India’s Subversive Role in Afghanistan

[Paan Singh]

Doesnt matter those who are against them are only NA people.otherwise taliban still control 90% of afghanistan.

I even asked this to afgans directly and they laughed on me..

Talibunies mostly lives like maoist lives in india

 

[Kompromat]

Taliban have never been pro india where as northern alliance did...

and taliban is n was paksitan proxy to rule A-stan..

Is this hard to understand?

One year, it will all come back to papa.

 

[Paan Singh]

One year, it will all come back to papa.

sorry sir....ur myth will be shattered ..just wait till 2014 ..

 

[FaujHistorian]

Typical Desi brawl. And shameful at it. Blaiming each others and their uncle for the bad stuff in the neighborhood.


As a Pakistani I'll talk about the OP first. then perhaps mention where Indian posters get it wrong. utterly wrong. Here is a very high level view of the role each of the party is playing.

1. Afghanis: Blame or credit for anything that goes on in their country, should go to Afghans. They are majority in their country. USA, Pakistan, India, Russia can only do anything in Afghanistan if an only if Afghanis are willing to help the invaders.


2. Pakistanis: We cannot blame India, or America or CIA or RAW etc. for what goes on in Iran. Our hands are not clean. So many Pakistani civilians come on these forums and froth at their mouths about everyone else except themselves. If we as a nation are that worried about Afghanis, then why don't we send teams of science teachers, doctors, nurses and engineers to build Afghanistan. Why instead we allow despicable characters like Gul-badan (pretty boy)? Why? Pak army and civilians must be living in an era 100s of years ago when Afghan hoards could easily come down the Khyber pass and ransack Pakistani and Indian regions. That era ended when modern military techniques used by Maharaja Ranjit Singh finally glued shut any misadventure by Afghani war lords. Since then, the military capability of Punjab and KPK has increased 1000s of time while Afghans are pretty much the same as they were in 16th century,

With this change in capabilities, Pakistan must play a constructive role in Afghanistan by educating and training them and by helping develop a stable modern country instead of relying on $tupid talibaboons. Islam clearly tells us that we must treat our neighbors with respect and with humility. And what are we doing instead?

We must remember that Afghanistan by population is the size of a large city in Pakistan. We can easily deal with them using regular forces (million man strong) instead of letting warlords f**k Afghanistan and in the process our own country is getting f***ked.

We must change our course, we must. If not for Afghanistan, then at least for our country's sakes. India and RAW can only be there until NATO is there. They will run with their dhotis flying as soon as the goras leave.

So we must not treat Afghanistan as if it will remain under Indian thumb forever.


3. Indians: So many posters want to show India is so goody goody Bollywoodsy-Aishvarya for the manly men Afghani. That's not the case. Indian have terrible history of supporting Afghanis on one condition, that they $hit on Pakistan at every occasion. This was the case in 1947, this was the case in 1967, and that was the case in 77, 87, 97, 07, ..... you get the point.

The problem with such $tupid behavior is that India cannot win this war of Afghani-attrition when it has no direct route to the country. And the only viable route to send supplies is Pakistan. Thus any misadventure taken by Indians is going to cost India dearly and in the long run hurt Afghanis a lot more than what it can do to Pakistan.

4. NATO: They made a serious mistake by not inviting Pakistan army into the allies working in Afghanistan. Bringing India into the mix meant, they lost support of a major player in the area. I mean how $tupid it is to spend
100s of billions of dollars in Afghanistan while hoping that Pakistan will be the main supply route if they paid 2 billions a YEAR?

Afghanistan would have been easilty controlled by paying 10 billion a year to Pakistan and 2 billion to Afghanistan. 12 billion a year. That's it! 12 fing billions.

Instead NATO destroyed their own economies (other factors are involved, but lets focus on military expenses in Afghanistan for the moment), by utterly wasting 100s of billions every year but most importantly loosing 1000s of their precious soldiers.

NATO should have left Afghanistan in 2002 by handing over the control to a regional peace keeping force, OK may be they needed to keep 3 squadrons of fighters with few squadron each of cargo and other support planes.

NATO felt they could muscle their way through, and I am sure their approach may work in the long run, but at what cost. AT What fing cost.



in summary: Pakistanis and Pak army have supported the wrong side so far. It is time we change our ways, and think about bringing peace in Afghanistan. That's the only way we can kick Indians out of Afghanistan. It is the only way.



peace

 

[Kompromat]

sorry sir....ur myth will be shattered ..just wait till 2014 ..

Do, you even know what i am talking about ?

 

[karan21]

Some people can not digest the goodwill India has generated in Afghanistan over the last few years

"Our Good Friend and Cousin": India in Afghanistan

With more than US$2 billion pledged since 2001, India is today the by far largest regional donor in Afghanistan and the fifth largest in the world. India has refused to contribute troops in Afghanistan, and has instead taken a “soft” approach focusing on aid and development.

Delhi has funded four major infrastructure projects in Afghanistan: already completed are the Delaram-Zaranj highway, which links Iran to the Garland “ring road” highway that connects most major Afghan cities; and a 442 km power line connecting Kabul to Uzbekistan, which has given the capital 24-hour electricity supply for the first time in years. Still pending are the Kabul parliament building, and the rebuilding of the Salma Dam in Herat province, which will provide electricity and irrigation in western Afghanistan.

Beyond the large infrastructure projects, India’s investment in Afghanistan also extends to food aid, rural development projects and healthcare. Thousands of Afghan students have been given scholarships to study in India. India is also one of Afghanistan’s major trading partners, and the flow of goods has been strengthened by a “Preferential Trade Agreement” signed in 2003. In April this year, the two governments announced a framework agreement on Indian investment in Afghanistan’s ore industry, and Indian companies have been given the mining rights to the Hajigak iron ore deposits, estimated to hold 1.8 billion tonnes of ore. Afghanistan’s largely untapped mineral wealth is thought to be worth some US$3 trillion, and is often talked of as key to ensuring the country’s economy. On a recent visit to Delhi, Afghan Foreign Minister Zalmai Rassoul expressed hope that the ore agreements showed that Indian involvement in Afghanistan was “shifting from aid to investment”.

From talking to ordinary Afghans around the country, it becomes clear that Delhi’s soft power approach has generated much goodwill. India consistently ranks highest in opinion polls of countries Afghans have the best perception of, while Pakistan usually takes the bottom place. It is also difficult to miss the influence of Indian culture in the country - Bollywood movies are popular in cinema halls and on the black market, while the TVs in the Kabul Airport lounge show Indian soap operas on repeat.

"Our Good Friend and Cousin": India in Afghanistan / ISN

Man Indian afghan policy is definitely bearing fruits. We have won their hearts. Even though delhi doesnt have 24 hr electricity but we are going all out to make sure kabul does connecting countries and grids . We should open even more consulates in Afghan and make Indian culture, language and clothes a house hold thing.

Once govt has done its job, then its time for corporate India to go and finish it. Our corporate sector has money and they have resources. Afghan can actually become a giant economy something like Australia if they use those resources as a weapon of development. I think bad times are over for afghan.

 

[livingdead]

^^^ India will maintain its presence either directly or through proxy in afganistan. India is no saint I agree (we supported NA thugs) but our aim there is more modest than others who are playing game there.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Man Indian afghan policy is definitely bearing fruits. We have won their hearts. Even though delhi doesnt have 24 hr electricity but we are going all out to make sure kabul does connecting countries and grids . We should open even more consulates in Afghan and make Indian culture, language and clothes a house hold thing.

Once govt has done its job, then its time for corporate India to go and finish it. Our corporate sector has money and they have resources. Afghan can actually become a giant economy something like Australia if they use those resources as a weapon of development. I think bad times are over for afghan.

Perhaps one of the BIMARU states could use the same approach.

-- Tujhay pra-ee kiya paree hai,
-- Apni nabair tu

or perhaps the old addage of "chiraq talay undhaira" fits here very well.

For those who don't understand Urdu/Hindi, the above is saying 'mind your own business first".

 

[dearone4u_22]

nope just reminding gullible indians like honourable yourself about the Afghan khatirdaari/mehmaan nawazi/love and affection indians got.

Earlier you guys use Afghans as scape goat for your propoganda .....India having no common boundary with afghanistan watched and observed and Chankya got into action.......Now India will have physical presence in Afghanistan........

Table have turned now ........ Game is about to turn head over heel.......... its time for some intense mehmaan nawazi now

like i said earlier also " Chankya never forgets & above all never forgives"

 

[jayron]

No one describes Afghan Taliban as terrorists, not even westerners. They are a bunch doing what they have done for 1000s of years.




Mod-Edit: Anyone found to be de-railing the tread will get a direct ban.

you are a mod not a mafia leader.
You start a thread with a blog post and threaten those who disagree with a ban.
For us Afghan and Pak Taliban are the same- savage barbarians terrorizing their populace. you guys handed be a 2 week ban once when I wished TTP rule in Pakistan just to make a point. Now you ban yourself for supporting Afghan Taliban on a populace who hates them.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Congratulations for the usual scholarly article.

This scholarly article is full of claims right from karachi violence, balochistan issue, indian drugs trade in afghanistan, indian weapons in pakistan, hints by ISPR and more such solid proof. BTW this is NOT off topic - this baseless trash is mentioned in the article

 

[livingdead]

Perhaps one of the BIMARU states could use the same approach.

-- Tujhay pra-ee kiya paree hai,
-- Apni nabair tu

or perhaps the old addage of "chiraq talay undhaira" fits here very well.

For those who don't understand Urdu/Hindi, the above is saying 'mind your own business first".

Civilian foreign aid is not only out of compassion to citizen of other countries, it is part of international diplomacy. UK wont be spending millions in asia and africa with a broken economy at home, only due to humanity.

If every rupee spent in afganistan brings more security to India and also secure trade benefits, why not spend it?

 

[pakdefender]

Man Indian afghan policy is definitely bearing fruits. We have won their hearts. Even though delhi doesnt have 24 hr electricity but we are going all out to make sure kabul does connecting countries and grids . We should open even more consulates in Afghan and make Indian culture, language and clothes a house hold thing.

Once govt has done its job, then its time for corporate India to go and finish it. Our corporate sector has money and they have resources. Afghan can actually become a giant economy something like Australia if they use those resources as a weapon of development. I think bad times are over for afghan.

United Stated started off with the economic and military muscle that it had in 2001 and after 10 years it is reaping very nicely the fruits of its policy in Afghanistan

India is a pip squeak by comparison , you neither have the economic muscle nor the militarty muscle that the American had to start with, americans came in with support of 40 other countires to bear down on Pakistan via Afghansitan , how far lalu in his lungi will get in this endeavour is not hard to to guess.

Your foolish anti-Pakistan investments will go down the toilet as the US draw down begins

 

[Kompromat]

^^^ India will maintain its presence either directly or through proxy in afganistan. India is no saint I agree (we supported NA thugs) but our aim there is more modest than others who are playing game there.

You, see when you indulge in an international game, it doesn't matter how modest your pre planned goals are. What really matters is how other stakeholders, perceive them in their own strategic scene.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Its India sitting in our neighbor's house not Pakistan sitting in India's, that makes India an adversary.

which is why Pakistan will do what it takes to ensure the adversary doesn't stir up trouble by turning Afghanistan into a bastion for anti-Pakistan activity

it simply wont be tolerated and the world body that is informed -- knows this already.

Americans (like Senator McCain) know this as well. The U.S. are using india more as a bait, or leverage of some kind to bring pressure on Pakistan. It's a strategy that wont work, given that the survival of Karzai regime is highly in question; even in American policy circles, where there is a consensus that Karzai's writ outside of NATO-administered Kabul is questionable and quite uncertain, at best

we do need to take bold steps to safeguard our side of the border (regardless of pleas and protests by afghan side) and continue to call on NATO to stop allowing anti-Pakistan militants to cross over the porous border....