Defense have said that India wants to fast track these critical purchases as some of the projects have been long pending. Russia formally offered its S-400 surface to air defense missile system to India in April this year. The DAC has not met in the last three months but, in May, Parrikar hinted in Parliament that the procurement would be completed soon.

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160623/1041798698/india-s400-system.html

Isn't S-400 serving the same purpose of the Israeli david sling?
What India got for longer ranger ballistic missiles, like Arrow 2 or even Arrow 3

 

[shah1398]

Russia formally offered its S-400 surface to air defense missile system to India in April this year.

Just a month back it was stated that S-400 deal might get a bit delayed in favor of some other deals because of financial reasons and allocations for some other important acquisitions of urgent nature.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/05/india-to-postpone-purchase-of-russian-s-400-missile-defense-system/

 

[OrionHunter]

Normal track = 10 years
'Fast track' = 5 years

Any other track to make procurement faster? Probably 'Super track'!

 

[Director General]

India will conclude negotiations by end of this year according to Rostec CEO:

India wants to buy anti-aircraft missile systems S-400. At what stage of the negotiations?
Negotiations are underway, but it would be before the end of the year when this issue would be closed. Everything rests on the delivery time: they just will begin from 2018. "Almaz-Antey" has built two plants - in Kirov and Nizhny Novgorod, hoping that it will concern more quickly deliver systems in the Russian army, and only then they can easily switch to export:
Says CEO of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov
06/06/2016

["shah1398, post: 8408676, member: 168705"]Just a month back it was stated that S-400 deal might get a bit delayed in favor of some other deals because of financial reasons and allocations for some other important acquisitions of urgent nature.[/QUOTE]

 

[#hydra#]

Isn't S-400 serving the same purpose of the Israeli david sling?
What India got for longer ranger ballistic missiles, like Arrow 2 or even Arrow 3

No,its not.

 

[DavidSling]

No,its not.

what's the difference?

 

[Agent_47]

what's the difference?

S400

• Less expensive
• More range
• No restrictions (US parts in DS)
• Proven system

India only approached Israel when slimier systems with Russia is not up to the mark.

 

[DavidSling]

S400

• Less expensive
• More range
• No restrictions (US parts in DS)
• Proven system

Less expensive? proff? it is said that david sling missile cost 20% of the cost of a patriot missile which means it's a very cost effective missile.
No restriction isn't really a difference, it's political not technological.
Proven system? as much as I know it isn't.
Besides, Rafael used it's experience in developing Iron Dome and Spyder (Derby and Python missiles) which have seen combat in the past .
Also, It's gonna serve in the next version of patriot system, and it's based on shared knowlege of both U.S and Israel's experience with interceptors

 

[MilSpec]

Less expensive? proff? it is said that david sling missile cost 20% of the cost of a patriot missile which means it's a very cost effective missile.
No restriction isn't really a difference, it's political not technological.
Proven system? as much as I know it isn't.
Besides, Rafael used it's experience in developing Iron Dome and Spyder (Derby and Python missiles) which have seen combat in the past .

Comes from the same lineage of S300PMUII.

Given India operates most of India's SAM systems are of Russian origin, we are quite aware of it's advantages and shortcomings.

 

[Agent_47]

Less expensive? proff? it is said that david sling missile cost 20% of the cost of a patriot missile which means it's a very cost effective missile.

Show me some data.
Look at Barak 8, I don't think the total missile order crossed 1000 number but the cost crossed $4 billion for sure.

Indian media outlets said earlier that India was planning to purchase five battalions of Russian-made S-400 air defense missile systems and about 6,000 surface-to-air missiles worth nearly 6 billion dollars.

David sling will cost more for sure.

No restriction isn't really a difference, it's political not technological.

Whatever it is, it exists.

Proven system? as much as I know it isn't

Comes from the same lineage of S300PMUII.

 

[DavidSling]

Show me some data.
Look at Barak 8, I don't think the total missile order crossed 1000 number but the cost crossed $4 billion for sure.


David sling will cost more for sure.


Whatever it is, it exists.

Government and industry sources claim the Stunner-based PAAC-4 interceptors will offer improved operational performance at 20 percent of the $2 million unit cost of the Lockheed-built PAC-3 missiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David's_Sling
Coming from the same "Lineage" doesn't says it's combat proff.
I could same David sling comes from the same "lineage" as Patriot and Iron Dome, which both seen more combat than any other compares system around the world.
restrictions over some systems are normal, it's like Russia won't sell it's end systems to the U.S

 

[#hydra#]

what's the difference?

400 is comprises different classes of SAMs, its a complete system which were designed to deal with short ranged air to surface missiles like anti radiation missiles, drones, cruise missiles aircrafts (both stealth nd advanced gen4 fighters), and some ballistic missiles(short nd medium).And different classes of missiles will be used to deal with different threats based on its range. It's envelop ranges from 5 to 400kms.
Where as David sling is comprises a single missile with range of 300,and mainly used as an anti ballistic missile (medium range only).

 

[DavidSling]

400 is comprises different classes of SAMs, its a complete system which were designed to deal with short ranged air to surface missiles like anti radiation missiles, drones, cruise missiles aircrafts (both stealth nd advanced gen4 fighters), and some ballistic missiles(short nd medium).And different classes of missiles will be used to deal with different threats based on its range. It's envelop ranges from 5 to 400kms.
Where as David sling is comprises a single missile with range of 300,and mainly used as an anti ballistic missile (medium range only).

David's Sling (Hebrew: קלע דוד‎‎), also sometimes called Magic Wand (Hebrew: שרביט קסמים‎‎), is an Israel Defense Forces military system being jointly developed by the Israeli defense contractor Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and the American defense contractor Raytheon, designed to intercept tactical ballistic missiles, medium- to long-range rockets and cruise missiles, fired at ranges from 40 km (24.85 miles) to 300 km (186.41 miles).[1] David's Sling is meant to replace the MIM-23 Hawk and MIM-104 Patriot in the Israeli arsenal.[2] It is designed to intercept the newest generation of tactical ballistic missiles, such asIskander, using an on-board dual CCD/IR seekers to distinguish between decoys and the actual warhead of the missile, in addition to tracking by Elta EL/M-2084 Active electronically scanned array multi-mode radar.[3][4][5] The multi-stage interceptor consists of a solid-fuel, rocket motor booster, followed by an asymmetrical kill vehicle with advanced steering for super-maneuverability during the kill-stage. A three-pulse motor provides additional acceleration and maneuverability during the terminal phase.[6] David's Sling was planned to be deployed in 2015, but budget shortfalls for infrastructure for deployable missile batteries will delay its operational date.[7] David's Sling owes much to the SPYDER programme's modified Python 5 and DERBY seeker technology.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David's_Sling

It will also join Iron Dome in the role of shooting down UAV's and enemy aircrafts.
Also, one Tamir missile of the Iron Dome will cost considerably less than one of S400
On 4 April 2012, Reuters reported that a senior Israeli official, during a briefing to a small group of journalists on condition of anonymity, predicted an increased interception range of up to 250 km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

 

[Agent_47]

Government and industry sources claim the Stunner-based PAAC-4 interceptors will offer improved operational performance at 20 percent of the $2 million unit cost of the Lockheed-built PAC-3 missiles.

So, are you saying that for 6000 missiles it will cost $12 billion ? (Mind you thats only missiles, what about the damn costly AESA radars?)
You failed to prove how DS is less expensive.

Coming from the same "Lineage" doesn't says it's combat proff.

Since both are new, how are you gona check which is more proven?

restrictions over some systems are normal, it's like Russia won't sell it's end systems to the U.S

Don't BS dude, this thread is about sale to india. Not Russia to US.