India slow to expand Iran port

[danger007]

Iranians must understand Indians make a living out of selling lies. 3rd world gutter state is not able to tackle projects of such magnitude.

You live in 3rd world .. better look your ground before you talk nonsense. Stupid..

 

[pakistani342]

I agree with you...Let us give respect where it is due.

Forgive me but you're misquoting me:
I said give credit where it is due -- not respect
For example the credit (or responsibility) for the rape and torching of about a thousand Gujrati Muslims goes to Modi.

Whether, thus Modi qualifies for respect is another matter altogether.[/QUOTE]

 

[Nilgiri]

For example the credit (or responsibility) for the rape and torching of about a thousand Gujrati Muslims goes to Modi.

No it doesn't.

The Indian supreme court cleared him after years of investigation and legal procedures.

They had multitudes and magnitudes more in-depth information than you as a random (biased) somebody could ever hope to have on the matter.

 

[Kraitcorp]

Damn Pakistanis and their fantasies. Its always good to keep the Pakistani's guessing

http://theiranproject.com/blog/2016/10/03/chabahar-development-project-making-rapid-progress/
October 3, 2016

 

[pakistani342]

No it doesn't.

The Indian supreme court cleared him after years of investigation and legal procedures.

They had multitudes and magnitudes more in-depth information than you as a random (biased) somebody could ever hope to have on the matter.

Yes, the Pakistani generals responsible for 1971 (and I guess even the criminal Hafeez Saeed) have never been declared guilty by the supreme court of Pakistan or any other court to the best of my knowledge. I'm sure you would buy the same argument in their case too. [unlikely]

Nailing a powerful politician in the 3rd world is akin to levitating an elephant on a thin thread. [but you must have known this -- if you had not: then you are clearly stu___ and if you have then it's worse: you are dishonest] -- [so which are you?]

In arguably one of the best justice systems in the world: the US -- OJ Simpson got off for murder where he wielded the murder weapon -- how many takers for his innocence = 0.

But let me pose a more profound question: do you and the Indians who pounce to his defense really really believe in your heart of hearts that he is inculpable [not the answer you will give here or to a Pakistani or your Muslim friend or to your American client or tourist -- but the one your really really believe in].

That you will find it hard to find an India who will admit the shamefulness of Modi being elected as the prime minster of India on a public forum (including the intellectual left) is stunning: shameful in my humble opinion and mind boggling.

As someone (me) who has always defended India (on this forum and in my life -- you can check my record) -- the democratic election by a landslide of a criminal like Modi in the great secular nation of India is the reification of our secular elders' seeming paranoid prophecies.

Even a stunted democracy, one wracked with religiosity, like Pakistan has not yet elected a religious zealot with so much blood on his hands to the highest office in the nation.

Thank you Jinnah sab thank you.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes, the Pakistani generals responsible for 1971 (and I guess even the criminal Hafeez Saeed) have never been declared guilty by the supreme court of Pakistan or any other court to the best of my knowledge.

I have next to no respect for the Pakistan supreme court given it has operated without batting an eyelid under unconstitutional regimes (which Pakistan has a nasty habit of seeing quite regularly in its history). So I don't give a damn who it does or doesn't find guilty. It is appropriately rated in various international institutional indices as well.

Now if you want to have a big cry about Modi, you are free to do so. It doesn't mean much to people who have actually read into depth about his connection and responsibility to the Gujarat riots...rather than rely on rumors and hearsay.

Enjoy your coups, so called non-religious zealot leaders and the fact Pakistan is not a country with a military but the other way around.....and what the perception of your country is worldwide regarding "religious zealots". All have made Pakistan into such a beacon of liberalism, tolerance and progressiveness indeed.

So you can thank jinnah all you want, but I wonder what he would say about your country right now.....esp after Zia and co had their way with it and left their indelible mark.

We as a country have buried the two nation theory long ago.....what people from its vestige that is known as Pakistan think of our elected leaders is quite irrelevant. In fact the more they hate or despise them, the more great that leader most likely is for us. Long live Modi and the BJP and long live high economic growth and development.

I still remember the predictions that there will be Gujarat scale riots every day in India coming from the Modi-haters regarding him coming to power. Its funny that India is socially stable as ever, if not more.

 

[pakistani342]

I have next to no respect for the Pakistan supreme court given it has operated without batting an eyelid under unconstitutional regimes (which Pakistan has a nasty habit of seeing quite regularly in its history). So I don't give a damn who it does or doesn't find guilty. It is appropriately rated in various international institutional indices as well.

Very well -- but these other [Hafeez Saeed et. al] have not been declared guilty by the the International Court of Justice or even the Indian Supreme Court -- so I guess what you are saying is that they too are pristine humanitarians like Modi sab? [and if not I wonder why?]

Oh just for my interest could you kindly share some of these "various international institutional indices as well" -- that rate justice systems -- I'm dying to find out what they say about us -- ours in the US acquitted OJ Simpson wonder how we rate on that scale

Now if you want to have a big cry about Modi, you are free to do so. It doesn't mean much to people who have actually read into depth about his connection and responsibility to the Gujarat riots...rather than rely on rumors and hearsay.

Actually no: I would disagree with you on that count -- from someone who has studied the Gujrat riots there is a preponderance of evidence of his culpability. But if not me: there is a reason that even the US state department which brushes aside such compulsions for the sake of national interest refused to give him a visa -- now whether you do or do not buy it: clearly the US department of State is a far more competent institution than anything the Indian government would have to offer.

Enjoy your coups, so called non-religious zealot leaders and the fact Pakistan is not a country with a military but the other way around.....and what the perception of your country is worldwide regarding "religious zealots". All have made Pakistan into such a beacon of liberalism, tolerance and progressiveness indeed.

The discussion was about Modi and the fact that he got elected in a landslide in a democratic election -- what do the Pakistani coups have to do with that. Or the perception of the Pakistani. Let's stick to Modi ji and how he got elected by a democratic secular India to the highest office after his heinous crimes.

So you can thank jinnah all you want, but I wonder what he would say about your country right now.....esp after Zia and co had their way with it and left their indelible mark.

Oh I'm sure like most parents he would be profusely disappointed in Pakistan and especially Zia -- but again we're talking about how Modi got elected to the highest office in India after the rape and butchering of hundreds of Indian Muslims -- doesn't make Zia and angel -- we can surely open a topic/thread to heap him with platitudes.

We as a country have buried the two nation theory long ago.....what people from its vestige that is known as Pakistan think of our elected leaders is quite irrelevant.

Again the point was what Indians think of him ... primarily ... and that they elected a butcher like him to the highest office. The Nation of Ghandhi and Nehru elected Chappan-inch-ki-chatti-wala??? How on earth did a travesty like that happen.

In fact the more they hate or despise them, the more great that leader most likely is for us. Long live Modi and the BJP and long live high economic growth and development.

Really -- how high-schoolish of you -- Long Live Modi ?? really -- Long Live -- I guess we live in two different universes. I in the universe of skepticism and reason: you in the universe of ... well in some peculiar reality where the words "Long Live X" have resonance -- let me make a go at imagining myself in your universe: death-to-jingoism ???

I still remember the predictions that there will be Gujarat scale riots every day in India coming from the Modi-haters regarding him coming to power. Its funny that India is socially stable as ever, if not more.

Well so was Afghanistan stable under the Taliban -- I hate to quote jenabe-CEO CEO Abdullah Abdullah but he is right: you can hardly celebrate stability in a graveyard. [paraphrase him really]

So again I wonder what you really believe in your heart of hearts -- would be a dire disappointing shame if you actually believe any of what you have said above -- at least religiosity has blinded the Pakistani; it is a well known disease its symptoms well established. What has befallen the Indian? Possibly wounds of centuries [Wounded as in V.S. Naipal]

Long live sanity, Long live reason !!! --- mmm, nah just doesn't have a ring to it :-( -- perhaps because it doesn't need one.

 

[Nilgiri]

Oh just for my interest could you kindly share some of these "various international institutional indices as well" -- that rate justice systems -- I'm dying to find out what they say about us -- ours in the US acquitted a OJ Simpson wonder how we rate on that scale

Look up the World Governance Indicators from the World Bank.

Another would be the fragility index.

Both of them have rule of law components I believe.

Sorry my eyes glazed over the rest of your post....you obviously did not look into the specifics of why the US denied him a visa. It did not hold him culpable for any deaths, but was more of a concern regarding "religious freedom".....This was all demanded by the UPA govt anyway. It is why the same US state department rescinded this ban once the Indian supreme court cleared him which also happened to coincide with the period where he likely was going to win the 2014 election (in fact he needed that final clearance to run for PM). Its also why next to no other western democracies followed suit with the US, given the UPA only cared about the US (and I think the UK as well) in this political sense.

So like I said, the Indian supreme court bears much more relevance and authenticity to me than what some person on a Pakistani defence board keeps parroting....especially given it was the supreme court investigation under an opposition govt who would have pushed everything they could to try get something to stick (and this is actually a good thing when it happened given it adds to the credibility). Credit goes to our supreme court for being neutral and independent.

And yes long live Modi, may he have as many terms as possible....given the economic growth and strong foreign policy with transparent corruption free cabinet that they bring to India.....along with reforms, notably bureaucratic and economic.

If he annoys you lot, I only need to see who he annoys within India and come to the conclusion he is doing something very right. The results speak for themselves.

Still waiting on the doom and gloom daily massive carnage of muslims and minorities that was predicted when he came to power. Instead we see more people supporting him, his popularity remains firm across the country at near 80%....that includes plenty of Muslims too.

Now if you want to continue this conversation, you can create a post in the Indian political corner thread (what you think of Modi etc). This thread is about a different subject so lets not derail it any further.

 

[pakistani342]

Look up the World Governance Indicators from the World Bank.

Another would be the fragility index.

Both of them have rule of law components I believe.

Oh I mistook you assertion to mean you had something that you were sure off -- perhaps an explicit law index -- or perhaps the explicit proportions laid out neatly ?? Ah well ... my enlightenment will have to wait for another day ... :-/

Sorry my eyes glazed over the rest of your post

mmm I wonder why ... ?

....you obviously did not look into the specifics of why the US denied him a visa. It did not hold him culpable for any deaths, but was more of a concern regarding "religious freedom".....

No my dear -- that simply is not true -- I've avidly followed the material on the subject.

This was all demanded by the UPA govt anyway. It is why the same US state department rescinded this ban once the Indian supreme court cleared him which also happened to coincide with the period where he likely was going to win the 2014 election (in fact he needed that final clearance to run for PM).

No my dear -- After he got elected, officials connected to the state department said: that the rules for head of states are different -- meaning if he was not a head of state the earlier rulings would apply.

Its also why next to no other western democracies followed suit with the US, given the UPA only cared about the US (and I think the UK as well) in this political sense.

That by in itself means nothing -- all the wonderful humanitarians like Gen Zia have not been denied a visa either ... (dah)

So like I said, the Indian supreme court bears much more relevance and authenticity to me than what some person on a Pakistani defence board keeps parroting....especially given it was the supreme court investigation under an opposition govt who would have pushed everything they could to try get something to stick (and this is actually a good thing when it happened given it adds to the credibility). Credit goes to our supreme court for being neutral and independent.

My dear -- I'm not the one on trial here -- but I've yet to see those purported rankings that place the Indian Justice system ahead of the US Justice system. In the US Justice system 10-30% of people on death row are thought to be innocent -- now I could find a reference to this if you are interested.

And yes long live Modi, may he have as many terms as possible....given the economic growth and strong foreign policy with transparent corruption free cabinet that they bring to India.....along with reforms, notably bureaucratic and economic

Oh long live again -- are we???

If he annoys you lot, I only need to see who he annoys within India and come to the conclusion he is doing something very right. The results speak for themselves.

really -- that is an argument -- that he annoys me he's doing something right.

So by the same token can we say Hafez Saeed annoys you --> hence he is doing something right -- not in my book at least, and not by a long long shot. -- not very smart are you?

Still waiting on the doom and gloom daily massive carnage of muslims and minorities that was predicted when he came to power. Instead we see more people supporting him, his popularity remains firm across the country at near 80%....that includes plenty of Muslims too.

Why would I wait for that -- many Jews also supported the rise of Hitler -- clearly they were mistakened -- and pogroms with all the transparency these days are a bit difficult to conduct (I'm sure Modi is not pleased)

Now if you want to continue this conversation, you can create a post in the Indian political corner thread (what you think of Modi etc). This thread is about a different subject so lets not derail it any further.

My dear -- did you not start this by responding to me. I was having a conversation with someone else ....?

Here let me make another go at it (I close one eye)

Long live reason, sanity, skepticism -- death to jingoism -- hmmm nope still no ring to it :-( .... oh I feel dirty

 

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

The Modi government’s appalling inefficiency and lack of purpose stand exposed, says Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar.

My archives on India-Iran relations include a clipping from DNA newspaper from Mumbai, going back to May last year. It is a Press Trust of India report, Iran’s Chabahar port to be operational by December 2016: Nitin Gadkari, based on an exclusive interview with the Union minister of transport, coinciding with his visit to Teheran to finalise the Chabahar project.

Gadkari was quoted as saying, ‘Work has started on the Chabahar port. There is a joint venture of Kandla Port Trust and Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust… We will start port activities in a year or a year-and-a-half… I have given the orders to bring out tenders for purchasing cranes for the port. An agreement will be signed within a month.’

Last week, however, when PTI took another exclusive interview with Gadkari, it transpired that the goal post has been shifted. Gadkari said: ‘The work on the (Chabahar) project will begin soon once the tender is over.’ He was speaking after holding a ‘trilateral’ with his Iranian and Afghan counterparts in New Delhi (according to the Times of India).

A sense of unease arises. What is going on? Will Chabahar container port ever see the light of day? As far back as February, the Union Cabinet had given approval for the proposal by the ministry of shipping for provision and operationalisation of credit of $150 million from EXIM Bank for the development of Chabahar port. The PMO website took note of the rationale behind the cabinet decision:

Chabahar Port lies outside the Persian Gulf in Iran and will help in expanding maritime commerce in the region. India is negotiating this project to facilitate the growing trade and investment with Iran and other countries in the region, notably Afghanistan and also to provide opportunities to Indian companies to penetrate and enhance their footprint in the region.

Indeed, Chabahar is the most strategic project that India ever undertook abroad. It is a lynchpin that could hold together on a single platform our diverse yet inter-related policies toward three key countries to the west in our extended neighbourhood -- Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Chabahar region is fast shaping up as the epicentre of the geopolitics of the Southwest Asian region where the strong undercurrents in regional politics over Giligt-Baltistan, One Belt One Road, CPEC, Baluchistan, Gwadar, etc crisscross. In fact, foreign devils have been sighted on the Silk Road in that region -- including, allegedly, someone with an Indian name Kulbhushan Yadav. (Dawn)

On Wednesday, Bloomberg dropped a bombshell. The Hong Kong-based paper simply sent down a man to Chabahar to check out what is going on out there. This is how the depressing report began:

‘When the leaders of India, Iran and Afghanistan gathered in Tehran in the spring for a ceremony marking India’s development of a strategic Iranian port, they recited Persian poetry and said their partnership would “alter the course of history.”

On a recent visit, roughly 13 years after India first agreed to develop the port of Chabahar, a single ship floated at the main jetty. Most of the cargo containers scattered in an asphalt lot bore the logo of the state-owned Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines. In an adjacent harbor, a dozen wooden dhows, or traditional fishing boats, bobbed in the water.

Months after the ceremony in May (during PM Modi’s visit to Iran) and pledges by India to inject $500 million into the project, the much-heralded port of Chabahar remains a sleepy outpost -- as well as a shadow of the Chinese-built port of Gwadar, 100 kilometers (62 miles) to the east across Iran’s border with Pakistan.

Despite PM Modi’s imprimatur on the Chabahar project and despite one of the handful of able ministers in the Indian Cabinet piloting the project’s implementation, if we are moving at such glacial pace, it is a sad state of affairs. The Modi government’s appalling inefficiency and lack of purpose stand exposed.

Iran attaches high priority to the development of Chabahar, which is located in the eastern province of Sistan-Baluchistan bordering Pakistan. At a recent meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani showed interest in collaborating with the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.


http://www.rediff.com/business/column/column-if-india-cant-build-chabahar-china-will/20161008.htm

 

[艹艹艹]

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani showed interest in collaborating with the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

 

[barbarosa]

The Modi government’s appalling inefficiency and lack of purpose stand exposed, says Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar.

My archives on India-Iran relations include a clipping from DNA newspaper from Mumbai, going back to May last year. It is a Press Trust of India report, Iran’s Chabahar port to be operational by December 2016: Nitin Gadkari, based on an exclusive interview with the Union minister of transport, coinciding with his visit to Teheran to finalise the Chabahar project.

Gadkari was quoted as saying, ‘Work has started on the Chabahar port. There is a joint venture of Kandla Port Trust and Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust… We will start port activities in a year or a year-and-a-half… I have given the orders to bring out tenders for purchasing cranes for the port. An agreement will be signed within a month.’

Last week, however, when PTI took another exclusive interview with Gadkari, it transpired that the goal post has been shifted. Gadkari said: ‘The work on the (Chabahar) project will begin soon once the tender is over.’ He was speaking after holding a ‘trilateral’ with his Iranian and Afghan counterparts in New Delhi (according to the Times of India).

A sense of unease arises. What is going on? Will Chabahar container port ever see the light of day? As far back as February, the Union Cabinet had given approval for the proposal by the ministry of shipping for provision and operationalisation of credit of $150 million from EXIM Bank for the development of Chabahar port. The PMO website took note of the rationale behind the cabinet decision:

Chabahar Port lies outside the Persian Gulf in Iran and will help in expanding maritime commerce in the region. India is negotiating this project to facilitate the growing trade and investment with Iran and other countries in the region, notably Afghanistan and also to provide opportunities to Indian companies to penetrate and enhance their footprint in the region.

Indeed, Chabahar is the most strategic project that India ever undertook abroad. It is a lynchpin that could hold together on a single platform our diverse yet inter-related policies toward three key countries to the west in our extended neighbourhood -- Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Chabahar region is fast shaping up as the epicentre of the geopolitics of the Southwest Asian region where the strong undercurrents in regional politics over Giligt-Baltistan, One Belt One Road, CPEC, Baluchistan, Gwadar, etc crisscross. In fact, foreign devils have been sighted on the Silk Road in that region -- including, allegedly, someone with an Indian name Kulbhushan Yadav. (Dawn)

On Wednesday, Bloomberg dropped a bombshell. The Hong Kong-based paper simply sent down a man to Chabahar to check out what is going on out there. This is how the depressing report began:

‘When the leaders of India, Iran and Afghanistan gathered in Tehran in the spring for a ceremony marking India’s development of a strategic Iranian port, they recited Persian poetry and said their partnership would “alter the course of history.”

On a recent visit, roughly 13 years after India first agreed to develop the port of Chabahar, a single ship floated at the main jetty. Most of the cargo containers scattered in an asphalt lot bore the logo of the state-owned Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines. In an adjacent harbor, a dozen wooden dhows, or traditional fishing boats, bobbed in the water.

Months after the ceremony in May (during PM Modi’s visit to Iran) and pledges by India to inject $500 million into the project, the much-heralded port of Chabahar remains a sleepy outpost -- as well as a shadow of the Chinese-built port of Gwadar, 100 kilometers (62 miles) to the east across Iran’s border with Pakistan.

Despite PM Modi’s imprimatur on the Chabahar project and despite one of the handful of able ministers in the Indian Cabinet piloting the project’s implementation, if we are moving at such glacial pace, it is a sad state of affairs. The Modi government’s appalling inefficiency and lack of purpose stand exposed.

Iran attaches high priority to the development of Chabahar, which is located in the eastern province of Sistan-Baluchistan bordering Pakistan. At a recent meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani showed interest in collaborating with the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.


http://www.rediff.com/business/column/column-if-india-cant-build-chabahar-china-will/20161008.htm

Iran should build chabahar by China.

 

[艹艹艹]

Iran should build chabahar by China.

The construction of Gwadar Port（CPEC） is starting from the strategic level.
Gwadar Port（CPEC） link Silk Road on land and sea silk road.
Gwadar Port （CPEC）behind the strong financial support platform(AIIB).
The full support of the government and the military in Pakistan.
China and Pakistan are all weather brothers，We have political mutual trust.
China is the manufacturing center of the world， also a big consumer

 

[graphican]

China is a much better contender to build Chahbahar fo Iran. They have surplus funds, efficient work-force and strategic interest to build Chahbahar and Gwadar together. Why shouldn't Iran look towards them instead?

 

[barbarosa]

Chinese construction of Gwadar Port（CPEC） is starting from the strategic level.
Gwadar Port（CPEC） link Silk Road on land and sea silk road.
Gwadar Port （CPEC）behind the strong financial support platform(AIIB).
China is the manufacturing center of the world

100% AGREE WITH YOU.