India successfully test fired Brahmos Missile from Su 30

[#hydra#]

considering the time needed to acquire a ne w plane, modifying what you have is a better plan schedule wise.

But we made short legged by doing so,I think.

the Problem is never to hit the target， the problem is to fight against defense.

it can fly at height of 10 meters to attack a ship. it will fly much higher than subsonic cruise missile against target on ground. To attack target on ground, also its range is not long enough.

Any defence can be breached,and any spear can be blocked too.

 

[leapx]

But we made short legged by doing so,I think.


Any defence can be breached,and any spear can be blocked too.

as I said, it has to fly at high altitude to attack target on ground. In such case, ballistic missiles are much better for penetration.

JASSM，storm shadow are all subsonic cruise missiles. there is good reason for that

 

[NirmalKrish]

Modians are worshiping this achievement of BrahMos while the range is paltry 290 KM, what would they do once India test fires 600 KM BrahMos is beyond me.

Sukhoi = Russian
BrahMos = Russian + Indian.

The crucial Seeker, engine & mission software of BrahMos belong (100%) to Russians, while India looks like a baby on this.

The Indian guidance software is embedded in Russian mission software in BrahMos.

They say, give credit where due.
But jingoist Modians work completely different in a conflicting pattern.

Roll the drums on this post!

Most Indian posters are displaying jingoist quality sans any knowledge, insight, acumen, vision or wisdom.

Empty vessels make more noise type.
Lack of moral compass!

https://twitter.com/x/status/933324134410362881

BJPians/Modians taking credit for BrahMos is akin to a Rooster who claims credit for the sunrise.

But we are stuck with them.
2019 is not far off.

 

[cerberus]

as I said, it has to fly at high altitude to attack target on ground. In such case, ballistic missiles are much better for penetration.

JASSM，storm shadow are all subsonic cruise missiles. there is good reason for that

Now Countries To going for super sonic Brahmos missile

Today ,most of the Surface To air missiles are TVC and Faster as Mach 2-4 And Do more 50 G Maneuver It can Easily Take out Subsonic cruise missile

That's Why countries developing Advanced Supersonic And Hyper Sonic cruise missiles
Eg
ASMP ,3M-51 Alfa, YJ-12 P-800 Oniks And CVS401 Perseus

Hypersonic variants developed by many Countries Like US,China Russia and India

 

[NirmalKrish]

The JF-17 is indigenously manufactured in Pakistan. I do not know how much Pakistan contributed to the JF-17. Pakistan contributed 58% of the project I believe. Better than your Brahmos which is done by Russians 65%.

But the JF-17 is better than your Tejas trash. That is one thing for sure. .

haha, JF-17 does not even have a full fly-by wire! sure we get it JF-17 cant take down a f-22 easy!

 

[leapx]

Now Countries To going for super sonic Brahmos missile

Today ,most of the Surface To air missiles are TVC and Faster as Mach 2-4 And Do more 50 G Maneuver It can Easily Take out Subsonic cruise missile

That's Why countries developing Advanced Supersonic And Hyper Sonic cruise missiles
Eg
ASMP ,3M-51 Alfa, YJ-12 P-800 Oniks And CVS401 Perseus

Hypersonic variants developed by many Countries Like US,China Russia and India

all anti-ship

 

[cerberus]

all anti-ship

Research ASMP ,Perseus And Y-15 And other Made For all Attack

 

[HariSinghNalwa]

in fact, the first question I had in mind when I read this news was why 30mki was chosen for this, instead of Jaguar, the dedicated bombing platform.

Well I don't think the 2.5 ton missile could be safely launch from Jaguar but the taunted smaller 1 Ton could be launched when it is developed but another reason for the su30mki was the role of Jaguar is land attack but brahmos is more of Anti surface ship missile and India has su30mki in Andaman islands.

 

[nang2]

Well I don't think the 2.5 ton missile could be safely launch from Jaguar but the taunted smaller 1 Ton could be launched when it is developed but another reason for the su30mki was the role of Jaguar is land attack but brahmos is more of Anti surface ship missile and India has su30mki in Andaman islands.

you are right. I originally thought Jaguar was in the same class as Chinese JH7A, which carries 2.5ton YJ12. I searched again and found out that Jaguar's load is only half of JH7A's capability.

 

[ashok321]

US spies had info on India’s nuclear missiles years before launch – NSA leaks
https://www.rt.com/news/404008-india-nuclear-missile-us-nsa/

The NSA may have known about India’s nuclear-capable Sagarika and Dhanush missiles as early as 2005, newly released documents from the trove obtained by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveal.

US spies also likely possessed “significant intelligence” about the bombs in service in India during that period.

Those revelations come from the batch of 294 articles published by The Intercept last week, and traced back to the from National Security Agency’s Signal Intelligence Directorate internal newsletter, SIDtoday.

The papers were part of the trove of documents that was handed over to journalists by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden in 2013, in one of the largest leaks ever of US intelligence data.

One of the freshly released documents, titled “New collection access yields ‘spectacular’ intel,” has revealed US spying activities against India carried out by NSA sites abroad. It states that an NSA facility in Australia, codenamed RAINFALL, “had successfully geolocated signals of a suspected Indian nuclear weapons storage facility” in October 2004.

A Thailand-based “Foreign Satellite collection facility” codenamed LEMONWOOD then collaborated with NSA’s Unidentified Signal and Protocol Analysis Branch at NSA in “isolating these signals” and confirming their relation to the Indian nuclear weaponry. Additional equipment was than deployed to LEMONWOOD to “expand the modest collection.”

“Immediately after fielding this equipment, collection of this new network began to provide what is being called
According to the Intercept, this activity eventually allowed the US to obtain data about the Sagarika and Dhanush nuclear-capable missiles, years before they were test-fired by the Indian military.

Sagarika, a submarine-launched ballistic missile, has been in development since the 1990s. It was first successfully tested in 2008. The missile can be launched from both ground launchers and from underwater, and can carry a payload of up to 500 kilograms for a distance of up to 700 kilometers.


Dhanush, a sea-launched short-range ballistic missile, can carry the same payload of 500 kilograms up to a distance of 250 kilometers. It was first successfully test-fired in 2016, more than a decade after the NSA obtained information about the project.

According to the SIDtoday article cited by the Intercept, the NSA had also obtained information “on India’s possession of two different types of airdropped bombs.”

The first one was described in the paper as a “very large Fuel Air Explosive,” while the other one may have belonged to a “new generation of airdropped nuclear weapons.”

 

[Safriz]

Now Countries To going for super sonic Brahmos missile

Today ,most of the Surface To air missiles are TVC and Faster as Mach 2-4 And Do more 50 G Maneuver It can Easily Take out Subsonic cruise missile

That's Why countries developing Advanced Supersonic And Hyper Sonic cruise missiles
Eg
ASMP ,3M-51 Alfa, YJ-12 P-800 Oniks And CVS401 Perseus

Hypersonic variants developed by many Countries Like US,China Russia and India

Rubbish.
Even the latest F-35 is armed with subsonic cruise missiles not supersonic.
NATO does not use any supersonic cruise missiles.

 

[cerberus]

Rubbish.
Even the latest F-35 is armed with subsonic cruise missiles not supersonic.
NATO does not use any supersonic cruise missiles.

Wrong
Is developed by Aérospatiale(Now MBDA) by France
The Air-Sol Moyenne Portée (ASMP/ ASMP-A)

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/asmp/

MBDA also Developing Perseus or CVS401 Perseus Supersonic Cruise Which Replace Aging Harpoon in NATO fleet Soon
They also Working on Hypersonic version

PLA Also Opting for Supersonic Cruise missiles

That's Why they developed

YJ series cruise missiles For Next gen Roles For Land And Anti ship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-91

 

[Photon]

India playing "Catch up" with Pakistan.
Yesterday India test fired Air launched version of their Brahmos cruise Missile from Indian air force SU-30MKI. This was the first test of its kind where an IAF Sukhoi actually fired a Brahmos.
The air launched version has a range of 400 Km and this test was for a target at sea or anti ship role. We have yet to see a similar test for land based target.
But Indian program for Air launched Brahmos has its problems. The Missile is too heavy at 2.5 Tons for any fighter jet to carry. India's Russian made mainstay fighter jet the SU-30MKI is not designed to carry such heavy single load.
To make it able to carry Brahmos, India had to modify the jet. The fuselage or the body of IAF SU-30MKI had to be specially strengthened. That meant welding more frames and that essentially increased the weight of the jet, permanently.
Even if the IAF SU-30 modified for Brahmos is not carrying Brahmos, the extra strengthening beams welded to it are still there, making it heavy and reducing it's range, changing handling characteristics.
Since IAF does not want the whole fleet of their SU-30 get short legged just for Brahmos, they are planning to modify 42 jets for the role. However so far in many years, only two jets have actually been modifies. So in effect , as things stand right now, only two IAF jets can carry and fire only one Brahmos each.
Also the missile will fly at above 10 Thousand meter altitude most of it's flight path to sustain the Mach 2.8 speed, making it visible from very far away. Only the last few kilometers it will dive down and fly close to the surface.

On the other hand Pakistan has been proactive and already made some changes to existing tried and tested Raad Air launched cruise missile. The changes have increased the range of the missile to 550 Kilometers or 150 Km longer than Indian Brahmos. The modified new Missile is called Raad II.
Raad can fly close to the surface all the way, making it very difficult to detect and track from long distances.
Also PAF jets do not need to be modified to carry Raad, and the whole existing fleet of PAF Mirages and F-16 can carry at least one Raad each and possibly two. Tests being carried out on JF-17 too.

P.S. Unlike Indian claims,their Brahmos cannot carry nuclear weapons the Russian P-800 oniks the Brahmos is based on, was never designed to carry nuclear weapons, but an anti ship missile. Also the missile has a very low warhead weight capacity at just 250 Kilos and India does not have such light weigh Nuclear weapon.
On the other hand Pakistani Raad has warhead capacity of 350 to 400 Kilos and Pakistan does have Nuclear warheads of this weight. Also Raad was designed from the start for dual role as conventional and nuclear strike weapon.

Use a little common sense, lets say they added more stiffeners to strengthen the fuselage?
What would be the weight of these stiffeners, that they would reduce the range of a 20 tonne aircrafts to less than half it original?
Are you telling me, HAL added 10 tonnes of stiffeners to the airframe ? ..lol

The 1500 km "range" mentioned in the NDTV article is actually the strike Radius, which includes distance too and from its target and time spent over the target, which is why it much less than less its ferry range.

I hope you know, what ferry range is?

 

[Safriz]

Use a little common sense, lets say they added more stiffeners to strengthen the fuselage?
What would be the weight of these stiffeners, that they would reduce the range of a 20 tonne aircrafts to less than half it original?
Are you telling me, HAL added 10 tonnes of stiffeners to the airframe ? ..lol

The 1500 km "range" mentioned in the NDTV article is actually the strike Radius, which includes distance too and from its target and time spent over the target, which is why it much less than less its ferry range.

I hope you know, what ferry range is?

The pylons on Mki can carry one on max . Increasing that capacity 250% must have taken lots of metal welding on the plane.

 

[jaiind]

https://twitter.com/x/status/950557309620535298