India pulls financial trigger On Russia, puts PAK-FA in slow mode

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

http://theaviationist.com/2015/04/07/t-50-pak-fa-new-problems/

Russian Deputy Minister of Defence Yuri Borisov, has recently announced that the PAK-FA programme may be halted or adjusted, due to the dire conditions of Russia’s economy, affected by the Ukrainian crisis and the subsequent (proxy war and) EU sanctions.

Initially, the Russian Air Force was expected to procure more than 150 PAK-FA next generation stealth fighter jets, with the first examples to be delivered to the active squadrons in 2016. In December 2014, the RuAF plans was to receive the first 55 fighters by 2020.

However, as announced by Russia’s MoD last month, the production will be slowed down and the initial order cut to 12 jets, out of which only 2-3 units will be given to India

meanwhile in India , another story unfolds

Considering the PAK-FA project now will make only 12 planes out of which india will get may be 1-2 planes , they decided they will not invest cash with Russia

Shocking development since , India has never sided so bluntly against Russian interest before

It won't be surprising if Russia goes by itself to complete the PAK-FA project or may be involve China in its Manufacturing

 

[Desertfalcon]

http://theaviationist.com/2015/04/07/t-50-pak-fa-new-problems/
However, as announced by Russia’s MoD last month, the production will be slowed down and the initial order cut to 12 jets

At just twelve jets, it becomes even more financially prohibitive to build the thing.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

http://theaviationist.com/2015/04/07/t-50-pak-fa-new-problems/

Russian Deputy Minister of Defence Yuri Borisov, has recently announced that the PAK-FA programme may be halted or adjusted, due to the dire conditions of Russia’s economy, affected by the Ukrainian crisis and the subsequent (proxy war and) EU sanctions.

Initially, the Russian Air Force was expected to procure more than 150 PAK-FA next generation stealth fighter jets, with the first examples to be delivered to the active squadrons in 2016. In December 2014, the RuAF plans was to receive the first 55 fighters by 2020.

However, as announced by Russia’s MoD last month, the production will be slowed down and the initial order cut to 12 jets, out of which only 2-3 units will be given to India

meanwhile in India , another story unfolds

Considering the PAK-FA project now will make only 12 planes out of which india will get may be 1-2 planes , they decided they will not invest cash with Russia

Shocking development since , India has never sided so bluntly against Russian interest before

It won't be surprising if Russia goes by itself to complete the PAK-FA project or may be involve China in its Manufacturing

This is ONE YEAR old news
The date mentioned here is April 2015

PAK FA is right on Track

@AZADPAKISTAN2009

Dated 25/ JAN/ 2016

https://www.rt.com/business/330026-india-russia-fighter-aircraft/

@AZADPAKISTAN2009

If you think that just by signing a LOGISTICS supply deal with USA
Russia will dump India ; you are TOTALLY mistaken

We have talked to Russia about this ; they UNDERSTAND our Concerns
and we understand their Concerns

The New LSA deal will help us against CHINA

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I am glad it has all been sorted out

 

[nik141993]

Well I am glad it has all been sorted out

at least research properly next time before starting another india backstabbing ,betraying russian thread...i know it every pakistani fantasy & dream but it will only make you look like a fool which i think you already are

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Feb 18th, 2016 - Stealth qualities lacking in PAK-FA

http://www.janes.com/article/58166/...stymied-by-lack-of-fifth-generation-qualities

Singapore Airshow 2016: Analysis - PAK-FA's Asian export hopes stymied by lack of 'fifth-generation' qualities
A number of air forces have a programme to acquire a fifth-generation fighter, but what qualifies an aircraft to carry that label is a "matter of perspective," a US industry representative told IHS Jane's .


Russian industry has consistently referred to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA as a fifth-generation aircraft, but a careful look at the programme reveals that this is an 'in-name-only' designation. What qualifies a fighter aircraft as being a next-generation design is more than just having a stealthy-looking shape, said Lockheed Martin representatives.

***Note Same reps then went to India to seal some deal if you know what I mean , mean while Putin was left
stranded by India

No wonder India is now trying to run from the project

It seems the problems were not sudden but have been going on for long time

a) Lack of finances
b) Lack of support
c) Falling Oil prices
d) Lack of sales

Not to mention India - US defense agreement , which may have played a part to shelve the project from Indian perspective

4-5 Billion for 2 planes

Also what kind of Safety it would be if American would park their planes on same airport as Russian Tech and do their key analysis on Russian tech ?

 

[topgun047]

Retards will be retards.

Let them tire themselves out.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Feb 18th, 2016 - Stealth qualities lacking in PAK-FA

http://www.janes.com/article/58166/...stymied-by-lack-of-fifth-generation-qualities

Singapore Airshow 2016: Analysis - PAK-FA's Asian export hopes stymied by lack of 'fifth-generation' qualities
A number of air forces have a programme to acquire a fifth-generation fighter, but what qualifies an aircraft to carry that label is a "matter of perspective," a US industry representative told IHS Jane's .


Russian industry has consistently referred to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA as a fifth-generation aircraft, but a careful look at the programme reveals that this is an 'in-name-only' designation. What qualifies a fighter aircraft as being a next-generation design is more than just having a stealthy-looking shape, said Lockheed Martin representatives.

No wonder India is now trying to run from the project

What others say about PAK FA does not matter

Rival companies will always say that is a bad plane

India is convinced and we are moving forward on PAK FA

What we know so far is that it will be far superior to SU 30 and SU 35

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Talk is well cheap , considering 8-9 Billion were spent recently on a plane not sure why PAK-FA funding was sidelined
May be India does not consider the project viable

 

[Beast]

This is ONE YEAR old news
The date mentioned here is April 2015

PAK FA is right on Track

@AZADPAKISTAN2009

Dated 25/ JAN/ 2016

https://www.rt.com/business/330026-india-russia-fighter-aircraft/

@AZADPAKISTAN2009

If you think that just by signing a LOGISTICS supply deal with USA
Russia will dump India ; you are TOTALLY mistaken

We have talked to Russia about this ; they UNDERSTAND our Concerns
and we understand their Concerns

The New LSA deal will help us against CHINA

You must be in your dream land to think Russia will help India against China? Russia is just trying to milk India of more money.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-usd-400-billion-gas-deal-114052101243_1.html

Do you think your USD8 billion is more valuable to help Russia economy or Chinese USD400 billion cash?

Russia now regards China as true strategic power.

 

[C130]

Pak-FA is massively underfunded and if it's going to cost 2 or even 3 times more than a Su-35 don't think it's going to be successful.

 

[AugenBlick]

Pak-FA is massively underfunded and if it's going to cost 2 or even 3 times more than a Su-35 don't think it's going to be successful.

Then we will buy individual tech from PAK-FA for our AMCA.

 

[C130]

Then we will buy individual tech from PAK-FA for our AMCA.

if Russia is having a hard time developing a 5th gen fighter do you honestly think India will fair better with it's own?

India is known to underfund ambitious programs.


AMCA is at least a $20 billion dollar R&D project

 

[AugenBlick]

if Russia has having a hard time developing a 5th gen fighter do you honestly think India will fair better??

India is known to underfunded ambitious programs.


AMCA is at least a $20 billion dollar R&D project

I agree it will be tough for India. A lot of "soft" work is done on AMCA already (basic design and project feasibility). Engine will be either GE-F414-IN6 or enhanced EJ which takes huge pressure off our shoulders.(new airframe will be coupled with reliable engine) But real work has not been started yet and this time the lead integrator will be the ADA instead of our state led co - HAL. more private sector participation is there and the plane is not in the heavy catogory. This time we also have many aerospace labs already established (which was not the case with the LCA , most infra needed to be made from scratch.)

We are basically banking on the following
LCA experience (biggest plus)
ToT in Rafael deal(mostly production tech but IDK what exactly India will get.)
Ability to buy hard to develop tech from western/Israeli/Russian Firms.
Better MIC due to mandatory sourcing requirement of Indian Govt.
@Abingdonboy can you list more reasons why AMCA will sail smoother?

 

[Endeavour]

Nowhere in the original article it says that india will get 2 or 3 planes.
How come OP just adds lines on his whims and fancy ?