India planning nuclear first strikes against Pakistan (New York Times)

[footmarks]

Second post. What surprises me from all the BS (CalmDown especially) I have read so far is the lack of reality check each side has. India with its new doctrine of first strike can somehow 'destroy' most (??) of the nuclear weapons Pakistan possess thereby 'winning' a nuclear war. What nonsense!!!!!
I am sure Pakistan has modelled its response similar to the US-Russian Cold War MAD scenario. There weapons are not displayed for the world to see as much as the Indian hindutva ideology suggests. There is a reasons for the TELs. They weapons are mobile and probably spread across the country. Unless India possesses atomic yields which will destroy every inch of Pakistan then stop this BS. Morons have no idea and become arm chair generals pretending they have every scenario catered for!!!

A war strategy, which is in public domain (like this first use policy), is not a strategy but just a part of strategy to sow seeds of doubt in the enemy state. This is just posturing and counter posturing - to keep each other guessing about each other's response in case of a war, a planned ambiguity. In reality, we might not have any nuclear war at all (hopefully).

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

Second post. What surprises me from all the BS (CalmDown especially) I have read so far is the lack of reality check each side has. India with its new doctrine of first strike can somehow 'destroy' most (??) of the nuclear weapons Pakistan possess thereby 'winning' a nuclear war. What nonsense!!!!!
I am sure Pakistan has modelled its response similar to the US-Russian Cold War MAD scenario. There weapons are not displayed for the world to see as much as the Indian hindutva ideology suggests. There is a reasons for the TELs. They weapons are mobile and probably spread across the country. Unless India possesses atomic yields which will destroy every inch of Pakistan then stop this BS. Morons have no idea and become arm chair generals pretending they have every scenario catered for!!!

Damn their ; Kindly see to the tongue
You got me
to that specific bullshit going on which we here usually see to is the nuclear doctrine of all the three countries
as we can't exclude it that there favorite friend china wont exert pressure due to its unc membership or a regional super power and about your TEL'S please suggest me that they will fire it from where in punjab province or from rajisthan dessert region.....or from the Himalayas top......with their so called tactical nuke's
Your's lovingly

Calm DOWN@all

 

[danger007]

If nuclear war actually happens, neither the Indian holy animal, nor the middle eastern god can save people on either side of the border. A nuclear bomb do not believe in god, nor it regards any religious place.

India has strategic depth to save more people or survive but not for Pakistan...

 

[koolio]

India has strategic depth to save more people or survive but not for Pakistan...

HOW??? care to explain

 

[salarsikander]

If nuclear war actually happens, neither the Indian holy animal, nor the middle eastern god can save people on either side of the border. A nuclear bomb do not believe in god, nor it regards any religious place.

Wtf do you mean middle eastern god.
Post reported for is Insult

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

Wtf do you mean middle eastern god.
Post reported for is Insult

What about this one dude....

i think sikhs in india should stop their govt to nuke Pakistan otherwise their Holy places in Pakistan will be destroyed

Your's lovingly

Calm DOWN@all

 

[footmarks]

Wtf do you mean middle eastern god.
Post reported for is Insult

How is that insulting? and to whom?

 

[salarsikander]

nor the middle eastern god can sav

What gives this sick bharti troll the right to say Middle eastern god?? Like seriously wtf

This is so insulting and disrespect. I don't say that animals Hindu Indian gods will not protect them. @waz @Jungibaaz How care he insulted my religion.

 

[footmarks]

Wtf do I have to with it? Am I mod ?


Wtf do you mean middle eastern hod. Why the fk you're bringing religious discussion ?m

Did imsay that your animals gods which are confused to gangs only will be wiped out, did I ?
How would ya feel?
Post reported again for showing sheer ignorant and disrespect

OMG, did you read my post in full, or just got offended by the mere mention of a geographical area? My post was anything but a religious one. Hell, I said no religion is relevant for a nuclear bomb, neither your god, nor mine, nor anyone else's can save us from the wrath of a nuclear bomb. Anyways, feel free to report anything that you don't like.

 

[salarsikander]

Ababeel (Urdu: أبابيل‎; lit. Swallow) is a surface-to-surface medium-range ballistic missile developed by Pakistan, with a maximum range of 2,200 kilometres (1,400 mi).[1] The missile can carry both conventional[citation needed] and nuclear warheads, and is claimed to use multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRV),[2] a first for Pakistan's arsenal.

distance :2350km

distance :2345km

2,613 km
Distance from Punjab to Kanyakumari

2,975 km
Distance from Punjab to Andaman and Nicobar Islands

Your's lovingly

Calm DOWN@all

Irrelevant pic reported.
You have problem report it with mods.I will report when I see a problem. Don't care about your issue

 

[footmarks]

What gives this sick bharti troll the right to say Middle eastern god?? Like seriously wtf

This is so insulting and disrespect. I don't say that animals Hindu Indian gods will not protect them. @waz @Jungibaaz How care he insulted my religion.

Easy man, I don't even know your religion. And I also mentioned Indian holy animal, no one got offended by that.

 

[koolio]

Ababeel (Urdu: أبابيل‎; lit. Swallow) is a surface-to-surface medium-range ballistic missile developed by Pakistan, with a maximum range of 2,200 kilometres (1,400 mi).[1] The missile can carry both conventional[citation needed] and nuclear warheads, and is claimed to use multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRV),[2] a first for Pakistan's arsenal.

distance :2350km

distance :2345km

2,613 km
Distance from Punjab to Kanyakumari

2,975 km
Distance from Punjab to Andaman and Nicobar Islands

Your's lovingly

Calm DOWN@all

You have failed to answer my question, you have just said India has more strategic depth to survive in an event of nuclear confrontation, the bottom line is India will turn into a nuclear wasteland with countless deaths, the radiation will spread all over India, so how is India going to recover, India will suffer 10 times more than Pakistan.

 

[footmarks]

You explilcity said middle eastern god. I didn't see anything of animal man hybrid Indian dog !
I see what you did there

We have north Indian gods, South Indian gods, no one ever feel offended by it. Unless you absolutely hate middle east, I dont see any insult in that statement. Don't attach your own belief with that statement, that could be Jesus, Zoroaster, or any other god too (many religions started in the middle east).

Report me, ban me, do whatever you want. But I didn't insult any god. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

 

[waz]

@footmarks be careful with your comments. I know you meant it in a holistic sense.

 

[Soumitra]

You have failed to answer my question, you have just said India has more strategic depth to survive in an event of nuclear confrontation, the bottom line is India will turn into a nuclear wasteland with countless deaths, the radiation will spread all over India, so how is India going to recover, India will suffer 10 times more than Pakistan.

This is my post from another thread. Hope it helps

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India will not start a Nuclear War. India's policy is No First use and massive second strike

First make up your minds. Will you use tactical nukes first or use all of your nukes at once. Either way it will result in massive second strike. Using all nukes at once (technically not possible) will be a foolish exercise as it will give you nothing for the second strike

Lets say that Lahore is in danger of being overrun will you try to save Lahore first or say to hell with Lahore we will nuke Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad

Now to those who say we have less nukes than Pakistan the answer is simple. We have less nukes as we require less nukes to target a country with lesser area and population

Just see this Population density map

No need to target yellow areas. Just see the red areas and you can see how a large number of people are concentrated in a relatively smaller area. You can see how many nukes are required to target the red areas

Now the similar map of India

We have a larger population and spread over a larger area. To target this you will need larger number of nukes

Now lets talk numbers

Last pakistan census in 1998 (shows how efficient your govt is that you cant conduct a census for almost 20 years) has just 8 cities with population over a million and if we consider cities with over 500,000 it is 10 cities,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Pakistan

To target these 10 cities nukes needed

Karachi 3-4 Nukes
Lahore 2-3 Nukes
Faisalabad 2-3 Nukes
Rawalpindi 1-2 Nukes
Multan 1-2 Nukes
Hyderabad 1-2 Nukes
Gurjanawala 1 Nuke
Peshawar 1 Nuke
Quetta (No need to target. We need friendly govt in Baluchistan )
Islamabad 1 Nuke

Total 13- 16 nukes lets round it up to 20 nukes

Now compare the same with India

there are 46 cities with a million + population and approx 100 cities if you take population of over 500,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_India_by_population

It should be obvious to you that you do not have numbers to cover all these cities

Lets talk numbers. Lets say you target only Big Important Cities

Mumbai 6-7 Nukes
Delhi 12-14 Nukes Delhi area is double that of Mumbai
Bangalore 7-8 Nukes
Hyderabad 6-7 Nukes
Ahemdabad 4-5 Nukes
Chennai 4-5 Nukes
Kolkata 4-5 Nukes
Surat 2-3 Nukes
Pune 2-3 Nukes
Jaipur 1-2 Nukes
Lucknow 1-2 Nukes

49-61 Nukes lets round it to 65 nukes

You will be using almost 60% of your arsenal in just trying to target 10-11 Indian cities