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India simply cannot afford to boycott “Made in China”

Don't worry, India will partly succeed in this boycott initiative, Chinese merchants are relocating some capacity to Pakistan and Africa, India will soon import 'Made in Pakistan' and 'Made in Ethiopia' since they will be cheaper than 'Made in China'.:D
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India's trade deficit with China rose to $46.56 billion last year. China's exports to India totaled $58.33 billion, registering a meager increase of 0.2% compared to $58.25 billion in 2015. India's exports to China dropped 12% from 2015 to $11.76 billion. "

Their boycotting China campaign did little for its purpose while in China we quietly achieved that goal with huge success.
 
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and the deficit is ever increasing as we speak you funny deluded Indian```:lol:
your primitive fedual alike India cant even make quality and cheap fabrics like flags have to import, not to mention almost all of your capital goods, services and supporting technologies are all foreign imported, and mostly from China```tell me kid, for decades you clueless bunches have been bragging to be the "new manufacturing hub" but your industrial capability is still as primitive as before,```

yes, there are lots sellers, but how many of your so-called $5-per-day "middile-calss" can really afford? with your brag much PPP?
Can Indians buy Chinese goods and services using PPP money?
 
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Do not laugh, what this Chinese absolutely true

Chinese is advanced puwa which has spawned the Iron age,bronze age and industrial revolutions.

It is said USA and Japan maintain large underground reserves of Chinese goods fearing when China may launch a trade embargo on them causing both Japan and USA to go into dark ages

Here is there proof :

Chinese exports to India in 2015:

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Notice Chinese products forming major share in Indian imports are:

Umbrellas
Silk
articles made of feathers
Toys
Articles of leather
Knitted or crocheted fabrics
Musical instruments
Manufactures of straw
Ceramic products
Headgear and parts thereof
textile articles of a kind suitable
Footwear, gaiters and the like;
Furniture;
Other base metals; cermets;
Electrical machinery and equipment and parts thereof; sound recorders and reproducers, television . .
Other vegetable textile fibres

If China does decide to ban export of umbrellas, Prepared feathers, Toys, leather its etc :lol: life in India will come to standstill.


http://trademap.org/Product_SelProductCountry.aspx


Infact some Chinese imports to India are so critical,

Indians are risking jail to smuggle Chinese medicines :

Man jailed for selling Indian cancer drugs online
By Viola Ke | February 5, 2015, Thursday |
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A 34-YEAR-OLD man who sold unapproved Indian cancer drugs at higher prices online was sentenced to one and a half years in jail.

This case was among the 32 “fake drug” cases handled by the Pudong New Area People’s Court since 2013. Six of those cases involved buying drugs overseas while the rest involved selling counterfeit foreign medicine. Under Chinese law, sales of foreign medicines that are not approved by the State Food and Drug Administration are termed as “fake drugs.”

Lu Guangyi, the judge who handled this case, said most of the time the illegal activity started from the need for medicines in one’s own family.

In this case, the seller, surnamed Zhang, whose mother was diagnosed with cancer, heard that the Indian generic drug Gefitinib, trade name Iressa, might prove effective for his mother and bought them from overseas agents.

The court said Zhang bought the medicines, without the nation’s import permit, and sold it at higher prices between October, 2012 and September, 2013. He also asked some others to keep the medicine in stock for him. On September 3, 2013, police raided his residence and seized 1,140 pills of Gefitinib.

Zhang told the court that he bought 30 bottles of Gefitinib but after his mother died in August, 2013, he sold part of the drugs and also gave away some of them for free to other patients.

He said because this medicine was legal in India, it never struck him that it could labeled “fake drug” in China.

Judge Lu said as the drugs were not approved by the FDA it was deemed risky to patients’ health.

Recently a leukemia patient Lu Yong from Wuxi, Jiangsu Province, was arrested for purchasing unlicensed cancer drugs overseas.

He was released after prosecutors withdrew the charges after more than 300 leukemia patients’ appealed for his pardon.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/...ling-Indian-cancer-drugs-online/shdaily.shtml
 
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If China does decide to ban export of umbrellas, Prepared feathers, Toys, leather its etc :lol: life in India will come to standstill.

Damn man, now you scared me. I am going to stock up on those umbrellas and toys or may be leather toys just to prepare for Armageddon. :D
 
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India simply cannot afford to boycott “Made in China”
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September 18, 2017 Quartz India

A few days after the Doklam standoff erupted in June, a series of bizarre online advertisements interspersed my surfing experience. A televangelist yoga teacher-cum-entrepreneur started exhorting Indians to start boycotting Chinese goods. Presumably the Indian conglomerate that the yoga teacher fronts sensed an opportunity to expand its product lines.

The yoga teacher wasn’t the only person advocating the boycott of Chinese goods. The Swadeshi Jagran Manch, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), and other front organisations for the ruling dispensation all made similar high-decibel noises. The arguments they proffered in favour of Swadeshi are stupid.

Swadeshi is a stupid idea under most circumstances and especially so when it is applied to the India-China trade relationship. This is the argument its proponents offer:

  1. China is an enemy.
  2. India buys lots of Chinese goods.
  3. If India stops buying Chinese goods, China would hurt more because it has a trade surplus with us.
  4. Indians could start producing such goods domestically and, thus, stimulate the domestic industry.
  5. If India stopped importing goods from abroad in general and produced everything domestically, it would have a strong economy.
On the face of it, this might seem a plausible set of premises connected by a glib chain of logic. So let’s address them one by one.

1. ‘China is an enemy’
Perhaps true. It is certainly very friendly with one of India’s neighbours, which New Delhi does not get on with. It also has live border disputes with India (and Bhutan) in multiple places. China has excellent relationships and huge economic ties with several other neighbours. In Facebook-speak, India’s relationship with some of these neighbours is complicated.

For instance, India’s relationship with Nepal has deteriorated because of objections over its new constitution, adopted in 2015. That year, it imposed an unofficial blockade of goods into the Himalayan nation to protest against it.

India’s relationship with Myanmar is more or less okay except that Naypyidaw was quite unhappy about Delhi tom-tomming surgical strikes against Naga insurgents in its territory in 2015.

Our relationship with Sri Lanka is so-so and likely to remain that way because of the ill-conceived military operation led by the Indian Peace Keeping Force in the island nation in the late 1980s.

With regard to Bangladesh, the enclave business has been largely sorted out with the historic land swap in 2015 but there are still disputes about river-water sharing. There is a knee-jerk tendency among Indians to scream about illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. There is also a knee-jerk tendency for Bangladesh to scream about being bullied by its bigger neighbour. There are also accusations that Indian separatists have havens in Bangladesh and that Bangladeshis are part of Islamic terror networks.

Is China an implacable enemy? No. There are gazillions of Indian businesses working out of China and in joint ventures with Chinese firms. China has large investments in India. Delhi and Beijing have been on the same page in international forums where our interests have converged. Chinese companies, including many firms where Chinese government entities hold large stakes, have bid for all sorts of Indian projects and participated in major tenders.

There are multiple signals that the Chinese would like to expand its business relationship with India despite the border disputes and the disagreement over China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which Delhi has refused to join.

China has always been pragmatic about trade ties. It has every reason to hate Japan, for instance. Millions of Chinese died due to Japanese atrocities during a long, vicious war in the first half of the 20th century. There are current tensions, including eyeball-to-eyeball confrontations between the naval forces of both countries in the South China Sea. However, China and Japan also have a huge trade relationship and this is one reason why geopolitical experts believe that actual hostilities are unlikely.

The reasons for India staying engaged on the trade front with China are similar. Maybe the Chinese see India purely as a trade partner and as a large market. But if you take away trade relationships, China would have no reason not to take actions, or to enable actions by our neighbours that would harm India. It may well choose to step up the pressure on every front if it was not greedy for potential profits.

2. ‘India buys lots of Chinese goods’
Yes indeed, India buys all sorts of stuff ranging from solar power equipment and high-end electronics to plastic buckets, Hindu idols, and winter coats. China’s exports to India were an estimated $61 billion in 2016-17 while India’s exports to China were $10 billion in that period. So China has an enormous surplus with regard to India.

3. ‘If India stops buying Chinese goods, the Chinese would hurt more because China has a trade surplus’
Looking at India’s trade deficit with China in the context of gross domestic product or GDP, however, China has less exposure. Its exports to India amount to about 2.7% of India’s GDP (about $2.26 trillion in 2016, according to World Bank data) and about 0.5% of Chinese GDP (about $11.2 trillion in 2016, according to the World Bank). India’s exports to China amount to about 0.08% of Chinese GDP and about 0.45% of Indian GDP.

If there was a trade war, India would have to source the same goods from elsewhere and ditto for China. India is internationally competitive in the things it offers to China. Similarly, China offers good value in its exports to India. But both India and China would also need to find other markets and that would not be easy since both nations are large markets themselves.

As a thought experiment, assume that both countries have to pay a 10% premium to source from elsewhere, China then pays the equivalent of 0.09% of its GDP and an absolute amount of about $11 billion while India pays the equivalent of 2.9% of GDP and an absolute amount of about $66 billion.

Which nation loses more?


4) ‘Indians could start producing those goods domestically and thus stimulate domestic industry’
Indians do not buy Chinese goods out of a desire to do charity. They buy them because imported alternatives are more expensive and India cannot produce the same things as cheaply at the same quality. If India tried to produce the same goods locally, or imported them from other nations, it would have to pay a premium either way. That premium would mean that Indians will have less money to spend elsewhere. More than that, it would mean the unproductive use of human resources and of capital.

5) ‘If India stopped importing goods from abroad in general and produced everything domestically, it would have a strong economy’
No it would not. India tried this idiocy for decades. It banned all imports (except the ones that were absolutely necessary) and produced shoddy overpriced Ambassador cars, fridges that did not cool, telephones that did not work, bottles with defective caps, paper cups with holes. Indians were fleeced by their compatriots for years in the name of swadeshi. What is more, producing goods domestically will not necessarily generate net employment. Chinese companies operating in India employ huge numbers. Those people would be laid off in a trade war.

There are also a few things India simply cannot produce domestically.

One is energy—India is woefully deficient in crude, high-grade coal and gas. It has to import these energy commodities and will always have to do so.

India is also deficient in rare-earth metals. These are required to produce solar power equipment, wind turbines, cellphones, laptops, and most other electronic gear. Guess which nation has a 90% global monopoly in rare earths? Here is a hint—its initials read “PRC.” As India moves further in the direction of clean, green energy, it becomes ever more dependent on Chinese rare earths.

At the beginning I had said that swadeshi is a stupid idea under most conditions, not just in the India-China context. Let me explain why in a series of Q&As.

As mentioned earlier, India will always have to import some commodities, so:

How does one pay for imports?
By generating foreign exchange from exports.

How does one generate foreign exchange from exports?
By producing globally competitive goods and services.

How does one produce goods and services that are globally competitive?
By focussing capital and human resources in areas where there is a competitive edge. Economic theory says that if Nation A has a competitive advantage over Nation B in producing two separate items, Nation A should nevertheless focus on producing the one item where it has the larger margin.

How does one produce goods and services that are uncompetitive?
By squandering capital and resources in uncompetitive sectors swadeshi ensures the production of uncompetitive goods and services.

Even during the freedom movement, swadeshi caused a lot of hardship to poor people—an inconvenient fact pointed out by Rabindranath Tagore, among others. At that time, the justification was that Britain squeezed raw materials out of India at vastly subsidised prices (using a manipulated exchange rate) and then forced Indians to buy goods produced in the UK without giving Indians any choices.

That situation no longer holds. There is nothing stopping an Indian from buying stuff made anywhere, including domestically. India buys from China because it offers the best value equation. Swadeshi ideology under the current circumstances is like enthusiastically advocating self-harm.
https://qz.com/1079903/india-simply-cannot-afford-to-boycott-made-in-china/
Well it's a matter of will... for example .... the only made in China thing I own is an IPhone that too is a gift from my wife.... I make it a point to buy made in india stuff all the time.... I prefer to buy Made in India stuff...
 
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LOL, it is bound to fail for India to boycott "Mad In China", for two simple reasons:

1. Indian massese are very stingy and very price-sensitive;
2. Indian can't make anything cheaper themselves, and they can't buy anything cheaper anywhere else.
 
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LOL, it is bound to fail for India to boycott "Mad In China", for two simple reasons:

1. Indian massese are very stingy and very price-sensitive;
2. Indian can't make anything cheaper themselves, and they can't buy anything cheaper anywhere else.

You are right about Indians being stingy.
What you are ignorant about though is how vengeful Indian masses are when scorned.
 
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Damn man, now you scared me. I am going to stock up on those umbrellas and toys or may be leather toys just to prepare for Armageddon. :D

Remember without a Chinese umbrella import there is no human civilization. :D

Love your signature btw.

PS:Some Chinese here believe India mars success is due to some xyz made in China screws bolts etc used in ISRO

Well it's a matter of will... for example .... the only made in China thing I own is an IPhone that too is a gift from my wife.... I make it a point to buy made in india stuff all the time.... I prefer to buy Made in India stuff...
Just to add.
There is difference between "made in China" item like iphone and a product made by Chinese companies like say Xiaomi etc.

products such as iphone are sourced from some place else and counted as that nation's exports.
 
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India's trade deficit with China rose to $46.56 billion last year. China's exports to India totaled $58.33 billion, registering a meager increase of 0.2% compared to $58.25 billion in 2015. India's exports to China dropped 12% from 2015 to $11.76 billion. "

Their boycotting China campaign did little for its purpose while in China we quietly achieved that goal with huge success.

China is gradually stepping into middle-high income society in the next decades. We need face the reality that some low end or middle end manufacture capacities are going oversea. Although India still struggle to build its domestic manufacture capability in a hard way, we need prepare for this trend to keep our competitiveness as long as possible in some sectors.

Some leading goods marketplaces like Yi Wu and Lin Yin Trade Cities are opening oversea branches, this indicate a trend that we're pushing the logistic, goods distribution centers as near as possible to destination market to achieve more efficient productivity, this also indicate the factories are also required to be as close as possible to logistic centers, overall, this intend to construct a more competitive business work to adapt the change along with the booming of e-Commerce. This can be shorten as "logistic center"+"industrial park". e.g. CPEC's final goal is to establish such a business model, well it's only my understanding.

Even India successfully boycott some industrial products (they will), they can't compete with Chinese capital on quality/cost ratio, efficiency of delivery etc in foreseeable future.

We may see India's import or export to China keep relatively stable, or even decrease due to
1, India will import some goods from Pakistan, Africa to replace those import from China since some of such supply capacities are relocated to other countries, like Pakistan or Africa.
2, China will decrease import textile and raw material from India due to less requirement since some capacities are relocated to other countries.

We will indirectly help India to improve their balance sheet. :D
 
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You are right about Indians being stingy.
What you are ignorant about though is how vengeful Indian masses are when scorned.
When you ask Indian masses to pay double even triple the price to purchase their daily necessities you will see how far their vengeance go. Facts and figures clearly told the truth.
 
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Can Indians buy Chinese goods and services using PPP money?
nope, they either have to use their Dollar reserves to pay-off Chinese goods, or buying Dollars from the States, or borrowing from others````they are not only paying for the Chinese goods, but also interests and exchange rates to third parties```so a primitive country with no competitive industrial sectors are doomed to be two legged sheeps waiting to be "slaughtered" by advanced countries either industrially or economically
 
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