India, Pakistan and the Battle for Afghanistan

[TruthHurts]

Looks like truth hurtz ur getting cyber sodomised here.Better u get ur crap together and leave.Murdagah

When you have no replies you turn to obscene language? Shut up before I report you.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

stop posting before all PAKISTANIS report u for trolling.........

 

[jinxeD_girl]

TruthHurtz,

I have a SIMPLE question for you. You "claim" that Punjabis and Sindhis oppress Pashtunz of Pakistan. Then why Pashtunz of Afghanistan are systemically killing and oppressing Hazaras. Two wrongs don't make it right? You are MORE concerned about the right of people in OTHER countries as compared to the rights of people in YOUR OWN country.

That is not what I SAY. That is what HAZARAS SAY. Here is the OFFICIAL website of HAZARAS and see what they claim :-

http://www.hazara.net/hazara/FAQ/faq.html

Are Hazaras Anti-Pushtuns?
Historically the Pushtun dominated governments of Afghanistan has showed extreme prejudice towards the Hazaras. The genocide of Hazara by the Pushtun ruler Amir Abdur Rahman Khan (1890) has been documented by the British Newswriters during the year 1890's.

[ see Diaries of Kandahar ]
Michael Sample, a Hazara history expert and humanitarian aid worker, traces history for the cause of Pushtun prejudice towards the Hazaras.

Recently the Pushtun dominated Taleban have once again showed their hatred against the Hazaras. The genocide of the Hazaras based on their religion and ethnicity has been documented by the UN, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International. [ See Genocide of Hazaras ]

While The Taleban are majority Pushtuns, not all Pushtuns are Talibans. Hazaras in neighboring countries have had a very peacful relationship with Pushtun. One only needs to goto neighboring Pakistan where Pushtuns and Hazaras have co-existed side by side for decades. Hazaras inside Pakistan has also been part of the Pushtunkwah Milli Party inside Pakistan and has given thousands of votes to the Mahmood Khan Achakzai, the leader of the Pushtunkwah party. Hazaras in Loralai, Quetta Pakistan has even held political alliance with Pushtuns.

 

[TruthHurts]

stop posting before all PAKISTANIS report u for trolling.........

Do you mean for replying and posting rebuttals? Is that your definition of trolling?

People quoted me, I responded. I ignored a few people which I knew were uneducated to begin with due to previous interactions and those who I found interesting I responded too.

 

[jinxeD_girl]

TruthHurtz,

Why Hazaras are treated as THIRD CLASS citizens in Afghanistan? What did these people do? besides being looking "Mongols". Don't you think these people deserve some respect ?

http://img519.imageshack.us/i/manwkids3.jpg/

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Has any PAKISTANI pushtun agreed with you?if not isnt it called creating rifts and trying to troll?by flame baiting?

 

[TruthHurts]

TruthHurts

I have a SIMPLE question for you.

Sure,

You "claim" that Punjabis and Sindhis oppress Pashtunz of Pakistan.

In certain parts yea. I have sources and personal experiences to back it up. But let's not get swayed away.

Then why Pashtunz of Afghanistan are systemically killing and oppressing Hazaras.

Things have changed now, Hazara's are not being "killed" at all, Show me some recent sources that support your argument.

Two wrongs don't make it right?

I agree, they don't. Both countries need improvement, not only Pakistan, If a Pashtun discriminates, he is WRONG, If a Pashtun is a lier, he is wrong. I will not support anyone who spreads lies and treat innocent humans bad. Like I said, good and bad exist in all societies.

You are MORE concerned about the right of people in OTHER countries as compared to the rights of people in YOUR OWN country.

My Country is the U.S.A, So what are you talking about? In my country we have awesome rights.

However, with that being said, I care for both Pakistan and Afghanistan because that is where my people reside.
Quite obviously my people live in both countries, so I equally care for both countries.
http://www.heritage.org/research/middleeast/images/bg2076_map1-lg.jpg

That is not what I SAY. That is what HAZARAS SAY. Here is the OFFICIAL website of HAZARAS and see what they claim :-

That is not an "Official website" The contact button does not even work.
I can make a website right now and make all Punjabi's look bad(which I won't do, cause Punjabis are also my Muslim brothers) It wont make much sense right?

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Are Hazaras Anti-Pushtuns?
Historically the Pushtun dominated governments of Afghanistan has showed extreme prejudice towards the Hazaras. The genocide of Hazara by the Pushtun ruler Amir Abdur Rahman Khan (1890) has been documented by the British Newswriters during the year 1890's.

Once again, Pretty much all the rulers of Afghanistan were Pashtuns, Even the founder of Afghanistan Ahmad Shah Baba was a Pashtun. Not every ruler was against "Hazara" I have nothing against them. Just cause one ruler was nasty towards them give no one any right to generalize an ethnic group of 40-50million. Don't you think so?
[ see Diaries of Kandahar ]

Recently the Pushtun dominated Taleban have once again showed their hatred against the Hazaras. The genocide of the Hazaras based on their religion and ethnicity has been documented by the UN, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International. [ See Genocide of Hazaras ]

Notice keyword Taliban.

While The Taleban are majority Pushtuns, not all Pushtuns are Talibans. Hazaras in neighboring countries have had a very peacful relationship with Pushtun.

You see, not all Pashtuns hate them. I as an American do not hate them.

One only needs to goto neighboring Pakistan where Pushtuns and Hazaras have co-existed side by side for decades. Hazaras inside Pakistan has also been part of the Pushtunkwah Milli Party inside Pakistan and has given thousands of votes to the Mahmood Khan Achakzai, the leader of the Pushtunkwah party. Hazaras in Loralai, Quetta Pakistan has even held political alliance with Pushtuns.

So as you can see the main problem with them was the Taliban, not the Pashtun community.

 

[TruthHurts]

TruthHurtz,

Why Hazaras are treated as THIRD CLASS citizens in Afghanistan? What did these people do? besides being looking "Mongols". Don't you think these people deserve some respect ?

http://img519.imageshack.us/i/manwkids3.jpg/

Of course they do. I will fight for their rights just as much as well.


It wouldn't make much sense if I am on a Pakistani forums fighting for Hazara rights now would it?

 

[TruthHurts]

Has any PAKISTANI pushtun agreed with you?if not isnt it called creating rifts and trying to troll?by flame baiting?

The Pakistani's that did agree with me got banned. Calm down brother, my intentions are not bad. Take it easy,

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its useless to argue with an idiot.I advise my PAKISTANI brothers and sisters not to reply to this troll.
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
DOWN WITH HATERS OF MOTHERLAND

 

[jinxeD_girl]

You see, not all Pashtuns hate them. I as an American do not hate them.

Ok I am confused.. what the hell are you? You keep on switching back and forth...

and when someones tries to debate with you.. you call them walking/talking contradictions..

You keep on saying you are American, but you are more concerned about the rights of Pashtuns ahem ahem Afghans!! Are you ashamed that you are AFGHAN and have to hide behind "American" cover...

Don't worry.. I can understand your shame.. if I belonged to 4th world country.. I would do the same..

 

[TruthHurts]

jinxeD_girl,

Let me throw a question at you now and answer me honestly.

Have you ever met a PASHTUN FACE TO FACE regardless of nationality who has constantly badmouthed Pakistan as a WHOLE?

I haven't, yes they have rights issues, but Pakistan is a 3rd world country, I can't expect rights like I have as an American.

But even ME, personally, I do NOT hate Pakistan, I actually like Pakistan and have families who have been living in Pakistan for hundreds of years, back when Pakistan was not even a country.

I have NOTHING against the country, I don't understand why you would think such a thing, I also don't know who you met that has gave you such a bad impression of my people. We Afghans(Pashtuns) have nuclear scientists,Flied to space,had Pakistani presidents,Afghan presidents,we have communities all over the world yet you generalize a nation of 50million by a few online encounters, Id like you to re-consider, and I am more then open for a dialogue.

I might came off harsh previously, but merely because I was playing devils advocate and making a point. But Id like to see your reply.

 

[TruthHurts]

Ok I am confused.. what the hell are you? You keep on switching back and forth..

Sister,
I am an AMERICAN by nationality.
And I belong to the Pashtun ethnic group.

So for you to Say I am an Afghanistani or Pakistani its wrong.

Just like how your country has my people, the U.S.A does as well.

I am not switching sides, I think I have made myself clear now.

and when someones tries to debate with you.. you call them walking/talking contradictions..

I am sorry but when people can't put 2+2 together and commit so many fallacies for no reason not to mention contradictions, I am left with no options, Ill refrain next time for being so straight-forward, so sorry for that.

You keep on saying you are American,

Which I am by birth.

but you are more concerned about the rights of Pashtuns ahem ahem Afghans!!

Because American is not an ethnicity dear, I am a Pashtun(Afghan) by ethnicity, and I am an American by nationality.

Are you ashamed that you are AFGHAN and have to hide behind "American" cover...

LOL, cmon now, Sister, This is not difficult at all.

Lets try again.

I am an American because I am born and raised in the U.S.A

I am a Pashtun because that is my ethnicity.

Comprende?

Don't worry.. I can understand your shame.. if I belonged to 4th world country.. I would do the same..

As you can see, This is why I was ignoring you, You simply can't debate. I am being nice, and you're here telling me the U.S.A is a 4th world country, Quite atrocious if you ask me. I don't understand why its so hard for you to swallow that I am an American Pashtun.

 

[jinxeD_girl]

jinxeD_girl,

Let me throw a question at you now and answer me honestly.

Have you ever met a PASHTUN FACE TO FACE regardless of nationality who has constantly badmouthed Pakistan as a WHOLE?

I haven't, yes they have rights issues, but Pakistan is a 3rd world country, I can't expect rights like I have as an American.

But even ME, personally, I do NOT hate Pakistan, I actually like Pakistan and have families who have been living in Pakistan for hundreds of years, back when Pakistan was not even a country.

I have NOTHING against the country, I don't understand why you would think such a thing, I also don't know who you met that has gave you such a bad impression of my people. We Afghans(Pashtuns) have nuclear scientists,Flied to space,had Pakistani presidents,Afghan presidents,we have communities all over the world yet you generalize a nation of 50million by a few online encounters, Id like you to re-consider, and I am more then open for a dialogue.

I might came off harsh previously, but merely because I was playing devils advocate and making a point. But Id like to see your reply.

Let me tell you one thing.. Pakistani Pashtuns are CITIZENS of Pakistan... They have same rights as any other Pakistani. As a Punjabi, I will open my doors for them if something happens to them. They are OUR people.

On the other hand, Afghans are not CITIZENS of Pakistan. You guyz should be thankful that we let you inside Pakistan. If you guyz hate Pakistan so much... then GET OUT OF PAKISTAN. You claim you have right to be in NWFP and Balochistan. BUT, if you hate Punjabis so much, then get out of Islamabad, Lahore, Multan etc.. You guyz have NO RIGHT TO BE HERE...

Now don't start Afghan = Pashtun trolling.. I am talking about Afghan nationality... NOT ethnicity.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

waste of time to reply a ignorant