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[sovcomflot]

Acts with children and daughter in law goes beyond feudalistic ..... it is called depraved.

Dalits are indeed victims of social oppression (which you call class) but so are the muslims today. That does not mean muslims get to define Hinduism either

Even the Gods you worshipped like Indra did such depraved acts. Also the brahmins twisted works on Shiva to make him look like a depraved sex maniac for Mohini.

Humans twist books to justify agendas.

Thats why I like saints.

 

[sankranti]

Even the Gods you worshipped like Indra did such depraved acts. Also the brahmins twisted works on Shiva to make him look like a depraved sex maniac for Mohini.

Humans twist books to justify agendas.

Thats why I like saints.

Shiva is ardhnareshwar........... Mohini was vishnu avatar sent to distract Shiva tandava which would have destroyed whole of creation. Mohini itself means "illusion" ...and illusion to distract Shiva and restore balance.

Indra is not worshiped in kal yug.

All this is just deflection. Fact remains that Hinduism gave clear instructions on how to preserve and develop society that was free from capitalists and Fascists. That too at least 3000 to 4000 years before the world started to realize what those meant.

 

[sovcomflot]

Shiva is ardhnareshwar........... Mohini was vishnu avatar sent to distract Shiva tandava which would have destroyed whole of creation. Mohini itself means "illusion" ...and illusion to distract Shiva and restore balance.

Indra is not worshiped in kal yug.

All this is just deflection. Fact remains that Hinduism gave clear instructions on how to preserve and develop society that was free from capitalists and Fascists. That too at least 3000 to 4000 years before the world started to realize what those meant.

shiva is ego less and free of desire.Yet captured by mohini seduction.Impossible. The Brahmins were lecharous and to justify their lustful nature,they made gods lustful.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Even the Gods you worshipped like Indra did such depraved acts. Also the brahmins twisted works on Shiva to make him look like a depraved sex maniac for Mohini.

Humans twist books to justify agendas.

Thats why I like saints.

Oops - first mistake you made
Indra is not idolized or worshipped by many. Everyone knows what he did. It is no secret. We don't have all perfect no wrong doing 'God'. We have human 'Devas'. Even today women are often called 'Devi'. It is a form of respect. Not much more.
Shiva was an 'uncouth barbarian' and Sati fell for her. Nobody and I repeat - nobody is the ultimate ideal of a man. Everyone has flaws.
Mohini is an avatar of Vishnu. Shiva even spilled his seeds seeing her. Then Vishnu came back into his own form and shamed Shiva. Shows that even the high and mighty has its flaws. Nobody is perfect. Perfection is against nature, besides being subjective.

Say Krishna. Very powerful and worshipped by so many. But he did bad things too. How did he die? By the arrow of a peasant.
People worship their good deed. Not their bad ones. Einstein is taught in schools and loved by many. But he spurned 15 girlfriends and wives. Besides fathering the atomic bomb.

In Dharmic faiths 'Gods' like Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, Buddha, etc all have their own faults.
In contrast prophets are all knowing no mistake making perfect men that are to be emulated.
See the difference?

 

[sankranti]

shiva is ego less and free of desire.Yet captured by mohini seduction.Impossible. The Brahmins were lecharous and to justify their lustful nature,they made gods lustful.

Shiva is also short tempered and generous. The illusion was to distract shiva from his rage and that moment of distraction was enough to restore balance and free shiva.

The Brahmins were not vowed to celibacy. They had full permission and duty to marry and raise a family. They have no need to make the gods lustful to fulfill their sexual desires

Same cannot be said true for some prophets.

You should stick to spreading ignorance on islam rather than Hinduism.

 

[sovcomflot]

Oops - first mistake you made
Indra is not idolized or worshipped by many. Everyone knows what he did. It is no secret. We don't have all perfect no wrong doing 'God'. We have human 'Devas'. Even today women are often called 'Devi'. It is a form of respect. Not much more.
Shiva was an 'uncouth barbarian' and Sati fell for her. Nobody and I repeat - nobody is the ultimate ideal of a man. Everyone has flaws.
Mohini is an avatar of Vishnu. Shiva even spilled his seeds seeing her. Then Vishnu came back into his own form and shamed Shiva. Shows that even the high and mighty has its flaws. Nobody is perfect. Perfection is against nature, besides being subjective.

Say Krishna. Very powerful and worshipped by so many. But he did bad things too. How did he die? By the arrow of a peasant.
People worship their good deed. Not their bad ones. Einstein is taught in schools and loved by many. But he spurned 15 girlfriends and wives. Besides fathering the atomic bomb.

In Dharmic faiths 'Gods' like Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, Buddha, etc all have their own faults.
In contrast prophets are all knowing no mistake making perfect men that are to be emulated.
See the difference?

Shiva was an 'uncouth barbarian' and Sati fell for her. Nobody and I repeat - nobody is the ultimate ideal of a man. Everyone has flaws.

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Maybe you should research on the indonesian shiva buddha hindu-buddhist combine cult or on Samantabhadra ,the primordial buddha. or the blue god of Judaism .

There are big distortions in the original works of hinduism by Brahmins.That many Buddhist and sufis have said.

 

[Iggy]

How about uniform civil code and casteless society for a start ?

All for that mate, you get my whole hearted support for that.. But it can be done by political bodies right? How can religious bodies issue orders for it? I mean you really think a religious body's order's will be accepted by other religious organisations and bodies?

 

[sovcomflot]

Shiva is also short tempered and generous. The illusion was to distract shiva from his rage and that moment of distraction was enough to restore balance and free shiva.

The Brahmins were not vowed to celibacy. They had full permission and duty to marry and raise a family. They have no need to make the gods lustful to fulfill their sexual desires

They had full permission and duty to marry and raise a family. They have no need to make the gods lustful to fulfill their sexual desires

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You should stick to spreading ignorance on islam rather than Hinduism.

Actually yes. What I say is right. There were civil wars b/w Vaishnavites and Shaivities.Many of the mythologies were changed again and again.

They had full permission and duty to marry and raise a family. They have no need to make the gods lustful to fulfill their sexual desires

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Actually they did to fulfil their womanizing because if Gods did it then why not Brahmins.It was a form of indirect religious backing. Devdasi system was also similiar.

Mohini is also a sexual demoness worshipped by Vamamarga black tantric practitioners .Mohini cannot be a Vishnu avatar . Amitabha,Guru Nanak ,Padamasambhava are Vishnu/Amitabha incarnation according to Tibetan Buddhists.

 

[sankranti]

All for that mate, you get my whole hearted support for that.. But it can be done by political bodies right? How can religious bodies issue orders for it? I mean you really think a religious body's order's will be accepted by other religious organisations and bodies?

Caste is a social problem with social and religious roots so religion has a role in correcting it as well.

Muslim law board has social and religious roots too so here too religion (or in this case oposing religion) has a role in correcting it.

Sati was banned by Christians so there is a precedent for opposite religion imposing corrective action too.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Maybe you should research on the indonesian shiva buddha hindu-buddhist combine cult or on Samantabhadra ,the primordial buddha. or the blue god of Judaism .

There are big distortions in the original works of hinduism by Brahmins.That many Buddhist and sufis have said.

Hinduism is not a monolith. There is no 'Manua I am a Shaivaite. There are differences between Hindus of Kashmir and Kanyakumari.
There is also no perfect manual for being a Perfect Hindu

 

[sankranti]

Actually yes. What I say is right. There were civil wars b/w Vaishnavites and Shaivities.Many of the mythologies were changed again and again.

Actually they did to fulfil their womanizing because if Gods did it then why not Brahmins.It was a form of indirect religious backing. Devdasi system was also similiar.

Mohini is also a sexual demoness worshipped by Vamamarga black tantric practitioners .Mohini cannot be a Vishnu avatar . Amitabha,Guru Nanak ,Padamasambhava are Vishnu/Amitabha incarnation according to Tibetan Buddhists.

Social and Cultural practices is different from teachings of Hinduism.

Brahmins are supposed to follow a strict code of conduct irrespective of what the gods does. That code of conduct is still practiced by most brahmins. At least the essence of those practices are still held are worthy.

There is no mention of Devdasi system in Hinduism. It is a social / cultural practice probably stated for providing harem to the local king. The first evidence of Devdasi is during the fall of Buddhism and it is held that the initial "devadasis" are the Buddhist nuns who were degraded to the level of prostitutes after the temples were taken over by the Brahmins during the times of their resurgence after the fall of Buddhism.

Political patronage of temples resulted in compromises which was more political in nature than religious. In fact it can be contributed to the moral vacuum that resulted from the fall of Medieval Buddhism.

The original inscriptions of Dev Dasi were nuns who were dedicated to god like Mera bai.

Mohini is Rajas and hence an extension of Vishnu's creation not his avatar.

Only the left handed Tantric practice i.e. vamamarg is focused on Shakti in all its form. Not on any demoness. Just because that vamamarg practices are non traditional does not mean they are demonic in nature .... in Hinduism all paths lead to god.

War between Vaishnavites and Shaivities were political wars, not religious wars.

 

[Iggy]

Caste is a social problem with social and religious roots so religion has a role in correcting it as well.

Muslim law board has social and religious roots too so here too religion (or in this case oposing religion) has a role in correcting it.

Sati was banned by Christians so there is a precedent for opposite religion imposing corrective action too.

Sati was banned by Britishers.. You cannot take it in religious angle.. People like Raja Mohan Roy was very much vocal about it.. Religion cannot play a vital role in social development mate.. Government has to do something about it.. It is what my take..

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Sati was banned by Britishers.. You cannot take it in religious angle.. People like Raja Mohan Roy was very much vocal about it.. Religion cannot play a vital role in social development mate.. Government has to do something about it.. It is what my take..

Faith can play a role. But society is the first priority. Religion is for the people not the other way round.

 

[Iggy]

Faith can play a role. But society is the first priority. Religion is for the people not the other way round.

I was replying in the context of only religious bodies can be responsible for social development mate..
@sankranti can you tell me why Indra is not worshipped in Kalyug?.. It was bugging me for a long time.. I mean he is supposed to the king of Devas but do not see him worshiped anywhere

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I was replying in the context of only religious bodies can be responsible for social development mate..
@sankranti can you tell me why Indra is not worshipped in Kalyug?.. It was bugging me for a long time.. I mean he is supposed to the king of Devas but do not see him worshiped anywhere

Yeah .. I agree with you...Was not contradicting you
I don't really know the exact reason why he is not worshiped in general. But there are references to him. As the King of Devas(not Gods IMO) he is more of a ruler. He deserves to be worshipped by politicians perhaps.

On a serious note, some yagnas do refer to him, I may be wrong here, but yeah dedicated Indra bhakts have never been seen.
Compared to the qualities of other forms of the Paramatma, Indra cuts a sorry figure. So if someone wants to - great go ahead - send me some prasad. But I personally never have.

I was replying in the context of only religious bodies can be responsible for social development mate..
@sankranti can you tell me why Indra is not worshipped in Kalyug?.. It was bugging me for a long time.. I mean he is supposed to the king of Devas but do not see him worshiped anywhere

@seiko - you can read this. Might help.
I am a novice. I am not very religious/ritualistic but more spiritual.

http://ancientindians.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/krishna-opposes-worship-of-indra-reasons-given/