India, Russia ink S-400 missile system deal

[MultaniGuy]

Yes but India will be under USA sanctions I read on CNN. Lol.

Only if it was so easy.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Reload takes long time. Because your enemy knows your deployment.

My bad, of course. We don't have any countermeasures against Pakistani response.

 

[Maler]

It’s thread about S-400 not MMRCA , I think for Pakistan even 36 raffles are enough oh no they are not how can India forget the super PAF pilots of F-16 they can kill S-400 and Rafales in one eye blink man behind machine

@manga

LOL.........Leave the poor guy alone!!! His wind blowing pipe has been jammed!!!

 

[manga]

Yes but India will be under USA sanctions I read on CNN. Lol.

Only if it was so easy.

Its OP-ED article, nothing official.

 

[Goenitz]

So many threads with just title change... anyway, what are the odds the radar of s400 can be jammed.?

 

[HAIDER]

My bad, of course. We don't have any countermeasures against Pakistani response.

 

[Windjammer]

If all goes according to plan, Indian S-400 will be operational in next few years.
Just like to add another aspect.
Pakistan successfully conducted the test of it's Ababeel MIRV capable missile some two years earlier.....next.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Its OP-ED article, nothing official.

No dumbass, it is not an opinion article.

It says India risks sanctions.

India risks US sanctions following $5 billion Russia defense deal
By Manveena Suri and Steve George, CNN



Updated 8:07 AM ET, Fri October 5, 2018

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New Delhi (CNN)India could soon be faced with the threat of US sanctions following a controversial $5 billion weapons deal with Russia, a move analysts say poses more of a headache for Washington than it does Delhi.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi finalized the deal, which will see India take possession of a high-tech S-400 missile defense system, during a bilateral meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Indian capital New Delhi on Friday.
The deal could potentially open India up to US sanctions under legislation known as Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).
The law, signed by President Donald Trump last August, is designed to punish Moscow for its "malign activities." Last month, the US imposed sanctions against China for its purchases of Russian military equipment, including the S-400, under CAATSA legislation.
But whereas China is an emerging rival power, India is seen as an important US strategic ally.
US defense chiefs have worked hard to increase cooperation with Delhi in a range of areas in recent years, amid shared concerns over Chinese military expansion in the Indo-Pacific region.
India's purchasing of the Russian weapons system effectively forces the Trump administration to choose between punishing Delhi -- and destroy the fledgling defense relationship -- or granting the country an exemption, weakening the effect of the sanctions and opening up the US to accusations of favoritism.
Following the completion of the deal Friday, the US embassy in Delhi told CNN that CAATSA legislation was not intended to "impose damage to the military capabilities of our allies or partners."
Asked whether the India-Russia deal would qualify for a potential exemption, the spokesperson said the embassy was unable to "prejudge any sanctions decisions."
"There are strict criteria for considering a waiver," said the spokesperson, adding that waivers would be considered on a "transaction-by-transaction basis."
Speaking to CNN, Peter Layton, from Australia's Griffith Asia Institute, said the problem for the US is that if it allows India to purchase the S-400 there is no reason why it should not also allow other countries, such as Turkey to do so too.
"The CAATSA will appear a rather subjective sanction program if it only applies to some nations and not all," said Layton.

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S-400 since 2015.
The high-tech system is considered the most effective surface-to-air system in its class, surpassing the capabilities of the aging US Patriot missile system, according to experts.
It can engage targets, including manned and unmanned aircraft, cruise missile and ballistic missiles at a range of up to 400 kilometers, while remaining beyond the reach of standard radar jamming equipment.
"The S-400 being so capable and at a relatively affordable price is hard for US arms manufacturers to compete against," said Layton, who described the missile system as offering superior value-for-money to comparable US options.


Why the Modi-Xi meeting matters
Unsurprisingly the S-400 is a big export priority for Russia. Friday's deal with India follows a similar deal with Turkey, which despite being a NATO ally, signed a provisional agreement to buy the Russian-made system in December.
The Turkey deal has caused consternation in Washington, where a bipartisan group of lawmakers have attempted to block the transfer of the US' F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to Turkey, citing security concerns.
US defense officials believe once operational, the S-400 could be used to gather technical data on US designed fighter planes and that critical information could be passed to Moscow either intentionally or unintentionally through a back door in the Russian designed system.
India's purchase of the S-400 may result in the US refusing to sell "advanced fighter aircraft types" to Delhi in the future, said Layton.
"It is important to note that other parts of the US-India relationship would not be impacted, simply the sale of advanced military aircraft," added Layton.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi pictured on the sidelines of the 2017 BRICS Summit in Xiamen, southeastern China.
Potential get out
India is considered among the world's most lucrative markets for arms exporters. According to a 2017 report by the UK's Royal Institute of International Affairs, India was responsible for 10.3% of global arms imports between 2000 and 2016, with Russia supplying 72% of those imports.
The US though is catching up fast, becoming India's second largest arms supplier, ahead of Israel.
"If you look at the numbers and where India has been buying from, you see a trend where America stands heads and shoulders above everyone else, and there's more in the pipeline," said Harsh V. Pant, a professor in International Relations at King's College London, referencing India's increased defense cooperation with the US.
Last year, US defense company Lockheed Martin offered to move its production of F-16 fighter jets to India, if the Indian government granted it a contract to supply fighter jets to the country's air force.
It is those future deals, coupled with the need to maintain a strategic regional relationship with India, that will force Washington to overlook India's purchase of the S-400, argued Pant.


India's Modi hails 'old-time friend' Russia during Putin summit
"There have been enough signals that India's case will be considered sympathetically. Of course, we don't really know given the Trump administration and Mr. Trump being Mr. Trump," said Pant.
Washington has previously appeared open to discussing a potential sanctions exemption for India.
In response to a question on the question of possible sanctions during the Indo-US 2+2 Dialogue last month, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that "no decision has been made."
"We are working to impose CAATSA Section 231 in a way that is appropriate and lawful and to exercise that waiver authority only where it makes sense," said Pompeo adding that the US and India would look to reach an "outcome that makes sense for each of our two countries."
Speaking to CNN, Ajai Shukla, a former colonel in the Indian Army and defense specialist, said the US would be unlikely to risk destabilizing its strategic alliance with India.
"That's why they (US Congress) passed the waiver sanction. India will almost certainly come under that waiver because the United States understands that stakes with India are far too high to jeopardize relations," Shukla said.
Ties between Russia and India date back to the Cold War, but evolving priorities and alliances have taken a toll.
"India sees it as a normal strategic hedging strategy but with Russia, there is a deep concern. That's what makes Putin's visit so important," said Shukla, adding that Russia likely sees the deal as a test of India's friendship during a period of heightened hostility from the US.
"Russia has signaled that it's not happy with India, so it's gone ahead to forge relations with China, Pakistan and Afghanistan."
CNN's Ryan Browne and Sugam Pokharel contributed to this report.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/05/asia/india-s400-deal-intl/index.html

But USA will have to play smart, if India gets S-400, then Turkey can get it too.

 

[KAMDEV]

S-400 is already doing the damage to India the threat if sanctions is crashing the Indian markets this very sad and very bad for India.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1048154737491791873

S-400 can defend ballistic missiles bit can it also defend economic missile lol. Very sad and very bad for India.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1048155527014961152

If all of you Indians are going to run away why the hell do you tag me to a thread?

Don't worry,
Hope your bail out cheque is ready from IMF.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Don't worry,
Hope your bail out cheque is ready from IMF.

Haha, According to CNN, India is at risk for sanctions.

And it is no opinion or editorial piece as an Indian previously lied about.

India may face sanctions if it buys Russia's S-400 missiles: US
US might not offer waiver to India if it buys S-400 missile system from Russia, Pentagon official says.

30 Aug 2018

The Russian S-400 missile system India is planning to buy is considered one of the best in existence [Vasily Fedosenko/Reuters]
MORE ON INDIA

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The United States cannot guarantee Indiawill be exempt from sanctions if it purchases weapons and defence systems from Russia, a top Pentagon official said.

Randall Schriver, the Pentagon's top Asia official, called into question on Wednesday the idea that the US would protect its relationship with India and that it will be insulated from any fallout if the purchase happens.

"I would say that is a bit misleading. We would still have very significant concerns if India pursued major new platforms and systems (from Russia)," Schriver said at a think-tank event, according to Reuters news agency.

The US has imposed sanctions on Russia for its annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, which means any country that engages in defence or intelligence sharing with Russia could also be subject to sanctions.

"I can't sit here and tell you that they would be exempt, that we would use that waiver, that will be the decision of the president if he is faced with a major new platform and capability that India has acquired from Russia," Shriver added.

The waivers would be possible according to a new US defence bill, which gives President Donald Trump the authority to exempt countries.

Despite Secretary of Defense James Mattis saying he is a strong proponent of granting waivers to India, Schriver said that Trump having the ability to apply these waivers did not automatically mean he would.

India is in the final stages of acquiring S-400 long-range surface to air missile systems from Russia, a deal worth $6bn.

OPINION

Why Turkey might buy Russia's S-400 defence system

by Can Kasapoglu
The agreement is expected to be signed by Russia later this year.

The acquisition of the S-400 system would be the latest in a long series of Indian defence purchases, as the country has previously bought combat planes, ships and submarines from Russia.

Schriver stated that the US is concerned about this planned purchase, and is willing to talk to India about potential alternatives to the Russian missile system.

State-of-the-art missile system
India is not the only country buying the state-of-the-art system from Russia.

Other countries such as China, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have all bought or are planning to buy the anti-aircraft missile weapon.

US military officials and politicians have also expressed concerns over Turkey's intention to buy the Russian missile system.

READ MORE
Saudi threatens military action against Qatar over S-400: report
In June, Saudi Arabia said it would consider "all necessary measures" if Qatar closes the deal with Russia.

Despite these threats, Russia has said the supply of the missiles to Qatar will continue, with Qatar's Foreign Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani saying acquiring the system is a "sovereign" decision.

The S-400 missile system is a state-of-the-art weapons platform with a maximum range of 400km, considered one of the best defence systems in existence.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA NEWS

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...buys-russia-400-missiles-180830083608701.html

India may get USA sanctions on RT

 

[kris]

Haha, According to CNN, India is at risk for sanctions.

And it is no opinion or editorial piece as an Indian previously lied about.

India may face sanctions if it buys Russia's S-400 missiles: US
US might not offer waiver to India if it buys S-400 missile system from Russia, Pentagon official says.

30 Aug 2018

The Russian S-400 missile system India is planning to buy is considered one of the best in existence [Vasily Fedosenko/Reuters]
MORE ON INDIA

• India signs $5bn deal to purchase Russian S-400 missile systemtoday
• India signs S-400 deal with Russia sidestepping US oppositiontoday
• Oman on alert as tropical cyclone begins to form in Arabian Seatoday
• India criticised for deporting seven Rohingya men to Myanmartoday

The United States cannot guarantee Indiawill be exempt from sanctions if it purchases weapons and defence systems from Russia, a top Pentagon official said.

Randall Schriver, the Pentagon's top Asia official, called into question on Wednesday the idea that the US would protect its relationship with India and that it will be insulated from any fallout if the purchase happens.

"I would say that is a bit misleading. We would still have very significant concerns if India pursued major new platforms and systems (from Russia)," Schriver said at a think-tank event, according to Reuters news agency.

The US has imposed sanctions on Russia for its annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, which means any country that engages in defence or intelligence sharing with Russia could also be subject to sanctions.

"I can't sit here and tell you that they would be exempt, that we would use that waiver, that will be the decision of the president if he is faced with a major new platform and capability that India has acquired from Russia," Shriver added.

The waivers would be possible according to a new US defence bill, which gives President Donald Trump the authority to exempt countries.

Despite Secretary of Defense James Mattis saying he is a strong proponent of granting waivers to India, Schriver said that Trump having the ability to apply these waivers did not automatically mean he would.

India is in the final stages of acquiring S-400 long-range surface to air missile systems from Russia, a deal worth $6bn.

OPINION

Why Turkey might buy Russia's S-400 defence system

by Can Kasapoglu
The agreement is expected to be signed by Russia later this year.

The acquisition of the S-400 system would be the latest in a long series of Indian defence purchases, as the country has previously bought combat planes, ships and submarines from Russia.

Schriver stated that the US is concerned about this planned purchase, and is willing to talk to India about potential alternatives to the Russian missile system.

State-of-the-art missile system
India is not the only country buying the state-of-the-art system from Russia.

Other countries such as China, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have all bought or are planning to buy the anti-aircraft missile weapon.

US military officials and politicians have also expressed concerns over Turkey's intention to buy the Russian missile system.

READ MORE
Saudi threatens military action against Qatar over S-400: report
In June, Saudi Arabia said it would consider "all necessary measures" if Qatar closes the deal with Russia.

Despite these threats, Russia has said the supply of the missiles to Qatar will continue, with Qatar's Foreign Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani saying acquiring the system is a "sovereign" decision.

The S-400 missile system is a state-of-the-art weapons platform with a maximum range of 400km, considered one of the best defence systems in existence.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA NEWS

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...buys-russia-400-missiles-180830083608701.html

India may get USA sanctions on RT

What do you think the word ' may' is suggesting

 

[MultaniGuy]

What do you think the word ' may' is suggesting

Same meaning as "risk."

LOL.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Don't worry,
Hope your bail out cheque is ready from IMF.

Every country running on loan, Even USA, Russia , EU, China to take loans from international organizations to run their Economies @KAMDEV

 

[MultaniGuy]

Then there is another article:

India buys Russian missile system, risking US sanctions

• Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin are holding an annual summit in New Delhi.
• Modi's government has announced a $5 billion purchase of a Russian surface-to-air missile system.
• The deal is widely seen as Modi's way of offsetting Chinese activity in his country's backyard.

Nyshka Chandran | @nyshkac
Published 10 Hours Ago Updated 5 Hours AgoCNBC.com

Mikhail Metzel\TASS via Getty Images
OCT 4, 2018: Russia's President Vladimir Putin and India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi meet for talks in New Dellhi.
India signed a $5 billion purchase of advanced missile technology from Russia on Friday, a deal seen as New Delhi's response to China's growing influence in the Indian Ocean.

Russian President Vladimir Putin arrived in New Delhi Thursday to meet Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for an annual bilateral summit that's has focused on energy, security and defense issues.

Of particular interest is India's purchase of the Russian-built S-400 Triumf, a long-range surface-to-air missile system capable of destroying both cruise and ballistic missiles.


The order, which has been under discussion since 2015, was finalized on Friday afternoon according to several news agencies who cited both Indian and Russian officials.

The deal is a signal that the Modi administration is "trying to take steps to counter China," said Richard Rossow, a senior advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, who specializes on U.S.-India relations. He believes that India wants high-end defense equipment for power projection in the Indian Ocean, where Beijing has been growing increasingly assertive.

From Tanzania to Sri Lanka, the two Asian heavyweights have been competing to establish a stronger military and economic presence in countries along the massive waterway. Since China launched its first overseas military base in Djibouti last year, Modi's government has secured access to naval facilities in Indonesia, Iran, Oman and the Seychelles.

"The S-400 range would enable India to track aircraft beyond its borders, making it a valuable asset as the People's Liberation Army Air Force extends its training and deployments closer to Indian territory," said Zoe Stanley Lockman, an associate research fellow specializing in defense at Singapore-based Nanyang Technological University.

There are other reasons behind Modi's interest in the S-400 system.



Will India get sanctioned if it buys Russian weapons? 10 Hours Ago | 01:59
"China is certainly a motivating factor — not only because of Chinese assertiveness in the Indian Ocean, but also because Beijing supplies about 70 percent of the weapons imported by Pakistan," said Lockman.

"The S-400 Triumf is far superior to the Chinese-supplied Pakistani surface-to-air missile defense systems," Lockman said, adding that acquisition of the S-400 would be a way for India to counter Pakistan's advances in nuclear technology.

New Delhi's concerns about close ties between China and Russiacould also be a factor, according to Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan, head of the nuclear and space policy initiative at the Observer Research Foundation.

The world's second largest economy was the first overseas buyer of Russia's S-400 and Su-35 fighter jet. Beijing also purchased numerous Russian submarines in recent years.

Those purchases put India's security at some risk and illustrate an important shift in Russia-China security dynamics, Rajagopalan said in a Thursday note. "Beijing for a long time was not given access to the best and most modern Russian technology and there was no technology transfer," she pointed out.

Risk of sanctions
Analysts have warned that New Delhi runs the risk of getting hit with U.S. sanctions if it pushes ahead with the S-400 purchase.



Putin: Global economy coming up against new forms of protectionism 3:34 AM ET Wed, 12 Sept 2018 | 04:02
Countries doing business with Russia's defense and intelligence sectors could face the risk of automatic penalties under a U.S. law called Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) that President Donald Trump enacted last year. Last month, Washington imposed sanctions on China's military for purchasing Russian weapons. And on Thursday, U.S. Army General Joseph Votel criticized Russian deployment of the S-300 in Syria.

India, however, could be exempted from punishment.

"The ability to give waivers was widened by Congress, specifically with India in mind," Rossow said: "The Trump administration made a pitch on a number of occasions to (Capitol) Hill, trying to make sure there was a little bit more space to offer waivers to countries and India was often named in that."

Asian security is a defining characteristic of the U.S.-India relationship, with New Delhi a major player in the U.S. Indo-Pacific initiative —a program that aims to offset rising Chinese influence in the region.

"Washington has been somewhat understanding because India over the last few years has diversified its defense procurement and reduced its dependency on Russia to some extent, which is one of the conditions for gaining a CAATSA waiver," said Rajagopalan.

Also announced by the two countries is an agreement to develop six nuclear power plants in India. Putin and Modi have also agreed to cooperate on India's plan to launch a manned space mission.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/05/india-wants-to-buy-russian-missiles-to-counter-china-influence.html

 

[xyxmt]

That is a sh!tty Indian source. Let's wait and hear from the Americans themselves.

If true, the Americans are the biggest cvnts alive. LOL at their fake sanction threats.

Americans wont say anything yet but they are showing it already, look at the rupee

This is a statement from US embassy in India wait for State department or statement from white house

foreign Embassies always say things in favor of host country