India to customise Russia's FGFA planes

[kbd-raaf]

1)only 144 will be bought,,,,according to reports
2)HAL is just loudmouth,,,it has absolutely nothing to contribute,,,,,,,do u seriously believe HAL would tell sukhoi that they have better solutions??

3)Contribution of HAL in fgfa will be integrating the foreign stuff and some composites in the airframe,nothing else

sardar1987 all over again.

 

[he-man]

What I,m asking is will all these 144 planes be single seater FGFA or twin seater FGFA or a mixture of both??Or is India even considering buying a few PAK-FAs directly???

1)no twin seaters

2)not buying pakfa directly

3)we will get 3 prototypes for testing in 2014,17 and 19 and our version will be based on the final prototype of 2019

 

[confound thinker]

1)no twin seaters

2)not buying pakfa directly

3)we will get 3 prototypes for testing in 2014,17 and 19 and our version will be based on the final prototype of 2019

So all the FGFA are going to be the MKI'sed version of PAK-FA.
Thanks for clearing my doubt...

 

[Dillinger]

@All People would do well to first familiarize themselves with what the current R&D phase constitutes before commenting.

And no, unequivocally no, the number is not 144.

 

[he-man]

sardar1987 all over again.

am i wrong in these figures mate!!??

@All People would do well to first familiarize themselves with what the current R&D phase constitutes before commenting.

And no, unequivocally no, the number is not 144.

according to media reports it is

@All People would do well to first familiarize themselves with what the current R&D phase constitutes before commenting.

And no, unequivocally no, the number is not 144.

http://thediplomat.com/flashpoints-blog/2012/10/25/india-snubs-russia-on-fifth-generation-fighters/

http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20121016/176668178.html

So all the FGFA are going to be the MKI'sed version of PAK-FA.
Thanks for clearing my doubt...

yes...thats the plan

 

[Dillinger]

am i wrong in these figures mate!!??



according to media reports it is

According to the media reports the numbers have fluctuated year by year. I have a hard time countering articles by journos and experts who's expertise is shown bright through assertions like- Russia was passing us the formula for ABA steel. The "reports" are patently flawed.

Have some patience..reporting is cut and paste hack jobs of statements issued and floating around. MOD has a different take on this.

 

[he-man]

According to the media reports the numbers have fluctuated year by year. I have a hard time countering articles by journos and experts who's expertise is shown bright through assertions like- Russia was passing us the formula for ABA steel. The "reports" are patently flawed.

the second article is from russian daily

and yes aba steel was a blunder as aba is an american standard but understand this..............they did help us make the steel

 

[Dillinger]

the second article is from russian daily

and yes aba steel was a blunder as aba is an american standard but understand this..............they did help us make the steel

They didn't help jack with the steel. Not one of these reporters has ever bothered looking at the actual production process or the QR/QC related issues.

Second- the Russian article is the example of a copy paste hack. The only deciding agency here is the MOD and the MOD has projected no numbers and will not till the R&D phase is completed. Till then its all, official's released this statement or that statement or our sources tell us-

 

[he-man]

They didn't help jack with the steel. Not one of these reporters has ever bothered looking at the actual production process or the QR/QC related issues.

Second- the Russian article is the example of a copy paste hack. The only deciding agency here is the MOD and the MOD has projected no numbers and will not till the R&D phase is completed. Till then its all, official's released this statement or that statement or our sources tell us-

I don't know but its not one article but there are dozens telling that number would be 144!!
Regarding steel,,,the steel was produced in GOVT OWNEd SAIL plant....and its definitely possible they had russian help,,but there is no confirmation nor a rebut from anyone so lets leave it at that

 

[Dillinger]

I don't know but its not one article but there are dozens telling that number would be 144!!
Regarding steel,,,the steel was produced in GOVT OWNEd SAIL plant....and its definitely possible they had russian help,,but there is no confirmation nor a rebut from anyone so lets leave it at that

There is a possibility that the French were teaching us how to install croissant churning wonder machines on our ships too.

Listen at the moment only the PDC phase has been completed. Even the article on this thread, the OP's, is inaccurate on many points. That's why I stated, first find out what the current R&D phase is meant for then opine.

 

[he-man]

There is a possibility that the French were teaching us how to install croissant churning wonder machines on our ships too.

Listen at the moment only the PDC phase has been completed. Even the article on this thread, the OP's, is inaccurate on many points. That's why I stated, first find out what the current R&D phase is meant for then opine.

This article is complete bullshit as its quoting a loudmouth HAL executive

On the other hand i think india was considering AMCA last year too thats why it might have thought to cut down pakfa but now that AMCA is as good as completely dead we may see an increase in pakfa numbers

Personally i favour pakfa induction starting 2017-18 with russians only even if it means that initial batch will have weaker engines,,,,i just prefer this to rafale!! if it costs same.If it costs significantly more then scenario changes...........just look at the images i posted in maks 2013 page,,,the bird looks awesome

 

[Dillinger]

This article is complete bullshit as its quoting a loudmouth HAL executive

On the other hand i think india was considering AMCA last year too thats why it might have thought to cut down pakfa but now that AMCA is as good as completely dead we may see an increase in pakfa numbers

Personally i favour pakfa induction starting 2017-18 with russians only even if it means that initial batch will have weaker engines,,,,i just prefer this to rafale!! if it costs same.If it costs significantly more then scenario changes...........just look at the images i posted in maks 2013 page,,,the bird looks awesome

The Pak-fa or the FGFA or the AMCA does not replace the Rafale and cannot replace the Rafale whether or not it is procured and/or acquisition is on track or delayed further. The IAF's operational doctrine predicates its needs- and that does not change on our whims and fancies.

The article is indeed filled with a lot of inaccuracies. You are correct that the FGFA will be akin to a deep MKI variant. But the R&D phase has not been initiated for that purpose- that has to do with HAL and something else entirely.

 

[he-man]

The Pak-fa or the FGFA or the AMCA does not replace the Rafale and cannot replace the Rafale whether or not it is procured and/or acquisition is on track or delayed further. The IAF's operational doctrine predicates its needs- and that does not change on our whims and fancies.

The article is indeed filled with a lot of inaccuracies. You are correct that the FGFA will be akin to a deep MKI variant. But the R&D phase has not been initiated for that purpose- that has to do with HAL and something else entirely.

It has nothing to do with IAF doctrine but advanced sensors of rafale.............its a fact
My contention being

1)If pakfa gets a good irst comparable to or better than rafale(possible as su-35 irst has 90 km compared to rafale 140 km and its 4-5 years old)

2)Good maws(it has 2 huge uv detecting maws and should be pretty formidable)

3)good rwr

4)good air to ground mode which i hope we will have courtesy the N050 AESA

Then rafale becomes redundant..........

BUT

1)Pakfa will have limited weapons ability without external hardpoints

2)indian version will be very expensive in my opinion

 

[kaykay]

The Pak-fa or the FGFA or the AMCA does not replace the Rafale and cannot replace the Rafale whether or not it is procured and/or acquisition is on track or delayed further. The IAF's operational doctrine predicates its needs- and that does not change on our whims and fancies.

The article is indeed filled with a lot of inaccuracies. You are correct that the FGFA will be akin to a deep MKI variant. But the R&D phase has not been initiated for that purpose- that has to do with HAL and something else entirely.

Exactly. Problem is that we fantasies alot without knowing the actual requirement for the IAF. No matter what but Rafale can't be replaced with Pakfa or fgfa because the basic of mmrca deal was 'multirole medium' aircraft as we have no multirole aircrafts even as of now other that handful mirages.

 

[Dillinger]

It has nothing to do with IAF doctrine but advanced sensors of rafale.............its a fact
My contention being

1)If pakfa gets a good irst comparable to or better than rafale(possible as su-35 irst has 90 km compared to rafale 140 km and its 4-5 years old)

2)Good maws(it has 2 huge uv detecting maws and should be pretty formidable)

3)good rwr

4)good air to ground mode which i hope we will have courtesy the N050 AESA

Then rafale becomes redundant..........

BUT

1)Pakfa will have limited weapons ability without external hardpoints

2)indian version will be very expensive in my opinion

And you've reached the conclusion that the selection of the Rafale was made on the basis of the sensor package? May we know what is the basis of said inference? Are you cognizant of the IAF's operational doctrine and the place within it for a MMRCA?