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sure, will do.
SOME of the mid 2008-2009 IAF Mikoyan-Gurevich 'highlights'
MIG-21 crashes in Assam
Another MiG-21 trainer crashes, pilots safe - India - NEWS - The Times of India
MiG-27 crashes near Alipurduar in WB
MiG-27 crashes near Alipurduar in WB
Mig-21 crashes near Surya Kiran, pilot killed
IAF pilot killed in Surya Kiran plane crash in Karnataka - India - NEWS - The Times of India
MiG-27 aircraft crashes
7 civilians injured as MiG-27 crashes - India - NEWS - The Times of India
Mig-21 crashes near Jodhpur
Mig-21 crashes near Jodhpur, pilot safe - India - NEWS - The Times of India
MiG-21 crashes in Upper Assam
Another MiG-21 crashes, pilot ejects safely - India - NEWS - The Times of India
Indian Mig 21 fighter aircraft crashes; pilot killed
http://www.ptinews.com/news/240820_Indian-Navy-fighter-aircraft-crashes--pilot-killed
MIG 21 crashes in Punjab, pilot killed
MIG 21 crashes in Punjab, pilot killed
sure, will do.
rest of the article is here:
Russia blames India for MiG crashes,Security Issues, News Analysis, India News Online
Those are the "theories" of the manufacturer.
well it seems that HALS magical ability to keep the migs-21s and other workhorse aircrafts OUT of the sky is saying something. Su30s in IAF are essentially brand new aircrafts with much service life left in them if maintained properly. But after the loss of the first flanker, iaf grounded its entire fleet of flankers for almost a month! Given HALs previous maintenance record plus the fact that iaf is purchasing inferior parts for its aircrafts, i have reason to have doubts over the airworthiness of these aircrafts perhaps 5-10 years down the line. Even the Mig-21s are still WIDELY used in the fleets of many Air Forces of the world, and the only one with the *atrocious * crash record would be that of the hindustany air force.
No offence intended, but I would like to say that "Ignorant always aims for the Moon" as far as above post is concerned. You easily highlighted Russian part of the stories and made it as a basis for discrediting IAF and subsequently HAL. It seems to me that you need to read the following, if you ever found that it may not be accomodating your style of posting.
Defence officials unsettled
The Indian defence establishment was left scrambling by the first-ever Russian allegation that the IAFs MiG-series aircraft were crashing because of use of low quality spares, writes Laskar.
Neither the Defence Ministry nor the IAF issued an official reaction to Barkovskys comments that New Delhi had been creating conditions for frequent crashes by buying spares of doubtful quality from former East Bloc countries.
A senior IAF official, who did not want to be named, however, said the allegation was apparently a desperate sales pitch from Russia, which is increasingly losing its dominant position in the Indian arms market.
The MiG Corporation is a sales corporation, and every arms manufacturer wants to project his weapon system or product as being better than others, the official said. When India begins purchasing products from other sources, a vendors interests are bound to be affected, the official added.
India, which began an ambitious drive to modernise its armed forces following the Kargil border conflict with Pakistan in mid-1999, emerged as the worlds second largest arms buyer last year. According to a U.S. Congressional report, India concluded defence deals worth $4.8 billion.
Russia emerged as the second largest supplier of defence hardware after the U.S. during the same period, making sales worth $7.4 billion. Russias two main clients are China and India.
Sources in the IAF said India had begun purchasing spares from countries like Poland after supplies from Moscow were disrupted following the break-up of the erstwhile Soviet Union. Emergency purchase of spares for MiG aircraft was also made during the Kargil conflict.
The former IAF Chief, Air Chief Marshal S.K. Kaul, said most problems with MiG-series aircraft arose from design faults, and not the spares used in them.
We had major problems with the MiG-29s engines and airframe. A Russian team came to India to sort them out, said Kaul, who headed the IAF during 1993-95. It was during his tenure that the IAF began purchasing spares from sources other than Russia.
No hardware manufacturer wants to acknowledge faults with his equipment. If there was nothing wrong with the MiG-21, why have so many modifications been made to it? he said.
The former Air Chief dismissed Barkovskys claims that the IAF had not given the MiG Corporation full details of accidents, preventing corrective measures from being put in place. This is baloney, he said.
The spares obtained from sources other than Russia, Kaul said, were purchased only after rigorous quality control checks. Besides, all these spares were made using the MiG Corporations technology, whether they were produced directly or by sub-contractors. Would we be fools to put sub-standard spares in our aircraft?
Kaul claimed that the Russian allegations were apparently due to the MiG Corporations fears that it would lose out on lucrative contracts to upgrade the IAFs MiG-series aircraft.
Although the IAF is currently upgrading 125 MiG-21s with Russian assistance, New Delhi has been looking to other countries, including Israel, for help in extending the life of its Mig-27 and MiG-29 aircraft.
No go through the rest and tell me your style of thinking. And regarding MKI's grounding for the month after the crash, I would like to have a link for that rather then hot air.
More pertinently & relevantly, if a few older tech Anza-Is and IIs proved their worth in 1999 (i believe some of your pilots became well acquainted with them ) --then i think dispatching a few Spada-2000s and a few small teams of Army A.D. with RBS-70 laser guided shaped-charge armour piercing SAMs would suffice against the flanker threat. I am not even talking about PAF interception, just ground air defence.
If you are apparently referring to Kargil Air war, Let me enlighten you, IAF lost only Mig-21 and Helicopter gunship to your great Anza's. Mig-27 apparently crash due to engine failure and pilot of this aircraft was in Pakistan's custody itself to gave his account but still to boost the morale, Pakistan paints the picture of shotting down Mig-27 as well, despite the fact that none of the those manpads could hit it.
As i said earlier, with a steady eye and hand the RBS system by itself would prove to be reasonably effective -as CM would have little impact on its trajectory
For that matter, Modern airforces in the world use something regarded as a SEAD.