India Supporting Taliban-US Intel Official

[muse]

the dominant Indian message with Afghanistan and entirely legitimate/necessary. By itself, it can't be seen as a geo-political threat of any importance as it only visibly manifests Indian altruism. Their self-interests seem fully transparent- to gain access to CAR, Russian, and European markets and energy and to do so from a favored diplomatic posture with Afghanistan. They appear to be succeeding famously.

Seems that portion is how the game should be played, wouldn't you agree?

The American Judge and jury has ruled.

That India acts in Afghanistan for her own interests is a given, but that as the occupying power the US is duplitious while enabling and supporting terror against Pakistan emanating from Afghanistan.

The US refusal to designate the BLA a terrorist organization is itself an indication of the fact the US may still find it useful.

However; for Pakistani interlocutors, the important question has to be how and why does Pakistan find itself in so unfavorable a position?? Indian not friendly? Duh!, US speaks with forked tongue? Duh! -- but lets do also add, Pakistani politics and policy incompetent and amateurish!

Pakistan is being dealt with by people and organizations that understand WILL and the capablity to exercise that WILL. Now Pakistani interlocutors can argue any point they wish to but the only thing that will impress those who have decided that Pakistan are a easy mark, is the ercise of Will by the Pakistani state to correct those perceptions.

The American enables Indian terror from Afghanistan?? And this is news?? And what has the Pakistani state done to those who began this in the six years since?? Made more deals??

 

[XYON]

Wow. Look at the number of "Thanks" to the original post. Its like the whole of defence.pk was waiting for baited breath to blame India for their problems, and they pounced on the first tiny scrap, albeit just a mirage.

India may not be the complete problem for Pakistan but it most certainly a big part of it though!

 

[waraich66]

Aray bhai, what world are you living in?

TTP leaders, including Mehsud, Mullah FM, Faqir Mohammed, have gleefully accepted responsibility for suicide bombings targeting PA troops.

Remember the lesson of Mir Jaffar - the longer you stay blind to the fact that Pakistanis and Muslims are involved in terrorism in Pakistan, even with Indian support, the longer it will take to resolve the situation.

Again , unable to understand , india is supporting US and NATO in Afghanistan , TTP is in support of Aghan Talaban ,

I think India could not double cross US to start supporting TTP.

I hope you get my point.

 

[afriend]

Kashmir is internationally recognized disputed territory, Baluchistan is not. In Kashmir India unilaterally walked away from international agreements to resolve the issue, thereby eliminating the means for diplomatic resolution of the dispute.

There is no comparison between the two issues, and leave it off this thread please.

The rest of your comments about India and the Taliban have been answered already in various posts, go back and read through them.

Well Chief.. Sure BLA is off the thread, but please note that i was refering to your article in post no 119 claiming indian hand in balcoh sepratism. So please don't refer a point here if you dont want the comment here.

And secondly after going through the threadi have only found only specuations and no mere concrete proof endorsed by any inteligence agencies for india's support of Taliban. However one issue which came close was Disintegration of Pakistan. However the reasoning contradicts the facts. The very reason pakistan have been prominent member on WOT even after the various reports of Pakistan supporting afghan talibans, is that PAK is a nuclear armed nation, even the US is not confident enough to launch an offensive against PAK. So a distabilised PAK is not at all at the intrest of India,US and the world just atleast because of WMD that PAK posses. You may see how palestinans are suffering and how america is keeping silent, if you dont buy the argument. And more over india have been the known opposer of Taliban and have been at the recieving end of the burnt of talibani bombings in Afghanistan and same by default contradicts your assumption of an INDIA-Taliban alliance. And further you may check the comments by Behtulah Mehsud chief of Tehrik-i-Taliban

"The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan demanded the Pakistani military halt operations in Taliban territory and release of their members. The Taliban also stated it would continue the fight against Coalition forces in Afghanistan.

"The meeting participants have demanded an immediate end of the military operation being carried out in Swat, and given a 10-day ultimatum to the government to pullout troops from the area," the Nation reported. The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan also demanded "the closure of the military checkposts in North and South Waziristan and release of all Taliban activists including former Lal Masjid Khateeb Maulana Abul Aziz."

“Our main aim is to target the US allies in Afghanistan but the government of Pakistan’s ill-strategy has made us to launch a defensive Jihad in Pakistan,” spokesman Maulvi Omar stated. “The government of Pakistan would be paid in the same coin now,” Mehsud said."

This clearly states that they turned against or were forced to fight pakistan because of the Pakistani offensive against them.

 

[S-2]

"The American Judge and jury has ruled."

I am but your humble servant, sir...

"That India acts in Afghanistan for her own interests is a given..."

Indeed. So? If they attract with honey should they be blamed? India has committed $1 BIL of civil affairs and aid and have delivered. Not for nothing, tangible and visible collide to the mutual benefit of both nations.

You've now had a chance to see the DHS site on the BLA provided to A.M. Our position doesn't indicate any support for the BLA. Seems clear enough there. Nor does it exceed the perspective of Canada, Australia, the E.U. nor Russia. We're hardly benefactors so you'd seem slightly off the mark.

"...that as the occupying power the US is duplitious while enabling and supporting terror against Pakistan emanating from Afghanistan."

"occupying power", is it? That's a steep hill to climb with forty one nations and the U.N. closely watching near all aspects of matters under a collective mandate no less. I'm a bit surprised.

Personally, I haven't seen anything compelling to suggest that Pakistan is under the sort of assault by proxy from without that it's so routinely delivered upon others over the years. I don't believe there are Baluchi training camps in Afghanistan. I don't believe that the Indians are convincing afghan pashtus to cross into Pakistan and make war from consulates scattered like French Foreign Legion posts along the Pakistani border.

I'm uncertain if the Indians are supporting Baitullah Mehsud. If so, they've their reasons, I suppose. They certainly don't need Afghanistan, though, to infiltrate money and expertise to Baitullah Mehsud.

I'm less sure about the Baluchis but, if so, it's money and expertise. To date, alleged Indian money and expertise hasn't amounted to much. Western Baluchistan isn't the issue. Peshawar and Islamabad are. The Indians aren't looking to embarass America in Afghanistan either. Given their own welcomed aid and contributions, that aid would stand for little if simultaneously eroding the process of stability.

No. Your greatest enemies lie within your borders and have for some time. Simply, those are the Pashtu and Baluchi tribes who've been religiously or politically radicalized to seek control from/of the state. Perhaps soon it will be the Sindhi and Punjabi tribes too?

This matter is simple- you've aided the accession of FATA by the defeated taliban army in 2001 and transferred sovereignty in the process. It was from here that war was again waged on Afghanistan. The Pakistani nat'l narrative was in accord with this objective. It was the first step in regaining strategic space and proxy was nothing new to your lexicon. Instead, celebrated more closely captures the sense given the praise and esteem for which LeT was held post Kargil and the taliban's forbearers, of course-the mujahideen.

The Afghan taliban and al Qaeda's presence was ultimately corrupting within that local culture. They've inter-married and tangibly assimilated within the communities of Pashtunistan. Taliban ambitions for Afghanistan have been seamlessly translated into the same for Pakistan and little wonder.

Thanks.

 

[muse]

Fair enuff - where there is smoke there is fire --- it's not really a problem of or for either the US or India -It is really a Problem for and of Pakistan and for it to deal with effectively.

 

[Zaheerkhan]

Goddd... India supported Northern Alliance for decades and helped them to overthrow Taliban in Afghanistan...Now, after striving for so many years to destroy Taliban, now, why would India want to support Taliban..Taliban is a proxey if Pakistan...and now, the chicken are coming home to Roost..

 

[Awesome]

^India is in Afghanistan to win over the Afghan government and people, and to create an ally. Pakistan obviously does not want this. Nothing "naive" or "innocent" about it.

No offense but, bwahahahaha.

India has a lot of charades in Afghanistan and the road building missions are one of them. You don't need 32 consulates to build roads. How many missions does America have in Afghanistan? And its fighting a full scale war in Afghanistan.

India needs consulates to get immunity from inspections from America. America is too sheep to do anything about those terrorist camps and can't be bothered into opening another front in Afghanistan. But Americans too will realize in the years to come that Afghanistan requires a complete fix, not a mend here n there.

 

[Awesome]

Goddd... India supported Northern Alliance for decades and helped them to overthrow Taliban in Afghanistan...Now, after striving for so many years to destroy Taliban, now, why would India want to support Taliban..Taliban is a proxey if Pakistan...and now, the chicken are coming home to Roost..

Dude what is Taliban? Its a bunch of warlords. What were the Northern Alliance? A bunch of warlords. Why did India support the NA warlords? Because they were fighting against the warlords supported by Pakistan. Now India will support the warlords fighting Pakistan, simple as that.

They don't need a treaty signed with each other to give this support. They can just walk upto a warlord over for chai and get the job done.

 

[muse]

Oh yes, there is that bit about 41 nations - Lithuania, Norway etc; unmentioned is that no one besides the US has stomach for the fight - this coalition of the unwilling is being trotted out once too often to be repectable..


What about America's responsibility?



Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Ahmed Quraishi

If Pakistan is supporting proxies in Afghanistan using religion and is not ready to understand that 'terrorism' is a threat to its existence, why can't we create our own Islamic proxies and push them inside Pakistan, creating enough mayhem to make Pakistan 'understand' our point?

That's the question two Indian security analysts asked in a paper submitted to the Indian security establishment nine years ago. We don't know if someone paid attention to the bright new idea. But last year, our security forces did arrest fighters in the ranks of the so-called 'Pakistani Taliban' sneaking in from Afghanistan who, let's just say, appeared to have been professionally trained in sabotage and who were pretending to be Islamic extremists. This does not mean that we should accuse India of mischief. After all, Afghanistan is US-controlled territory.

The Pakistani government for some strange reason is not willing to make such disturbing incidents pubic in the misplaced hope that sharing this information with our American allies will resolve the problem. What Islamabad forgets is that there are 'non-state actors' in Washington too. They might have interests that may or may not be in the knowledge of those couple of US bureaucrats whom our elected government appears to trust so much that it has decorated them with Pakistan's highest civilian honours. One of them, US deputy secretary of state John Negroponte, is a veteran of America's proxy wars in Latin America and might know a thing or two about this. There is a reason why a report in this newspaper on Aug. 5, 2008, revealed that the Pakistani leadership warned the highest U.S. military and intelligence officials about a "strong evidence and circumstantial evidence of American acquiescence to terrorism inside Pakistan." After all, the new American obsession with redrawing borders to suit U.S. interests is no longer something that we can agree on with the CIA station in the Pakistani capital. This is not about shifting the blame. We have our own problems. But you can't ignore the situation when someone pumps in millions of dollars in cash and in weapons inside your country to effect change.

The mayhem in Pakistan, which surprisingly did not exist prior to the year 2005, follows the same geographic pattern as the US interest. For example, the transport route from Karachi to Torkham is essential for a prolonged US presence in Afghanistan and Central Asia. Today this city is in the grip of a manufactured Talibanization scare and a potential ethnic conflict between the supporters of two Pakistani political parties that maintain close ties with Washington. Some of the bitterest US news reporting focused on Gwadar as an extension of China, and Quetta was accused of hosting the Afghan Taliban leadership, facilitated by the untrustworthy ISI. So Balochistan became the first target. An insurgency erupted all of a sudden in January 2005 targeting Pakistan's control over the province. When the insurgency was weakened, the focus shifted to NWFP.

We have no laws in Pakistan that bar political parties and their 'owners' from conducting their own private 'foreign policies'. That's why few Pakistanis know how the United States conducted its own private business with senior politicians who were secretly flown to Washington and to the military Central Command in Florida throughout 2007, the year that saw the worst internal destabilization in the history of Pakistan. It was also a year in which many analysts saw signs of a 'coloured revolution' that normally precedes the ascent to power of staunch pro-US governments.

If some of our politicians have it their way, a time is coming when Pakistanis won't be welcome in one part of their country. But no one in our liberal elite is ready to listen to the signs of danger. In their enthusiasm for opposing religious extremism, which is valid, Pakistan's liberal elite is making a historical mistake of ignoring an evil of equal proportion. Foreign interference in Pakistan is exacting a toll on our country that, if left unchecked, might come at the cost of Pakistan's existence as a nation.

The writer works for Geo TV. Email: aq@ahmedquraishi.com

 

[Awesome]

Fair enuff - where there is smoke there is fire --- it's not really a problem of or for either the US or India -It is really a Problem for and of Pakistan and for it to deal with effectively.

We have to make it the US's problem since the consulates are operating under US protection. We can't get to them without the US's clearance or US butting out of the middle.

The trick would be to seal our border. As hard as it is, I think it should start featuring upon defence budgets. Lock tight the crazy warlords in Afghanistan. Either this would help the US fight the terrorists better or India would be driven to desperate more overt measures to infiltrate into Pakistan, it would also concentrate the Taliban into Afghanistan. This would bring things into the spotlight as the US would finally get off its lazy butt and launch some serious investigations into these allegations.

 

[Awesome]

Oh yes, there is that bit about 41 nations - Lithuania, Norway etc; unmentioned is that no one besides the US has stomach for the fight - this coalition of the unwilling is being trotted out once too often to be repectable..


What about America's responsibility?



Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Ahmed Quraishi

If Pakistan is supporting proxies in Afghanistan using religion and is not ready to understand that 'terrorism' is a threat to its existence, why can't we create our own Islamic proxies and push them inside Pakistan, creating enough mayhem to make Pakistan 'understand' our point?

That's the question two Indian security analysts asked in a paper submitted to the Indian security establishment nine years ago. We don't know if someone paid attention to the bright new idea. But last year, our security forces did arrest fighters in the ranks of the so-called 'Pakistani Taliban' sneaking in from Afghanistan who, let's just say, appeared to have been professionally trained in sabotage and who were pretending to be Islamic extremists. This does not mean that we should accuse India of mischief. After all, Afghanistan is US-controlled territory.

The Pakistani government for some strange reason is not willing to make such disturbing incidents pubic in the misplaced hope that sharing this information with our American allies will resolve the problem. What Islamabad forgets is that there are 'non-state actors' in Washington too. They might have interests that may or may not be in the knowledge of those couple of US bureaucrats whom our elected government appears to trust so much that it has decorated them with Pakistan's highest civilian honours. One of them, US deputy secretary of state John Negroponte, is a veteran of America's proxy wars in Latin America and might know a thing or two about this. There is a reason why a report in this newspaper on Aug. 5, 2008, revealed that the Pakistani leadership warned the highest U.S. military and intelligence officials about a "strong evidence and circumstantial evidence of American acquiescence to terrorism inside Pakistan." After all, the new American obsession with redrawing borders to suit U.S. interests is no longer something that we can agree on with the CIA station in the Pakistani capital. This is not about shifting the blame. We have our own problems. But you can't ignore the situation when someone pumps in millions of dollars in cash and in weapons inside your country to effect change.

The mayhem in Pakistan, which surprisingly did not exist prior to the year 2005, follows the same geographic pattern as the US interest. For example, the transport route from Karachi to Torkham is essential for a prolonged US presence in Afghanistan and Central Asia. Today this city is in the grip of a manufactured Talibanization scare and a potential ethnic conflict between the supporters of two Pakistani political parties that maintain close ties with Washington. Some of the bitterest US news reporting focused on Gwadar as an extension of China, and Quetta was accused of hosting the Afghan Taliban leadership, facilitated by the untrustworthy ISI. So Balochistan became the first target. An insurgency erupted all of a sudden in January 2005 targeting Pakistan's control over the province. When the insurgency was weakened, the focus shifted to NWFP.

We have no laws in Pakistan that bar political parties and their 'owners' from conducting their own private 'foreign policies'. That's why few Pakistanis know how the United States conducted its own private business with senior politicians who were secretly flown to Washington and to the military Central Command in Florida throughout 2007, the year that saw the worst internal destabilization in the history of Pakistan. It was also a year in which many analysts saw signs of a 'coloured revolution' that normally precedes the ascent to power of staunch pro-US governments.

If some of our politicians have it their way, a time is coming when Pakistanis won't be welcome in one part of their country. But no one in our liberal elite is ready to listen to the signs of danger. In their enthusiasm for opposing religious extremism, which is valid, Pakistan's liberal elite is making a historical mistake of ignoring an evil of equal proportion. Foreign interference in Pakistan is exacting a toll on our country that, if left unchecked, might come at the cost of Pakistan's existence as a nation.

The writer works for Geo TV. Email: aq@ahmedquraishi.com

If you see American reactions to these allegations its more like "Oh c'moooooon this can't be true". Our good American friends seem to be shrugging off their responsibility because it just sounds like a lot of work if its true and its best to just not raise these questions for everybody (else).

 

[Halaku Khan]

Besides the Embassy in Kabul, India has only 4 consulates - Kandahar, Jalalabad, Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif. That is not unreasonable, given the number of Afghans that need to come to India for medical care, trade and education, and the need to administer the aid program.

Pakistan should do something positive for Afghanistan, rather than supporting Taliban proxies, and complaining about India's help to the Afghan people.

No offense but, bwahahahaha.

India has a lot of charades in Afghanistan and the road building missions are one of them. You don't need 32 consulates to build roads. How many missions does America have in Afghanistan? And its fighting a full scale war in Afghanistan.

India needs consulates to get immunity from inspections from America. America is too sheep to do anything about those terrorist camps and can't be bothered into opening another front in Afghanistan. But Americans too will realize in the years to come that Afghanistan requires a complete fix, not a mend here n there.

 

[Flintlock]

You're making a lot of unsupported assumptions Asim.

 

[waraich66]

Besides the Embassy in Kabul, India has only 4 consulates - Kandahar, Jalalabad, Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif. That is not unreasonable, given the number of Afghans that need to come to India for medical care, trade and education, and the need to administer the aid program.

Pakistan should do something positive for Afghanistan, rather than supporting Taliban proxies, and complaining about India's help to the Afghan people.

If india has great consideration of human values why dont they help Sumali,Uthopians ,why they are more kind with Afghan

It mean these is hidden agenda ,