India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[praveen]

Boeing bagged 15billion dollar contracts minus MRCA thats a small amount DBC?

 

[Abingdonboy]

If the Eurofighter get's picked it will need US to give the green light due to certain american part's in the fighter just like what happened when Saudi's joined the program.

And why wouldn't US give the "green-light"? India is a stable, prosperous, friendly, democratic nation with whom the US is trying to build ever closer ties. Trade between the is already in the high tens of BILLIONS. The US isn't stupid, they need/want India as their friend, whilst India still tries to exert its non-aligned status.

 

[Yeti]

And why wouldn't US give the "green-light"? India is a stable, prosperous, friendly, democratic nation with whom the US is trying to build ever closer ties. Trade between the is already in the high tens of BILLIONS. The US isn't stupid, they need/want India as their friend, whilst India still tries to exert its non-aligned status.

Do not see it being a issue but it will need congress to approve it like they did with the Saudi's

U.S. may block UK-Saudi Eurofighter deal -FT | Reuters

 

[dbc]

Boeing bagged 15billion dollar contracts minus MRCA thats a small amount DBC?

15 Billion dollars? where did you get that from? In any case, I don't think it is enough for exclusivity especially if the caveat is for Boeing to stay out of a huge market like China.

 

[praveen]

15 Billion dollars? where did you get that from? In any case, I don't think it is enough for exclusivity especially if the caveat is for Boeing to stay out of a huge market like China.

The civilian air craft deal by air india to purchase 67 aircraft was estimated at 11-12 billion add to that the transport air craft deal is estimated at 4 billion with a c

 

[praveen]

clause for additional 4 aircraft .If anyone is stopping from entering the Chinese market its the US congress not india so unrelated to us

 

[kingdurgaking]

eft sanctions wont affect us as we will have full tot and production line in india..... Eft is not a mini mki, just by having a far smaller rcs it will have completely different role in the iaf.....
Also we will be partners in the project getting profits from future eft sales and upgrades....it is similar to mki in the way that as partners in the program we define what upgrades we want thereby making it tailormade for indian conditions...... French supported us during sanctions but they also sell their latest tech to pakistan like agosta subs and avionics hence they are not to be trusted, they are also robbing us in mirage upgrade deal, you can expect to pay just as much or probably higher when we upgrade the rafale( and there will be a hell of a lot more rafales than mirages in our inventory)

as for the lack of a2g in eft.... It can currently provide cas and fire lgb and paveway 2/3, when we upgrade to tranche 3( if the europeans cant afford it doesnt mean we cant)it will be as good as the rafale in a2g while retaining superiority in a2a.....its aesa is better than the rafale, it has more composites than the rafale(82 vs 75), the m 88 is not reliable as was seen in the aero india, the ej 200 is highr thrust and less maintenance hungry.... Hence making the eft the wiser choice

haaa haaaa.... who told full ToT and production line will not affect the sanctions... where will you get the RAW materials?? it will still come from the parent company to manufacture the parts... Companies are not stupid enough to keep there business in risk....

First of all ToT on source code will come for simulation software and manufacturing software... like CAD which they have used to design... we will be trained on them so that we can use them for future.... so most of the avionics parts will be of useful to us and not the design software for AMCA... because stealth is a whole lot new calculations that the software will run to give the desired output....

for F-35 has several 100 million lines of code... it is not for the avionics alone... it includes the software they have developed similar to CAD with which the design was done... because no such software exist in the world... even DRDO has developed its own software to manufacture Carbon fibre composite and CLAW....

so these are all the softwares we get as ToT.... i really doubt we will get blue prints... and the composition of the raw materials... even DRDO will not give the IP to them.....

Forget about profits.. see whether they will be allowed to use in War.. with out which they are dumb...

French at least has given opportunity to fight not sit quite right?... see how the F-16 of Pakistan where sitting quite... our whole Mirage squadron where operational during kargil... but only Few F-16's are operating.. because most of them are grounded that time due to sanctions...

think wise.. i was also a supporter of EFT .. but French are more reliable... just for money they work.. they dont control you... but others do........

 

[MumbaiIndians]

TOT in MMRCA contract doesn't involve background IP transfer.

MMRCA is as worse as FGFA. Only thing where FGFA is better is that, DRDO will be JV partner. That means, it will design some parts too.

On other hand, AMCA is totally Indian and we will own all integration codes, be it missiles, engines or any upgradation. It won't involve any foreign influence or dependence. Same with LCA. Remember how fast Derby deal is finalized for LCA, while MICA for mirage is still stuck.

 

[MumbaiIndians]

India is a stable, prosperous, friendly, democratic nation with whom the US is trying to build ever closer ties. Trade between the is already in the high tens of BILLIONS. The US isn't stupid, they need/want India as their friend, whilst India still tries to exert its non-aligned status.

That sounds like USA is begging for Indian friendship and India is not listening. Am I getting you right?

 

[SpArK]

An Unofficial Stealth Rafale Fantasy​

A 3D artist based in Argentina has put out these renders of his impression of a future stealthy Rafale. As pointed out on RafaleNews, note twin fins replacing the single one and low-RCS enclosed weaopons pods replacing exposed weapons.

Livefist: An Unofficial Stealth Rafale Fantasy

 

[Bang Galore]

Mig 21 - Red Flag 08?

Probably referring to Cope India 2004.
http://defensetech.org/2004/06/24/india-1-usaf-0/

 

[SpArK]

Eurofighter debut at IDET in Czech Republic​

At IDET 2011, the International Exhibition of Defence and Security Technologies
held in Brno from the 10th-13th May in the Czech Republic, Eurofighter had a
significant presence.

 

[Jon Snow]

TOT in MMRCA contract doesn't involve background IP transfer.

MMRCA is as worse as FGFA. Only thing where FGFA is better is that, DRDO will be JV partner. That means, it will design some parts too.

On other hand, AMCA is totally Indian and we will own all integration codes, be it missiles, engines or any upgradation. It won't involve any foreign influence or dependence. Same with LCA. Remember how fast Derby deal is finalized for LCA, while MICA for mirage is still stuck.

why keep bringing amca and lca into every thread?? in the end we need planes to shoot down the enemy, does it matter whether we made these planes or not??

 

[MumbaiIndians]

why keep bringing amca and lca into every thread?? in the end we need planes to shoot down the enemy, does it matter whether we made these planes or not??

Well, whether you like AMCA-LCA or not, but they have very much influenced the MMRCA. LCA's IOC is prime reason behind delaying of MMRCA.

IAF won't admit it in public but Kaveri's recent successful flights have increased their bargaining power in MRCA negotiations. So, we can't keep these issues seperate. There will always be scenarios where these leverage issues will crop up.

MRCA is not like buying candies from candyshop(as IAF wants it to be). There is much more to it.

 

[1000VA]

Eurofighter Typhoon frontrunner to bag the $11 billion Indian Air Force Multi-Role Combat Aircraft contract - The Economic Times

LONDON: Eurofighter Typhoon is the front-runner for the USD 11 billion contract Indian Air Force Multi-Role Combat Aircraft deal, a senior official of the BAE Systems has said indicating that if the contract goes through a part of fighter manufacturing would be off loaded to India.

"The negotiation for crucial commercial terms will begin next month," Michael Christie , Senior Vice President, BAE Systems India told a group of visiting journalists at BAE Systems' production centre at Warton, Lancashire, in UK yesterday.

India had short-listed French Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for the project to acquire 126 fighters, while rejecting American Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16, Sweden's Gripen and Russian MiG-35 fighters.

Dassault and Europefighter have been asked by the Ministry of Defence to extend the offer validity.

"If Typhoon is chosen, the order for the contract will be firmed up in the first quarter of next year and "delivery of aircraft will begin in 2015," Christie indicated.

According to Christie, Typhoon is a generation ahead of Chinese aircraft J10 Thunder.

"China also unveiled a proto-type of J20. But typhoon is one of the most advanced aircraft, The missile capability of the aircraft and radar capability are of a different level," he said.

It is built by a four-nation European consortium - Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain - with Britain and Germany having 33 per cent stake each.

Answering a question on indigenisation of HAWK, Christie said "The indigenisation programme is very successful".

India had contracted to receive 66 HAWK - 26 built in the UK and 42 under licence by HAL in Bengaluru under a 1 billion pound agreement and the contract was widened by New Delhi to purchase 57 more HAWKs under licence production.

Today, the Indian Tricolour is flying proudly outside the BAE Warton production centre, along with the British flag, thanks to the massive Indian order, which is keeping the company going.

Christie said that India is keen to have 70 per cent of the Typhoon to be produced in India and the 30 per cent in the UK.

BAE is keen to make India a partner of the Consortium, Christie said.

Asked whether India could export HAWK, Christie said, the existing agreement does not allow it.

"We are in discussion to find how we can do that". Christie said, adding, "Typhoon has taken us to the next generation of aircraft".

"If India were to finalise the agreement for Typhoon, it will be produced in Bengaluru. They will have to create new space for it in Bengaluru", he said.