India Placing Sukhoi's near Pak Border

[ISRO2]

The thing causing trouble to you is causing trouble to us too....Is it too difficult to understand?

A terrorist is a terrorist for all. If it’s bad for you then it’s equally bad for us too. Perhaps a too difficult to concept to understand for many ignorant Indians...

Pakistan should NOT indulge into any talks with India regarding any matter till the time the Indian Govt and media doesn’t SHUT THE F**K UP and start to show some maturity.

Sir Same can be said for pakistan. 26/11 happened in india. Pakistan wants evidence from india. Aint that foolishness? Did terrorist kasab with his dead fellas came india TWICE? What evidence? They trained in pakistan. Ur goverment should better search evidence there. What ur goverment wants? Did they want hafiz saeed video in which he eating biryani and kasab with his dead fellas training front of him? What progress pakistan goverment done yet in matter of 26/11? We are fedup now. i think india done right by deploying sukhoi-30MKI near our borders. Next terrorist attack su-30MKI might come handy sir.

 

[Hulk]

Dude US attacks are part of a secret agreement. but If indian tried any so called SURGICAL STRIKES it will provoke a nuclear war.

lol nobody has guts to drop a nuclear bomb neither India or Pakistan
or China.

 

[hack]

First of all there is no talk in the OP's link about putting the MKI near the Pakistan border..second of all it is only to be expected that India will start spreading out the MKI now that the numbers are getting built up.Eventually India will have around 280 of these planes..can't place them all at Pune can she?

 

[X11]

There is no imminent threat from China.

The planes are in border, probably to respond immediately in case of another terrorist attack from Pakistan.

 

[Rank]

There is no imminent threat from China.

The planes are in border, probably to respond immediately in case of another terrorist attack from Pakistan.

EXACTLY like before and you think PAF and PA eat popcorn right ? and watch you ????

lol oo comeon come on bemature and comeout from this BS bollywood dreams! this is not your Shahrukh khan movie !!

 

[Nemesis]

The opening post clearly states that India is strengthening defenses along the L.A.C - Line of Actual Control with China. So where is the relevance of discussing India-Pak here?

 

[Storm Force]

To Be fair most of the recent build up it appears is China specific reading in various websits.

Also with IAF inducting so many MKI around 230 to 280 some where always eventually going to be stationed not far from LOC.

 

[blain2]

This is entirely off topic, but, wth.
Ok Blain, so the Pak authorities are not willing to go after these 'non-state' actors! Otoh, the authorities are willing to go to war with India to save these non-state actors' rears! Does that mean the authorities are protecting these "assets" and are complicit, by supporting and protecting them, in their actions? You do realize, irrespective of your patriotic sentiments, the ramifications for Pakistan if they continue with this same rhetoric?
Chanakya 'neeti' is so voraciously vilified in these very forums as being very cunning! India, being accused of following Chanakya neeti, was naive or scared not to attack Pakistan post Mumbai attacks? Dont you see Chanakya neeti in the play here by not conducting surgical strikes or going to war with Pakistan?

Folks,

Non-state actors are acting against Pakistan too. Lest you have not seen reports, there was a bomb attack against Police in Pakistan. We in Pakistan know that there is logistical support for these elements in Afghanistan. Does that mean that Pakistan too goes for "surgical" strikes?

Lets consider this before suggesting surgical strikes against sovereign nations. Pakistan cannot be held responsible for militant attacks specially when there is a war going on next door, people are getting trained, equipped and motivated to conduct terrorist operations all around. So in this case, Pakistan and India are both victims.

To this date, not one solid proof has been provided to Pakistan that elements in the Mumbai attacks were aided by any state entity in Pakistan. Secondly it makes no sense for any state element in Pakistan to want to carry out attacks such as the Mumbai one. Pakistan did not gain anything and actually had more pressure piled up on her as a result.

Pakistan in indeed responsible for her citizens, however lets talk about what is realistically possible for Pakistan to control. Unrealistic demands like controlling everyone especially when Pakistan itself is fighting a huge CI campaign is unreal. If anything, in the future these very same elements will carry out operations to undermine the Pakistani efforts and cause further conflict between Pakistan and India. The need for India is to work on fixing its anti-terror capability and intelligence. Pakistan is already moving in the right direction of trying to get a grip over these elements, however there is no way for Pakistan to clamp down completely and blindly.

 

[blain2]

The opening post clearly states that India is strengthening defenses along the L.A.C - Line of Actual Control with China. So where is the relevance of discussing India-Pak here?

Because of this:

DAWN.COM | World | India to deploy two fighter squadrons near border

In addition to the MKIs, there is talk of deploying MI-17s as well which may be for CSAR among other things. The intent is being put on display to tell Pakistan that MKIs will be used and in case they are taken down, IAF will try to retrieve their pilots around the Punjab/AK regions.

 

[blain2]

EXACTLY like before and you think PAF and PA eat popcorn right ? and watch you ????

lol oo comeon come on bemature and comeout from this BS bollywood dreams! this is not your Shahrukh khan movie !!

Stealth,

That concern that you outline is maybe something that IAF and GoI have already taken into consideration. The point is that if something like Mumbai happens again, there will be hostilities because the public pressure on any Indian government would be unbearable. As such Pakistan has to put in planning for effective responses to the Indian side. Pakistan does not have the option of letting an Indian surgical strike to go through without imposing a cost. However maybe Indians have thought about these things and are willing to give it a go.

My own concern would simply be that Pakistan must do the best she can to control the activities of Pakistani citizens vis-a-vis India. Beyond that, we should be ready to pay in kind.

 

[Ruag]

Source? By the way, what stops you from holding a referendum in Kashmir? Yep, that's what I thought.

Source?! What happened? Are there no credible history books near the place you live? No wonder I keep reading these made-up "facts" about Indian history.

Nevermind... I understand. After living for years under Zia's Ministry of Propaganda, anybody will lose the habit of reading neutral and credible history textbooks. Here you go...

Encyclopaedia of North-East India: Sikkim, by Hamlet Bareh. ISBN 9788170997948

Sikkim an erstwhile monarchy became the 22nd state of the Indian Union in May 1975 as a result of a referendum by the people of Sikkim and an agreement between Chogyal Palden Thendup Namgyal, the then Maharaja of Sikkim and the Government of India.

Students' Britannica India, Volumes 1-5, By Dale Hoiberg

In a 1975 special referendum, more than 97 per cent electorate voted for the merger of Sikkim with India.

And regarding India's position on the referendum in Kashmir, it has already been clarified numerous times by the Government of India. Google it yourself... I'm not your internet search engine. Also... make a effort to go through the terms of the Security Council Resolution 47.

 

[hack]

Because of this:

DAWN.COM | World | India to deploy two fighter squadrons near border

In addition to the MKIs, there is talk of deploying MI-17s as well which may be for CSAR among other things. The intent is being put on display to tell Pakistan that MKIs will be used and in case they are taken down, IAF will try to retrieve their pilots around the Punjab/AK regions.

Blain..as I said before would this not be a normal dispersal of MKI's now that numbers are getting built up? A lot of these aircraft's are getting procured so they will be dispersed naturally.Why should it be considered a threat?

 

[IceCold]

Stealth,

That concern that you outline is maybe something that IAF and GoI have already taken into consideration. The point is that if something like Mumbai happens again, there will be hostilities because the public pressure on any Indian government would be unbearable. As such Pakistan has to put in planning for effective responses to the Indian side. Pakistan does not have the option of letting an Indian surgical strike to go through without imposing a cost. However maybe Indians have thought about these things and are willing to give it a go.

My own concern would simply be that Pakistan must do the best she can to control the activities of Pakistani citizens vis-a-vis India. Beyond that, we should be ready to pay in kind.

i would disagree over the highlighted part, the reason for my disagreement is because the GOI itself along side with its media builts up that huge anti Pakistan campaign once something of this sort occurs. The minute something goes wrong, the very next they start blaming Pakistan without the need to find some proofs first. What happens next is that it builds so much of public anger that it becomes unberable for the GOI however point being made here is that if the GOI does not do that and wait for the actual out come of the invesitagations before pointing fingers on Pakistan and blaming it, such unberable situation would never arrise. But just because GOI itself plays to build public anger against Pakistan through statements and media, they cannot hold Pakistan hostage and this is unacceptable that they would not be able to mount the public pressure from not striking Pakistan.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

simple. Place 2 MBDA Spada 2000 installations on the border, and also a few small but effective units of Army Air defence which would be on high alert. Set aside large numbers of RBS 70 manpads systems, which are laser and infrared guided and thusly almost impossible to use counter measures against if handled by someone with a very steady hand and eye. And yes, this move by hindoostan is more China centric. But we should follow their moves closely, which is what we're doing. China won't sit idly that's a given

 

[blain2]

Blain..as I said before would this not be a normal dispersal of MKI's now that numbers are getting built up? A lot of these aircraft's are getting procured so they will be dispersed naturally.Why should it be considered a threat?

Its a threat like any other. We are just reacting to attention that Indian media and Air Force personnel have brought upon the issue. MKI, Mirage, Fulcrum, Bison, Jaguar etc. are all primed at Pakistan when push comes to shove, so our security posture would cater to all. The only issue to think about is that IAF consider MKI as their most potent aircraft and when they deploy it by publicly announcing it, then a statement is being made.

You will never hear about PAF deployments around the country. They go on all the time with various sqns and types being deployed around the country. So there is slightly more to it than meets the eye. In the end, IAF is definitely within her right to deploy whatever assets they want to anywhere inside of India, however our reaction and that of the Pakistani press is the expected one.