India should accept defeat before Kashmiris’ struggle, says Nawaz

[bloo]

It was harder to curb the insurgency back in the 90s and we didn't give up then so why should we accept anything during this smaller event that will be forgotten 2 months from now.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Does not matter.. a UN resolution is a resolution. First let them fulfill their owns.


Not true. UN resolution clearly says (though it does not remain valid), PA to vacate whole area of occupied Kashmir by pakistan including gilgit and baltistan. Hand it over to Indian government. then under UN observers, Indian government should maintain minimum security mostly comprising of local population. Once India is satisfied that condition is ripe and no external population is present, then it can agree to have referendum under its own constitution.

No It does not.
It nowhere says Pakistan Army or Pakistani Forces but references to tribesmen and civilians. Its only for India they have precisely mentioned about Indian Forces .
https://www.scribd.com/doc/159762116/The-1948-UN-Security-Council-Resolution-47-on-Kashmir

 

[hassamun]

No It does not.
It nowhere says Pakistan Army or Pakistani Forces but references to tribesmen and civilians. Its only for India they have precisely mentions about Indian Forces .
https://www.scribd.com/doc/159762116/The-1948-UN-Security-Council-Resolution-47-on-Kashmir

Below is the Official Link...FYKI...

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/47(1948)

 

[Jana Assassin]

So speaks the fan of renowned indian clown journalist Arnab goswami. If you want to get educated about world affairs then stop watching his circus on TV.

Pakistan and India dont need to withdraw forces to hold a plebiscite. That being said even if we withdraw forces Indians will never accept plebiscite in Kashmir as unlike you your leader actually know ground realities.

Oh if you dont want to accept the conditions set by the UN then maybe your countrymen should stop barking about the plebicite we promised to the UN...

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Below is the Official Link...FYKI...

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/47(1948)

Thanks!

 

[Jana Assassin]

If forces are to be withdrawn then it needs to be bilateral otherwise a plebiscite can be held under UN supervision even without removal of forces. Other than plebiscite there is no other option for the resolution of this issue. Our nations can hold over a thousands bilateral meeting but will never be able to agree on any other solution.

Well then the plebiscite will never happen ...

 

[unbiasedopinion]

No It does not.
It nowhere says Pakistan Army or Pakistani Forces but references to tribesmen and civilians. Its only for India they have precisely mentioned about Indian Forces .
https://www.scribd.com/doc/159762116/The-1948-UN-Security-Council-Resolution-47-on-Kashmir

Are you saying Pakistani Armymen are not pakistani's citizens?

The first UN condition is that Pak must withdraw from Pak occupied Kashmir.
Pak has never tried to fulfill it.... Then how can you expect us to hold a plebicite..
@ assasin



thats the consitution of UN and there is nothing about army to b widrawed from pakistani side..rather the tribes men or freedom fighters ...United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/india-should-accept-defeat-before-kashmiris’-struggle-says-nawaz.440188/#ixzz4F0fb2XPB

hahaha... you are funny..it says pakistani nationals.

 

[Pandora]

Oh if you dont want to accept the conditions set by the UN then maybe your countrymen should stop barking about the plebicite we promised to the UN...

First have some balls to accept the realities as for now you are crying like whimps for atoot ang. May be you should stop barking like a bitchh first then we can talk about it.

Well then the plebiscite will never happen ...

Yeah sure keep telling yourself that and you might sleep better.

 

[GR!FF!N]

If India is as democratic as it claims to be, why not pull out its troops and hold a referendum under UN supervision. because 700 000 troops in Kashmir, looks like an occupation.. nothing less and more so if there are bloodbaths very often..

what about the part Pakistan captured?And Aksai Chin?

And what about the Rambos Pakistan is sending?

Democracy doesn't mean lowering your shield.Its giving your citizen certain amount of freedom that autocracy will not provide.

 

[OrionHunter]

If India is as democratic as it claims to be, why not pull out its troops and hold a referendum under UN supervision. because 700 000 troops in Kashmir, looks like an occupation.. nothing less and more so if there are bloodbaths very often..

How many times has this issue been discussed. It's like flogging a dead horse. Here are your answers in brief.

As per UN Resolutions of 1948, Part II, it very clearly states that Pakistan is to withdraw all its forces included those tribals used for the purpose of fighting in J&K. (That includes Pak Administered Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan).

The second step is that after due verification by the UN, the Indian Army will maintain a minimum force level to ensure security of J&K till a plebiscite is held.

The third and final step is for a plebiscite to be held in the entire J&K including Pak administered Kashmir and GB.

Pakistan is yet to withdraw its forces from Kashmir as the first step according to the UN Resolutions. That is now an impossibility and therefore the plebiscite issue is as dead as a dodo.

But now Pakistan has complicated things further by gifting 5800 sq km of Kashmir's Shaksgam Valley to China in 1963, against the wishes of the Kashmiri people.

And then you say 700,000 Indian troops in Kashmir? It's a lie that's been perpetuated ad nauseam. 700,000 troops means an equivalent of 46 infantry divisions!! Wow! That's more than the strength of all infantry divisions in the Indian Army! This nonsense needs to stop. It's beyond hilarious! The actual strength in Kashmir is 220,000 which includes the BSF, CRPF, Rashtriya Rifles, J&K Police and the Territorial Army. Most of the Army has been deployed on the IB/LoC.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Wikipedia is BS

If you came to know the real size you would FAINT

But who are you? Do you really know all this info? If it is your personal speculation, why are you so confident of it?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

How many times has this issue been discussed. It's like flogging a dead horse. Here are your answers in brief.

As per UN Resolutions of 1948, Part II, it very clearly states that Pakistan is to withdraw all its forces included those tribals used for the purpose of fighting in J&K. (That includes Pak Administered Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan).

The second step is that after due verification by the UN, the Indian Army will maintain a minimum force level to ensure security of J&K till a plebiscite is held.

The third and final step is for a plebiscite to be held in the entire J&K including Pak administered Kashmir and GB.

Pakistan is yet to withdraw its forces from Kashmir as the first step according to the UN Resolutions. That is now an impossibility and therefore the plebiscite issue is as dead as a dodo.

But now Pakistan has complicated things further by gifting 5800 sq km of Kashmir's Shaksgam Valley to China in 1963, against the wishes of the Kashmiri people.

And then you say 700,000 Indian troops in Kashmir? It's a lie that's been perpetuated ad nauseam. 700,000 troops means an equivalent of 46 infantry divisions!! Wow! That's more than the strength of all infantry divisions in the Indian Army! This nonsense needs to stop. It's beyond hilarious! The actual strength in Kashmir is 220,000 which includes the BSF, CRPF, Rashtriya Rifles, J&K Police and the Territorial Army. Most of the Army has been deployed on the IB/LoC.

No it does not mention anything about Pakistan Armed force, only Indian Armed forces are mentioned.Tread my last post.

 

[Brickwall]

No it does not mention anything about Pakistan Armed force, only Indian Armed forces are mentioned.Tread my last post.

Have you seen link provided by fellow citizen http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/47(1948)


Can i ask you to check Page 4, Restoration of peace and order, read it again about Pakistan nationals.

 

[Centurion2016]

I HOPE YOU ALL REALISE NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE

YOUR WASTING BREADTH TIME AND EFFORT.

70 YEARS GONE ALREADY nothing happened

700 MORE YEARS WILL GO LIKE THIS

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Have you seen link provided by fellow citizen http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/47(1948)


Can i ask you to check Page 4, Restoration of peace and order, read it again about Pakistan nationals.

Its the same thing ..

Besides this is what it says..
"To secure the withdrawal from the state of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally residents therein who have entered the state for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the state of SUCH elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the state."

No mention of Pak army or forces but freedom fighters of Pakistani/Afghan origin.

Whereas in Indias case it categorically speaks about Indian Armed forces to be reduced progressively to a minimal extent required for the civil offices in order to maintain the law and order .

Not just that,there is a complete procedure listed under it for India to follow on how to do the troop withdrawal in steps.

I also want to mention that India has built special squads in J&K that do rampage and put the blame on foreign elements basically giving impression of Pakistan not fulfilling its part therefore getting away with its compliance on the resolution.Little they know this whole drama of years is aggravating the people and real resistance groups (which are not foreign backed ) are attackign Indian armed forces now. And now this cat& mouse game is pretty muchc autnopmous and India doesnt know end result. If hey finish off the resistance they have to comply with UN charter, if they dont they continue seeing their troops go down. Pretty much a dilemma must say.