India Offers “Tejas” to Sri Lanka To Counter Pakistan’s JF-17

[gslv mk3]

And 4 years are enough to develop a jet, its not an aircraft carrier or alien ship like Tejas.

 

[zebra7]

1. You Indians are so funny sometimes...You and Your people quoted me to mock that JF-17 does not even have a trainer then I said PAF is happy with Simulators, and now you are saying that "YOU DO NOT FEEL" that its good and trainer will always be there...So Sir with due respect you are "NOBODY" and your opinion matters zero % .....So now you indians are gonna teach PAF what is good and what's not..!

First there is no reason to get exaggerated with my post. Can you show me any of my post in the whole PDF where I mock or make fun of the JF-17 for not having a trainer. Its PAF decision whether they need a trainer or not. There are many fighter plane who don't have a trainer, but trainer and simulator is two different things, and both are needed. Since you don't seems to be an Open Minded and starting to question me, my value, my opinion the only thing I would like to say is Do you think that Mushtaq or Super Mushtaq is not needed and only simulator is needed for Basic trainer. BTW it should be called LIFT (Lead in Flight Trainer). India have Basic trainer, Intermediate jet trainer, and advance jet trainer cum Lift Hack and Pakistan don't have any intermediate or Advance Jet trainer/LIFT.

Be happy I refrain myself from discussion with you on this topic.

2. Dont talk about the thing which you have no knowledge of, As Alan Warnes said, its always been Pakistan trying to export JF-17 and flying this jet in all air shows to attract buyers, China has other better jets than this to export, obviously as this was JV so China does play its part and "Trainer" version was started when the first buyer according to ACM demanded for trainer version too... Go check JF-17 Info thread pool and do read the latest ACM interview, I think Horus has posted that...!

Why did Pakistan been always ahead than Chinese trying to export FC-1 ? Does Pakistan have more experience in export market in arms than China ? Think rationally I know you like your JF-17 but in reality its just a simple Plane designed for the export in mind and cheaper cost. What is attractive is not the aircraft but the weapon package associated with this Chinese plane. Similarly the trainer version was required to confirm the export order. And the main question arises is what is the contribution / role of Pakistani JF17 trainer.

 

[gslv mk3]

JF 17 was inducted after 4 years of first flight...! And 4 years are enough to induct a jet after first flight, its not an aircraft carrier or alien ship like Tejas..Its a simple jet and 4 years are ENOUGH to induct after first flight

Dassault Rafale

First flight 4 July 1986
Introduction 18 May 2001

Saab JAS 39 Gripen

First flight 9 December 1988
Introduction 1 November 1997

 

[Super Falcon]

Tejas is junk garbage and no one buy garbage

 

[Spy Master]

First there is no reason to get exaggerated with my post. Can you show me any of my post in the whole PDF where I mock or make fun of the JF-17 for not having a trainer. Its PAF decision whether they need a trainer or not. There are many fighter plane who don't have a trainer, but trainer and simulator is two different things, and both are needed. Since you don't seems to be an Open Minded and starting to question me, my value, my opinion the only thing I would like to say is Do you think that Mushtaq or Super Mushtaq is not needed and only simulator is needed for Basic trainer. BTW it should be called LIFT (Lead in Flight Trainer). India have Basic trainer, Intermediate jet trainer, and advance jet trainer cum Lift Hack and Pakistan don't have any intermediate or Advance Jet trainer/LIFT.

Be happy I refrain myself from discussion with you on this topic.



Why did Pakistan been always ahead than Chinese trying to export FC-1 ? Does Pakistan have more experience in export market in arms than China ? Think rationally I know you like your JF-17 but in reality its just a simple Plane designed for the export in mind and cheaper cost. What is attractive is not the aircraft but the weapon package associated with this Chinese plane. Similarly the trainer version was required to confirm the export order. And the main question arises is what is the contribution / role of Pakistani JF17 trainer.

No need to write so much long paragraphs and deviate from the path here and there to change the topic by bringing in other topics,...Let me remind you again, you can brag as much as you can sir but PAF is happy with JF-17 simulators and if it was that bad you would have seen more crashes and CASE SOLVED...!
Secondly no need to act as an Einstein sir or behaving like an in service ACM by calling others open close mind blah blah...Obviously It is an understood fact before training on simulator all pilots do a complete course on Mushaq or other whatever basic trainers they have...!
Third being an Indian again in a discussion, sorry to say you showed your class sir by bringing in that Pak don't have this and we have these n blah blah..If you are right , still SU 30 has one per year crash rate in IAF and no need to talk about bisons (I will not go into this debate, you made a point Pak don't have these I answered, let's close it here).
And in Last sir there is no competition between China and Pakistan for exporting the aircraft. But since JF-17 is a cheap light weight aircraft so mostly Arab and other countries like Nigeria, Sudan, Myanmar,Srilanka,Egypt etc. shows their interest in it and Pakistan has better relations with them than China...And that's why in most Air shows Pakistan contingent takes part in it with JF-17 with one or two chinese members..!
That's all from my side..!

 

[gslv mk3]

Tejas is junk garbage and no one buy garbage

Any more one liners ?

 

[Spy Master]

Dassault Rafale

First flight 4 July 1986
Introduction 18 May 2001

Saab JAS 39 Gripen

First flight 9 December 1988
Introduction 1 November 1997

Its good to be smart but not to be over smart...Are we discussing some sort of standard that Jets should be inducted after 8-10 years and if a jet is inducted after 4-5 years then it is garbage? Oh wait lets have a look on this Most Successful Garbage...!
General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
F-16 Fighting Falcon

First flight 20 January 1974
Introduction 17 August 1978

 

[gslv mk3]

Its good to be smart but not to be over smart...Are we discussing some sort of standard that Jets should be inducted after 8-10 years and if a jet is inducted after 4-5 years then it is garbage? Oh wait lets have a look on this Most Successful Garbage...!
General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
F-16 Fighting Falcon

First flight 20 January 1974
Introduction 17 August 1978

It was in the middle of the effing cold war,kid.

 

[rational]

Any more one liners ?

Pakistan is atomic kuwat we will eat grass

 

[Spy Master]

It was in the middle of the effing cold war,kid.

Oh yeah son...Go ahead, make some other excuses too...The jet was fully operational and in production
" deliveries to the Belgian Air Force began in January 1979. The first Royal Netherlands Air Force aircraft was delivered in June 1979. In 1980, the first aircraft were delivered to the Royal Norwegian Air Force by SABCA and to the Royal Danish Air Force by Fokker"!
If you don't have anything constructive , refrain from quoting me..I didn't quote you first...!

 

[gslv mk3]

Oh yeah son...Go ahead, make some other excuses too...The jet was fully operational and in production
" deliveries to the Belgian Air Force began in January 1979. The first Royal Netherlands Air Force aircraft was delivered in June 1979. In 1980, the first aircraft were delivered to the Royal Norwegian Air Force by SABCA and to the Royal Danish Air Force by Fokker"!
If you don't have anything constructive , refrain from quoting me..I didn't quote you first...!

Haha,this is all you could come up with ? Unless your air force was desperate about induction of a new fighter,not unlike the US/Soviet ones during the cold war there was no need to 'rush'.

 

[Spy Master]

Haha,this is all you could come up with ? Unless your air force was desperate about induction of a new fighter,not unlike the US/Soviet ones during the cold war there was no need to 'rush'.

No answer?...Excuses again...! All this was in desperation....Make some better excuse...!

F/A-18 Hornet
First flight 18 November 1978
Introduction 7 January 1984 (5 years)
F-15 Eagle
First flight 27 July 1972
Introduction 9 January 1976

Don't quote me again to waste my time...!

 

[gslv mk3]

No answer?...Excuses again...! All this was in desperation....Make some better excuse...!

F/A-18 Hornet
First flight 18 November 1978
Introduction 7 January 1984 (5 years)
F-15 Eagle
First flight 27 July 1972
Introduction 9 January 1976

Don't quote me again to waste my time...!

Heard of YF 17 ? I am sure you haven't

 

[Spy Master]

Heard of YF 17 ? I am sure you haven't

That program was terminated and later converted into F/A-18 Hornet... F18 is a derivative of that!

 

[gslv mk3]

That program was terminated and later converted into F/A-18 Hornet... F18 is a derivative of that!

Check when YF 17 made its first flight,kid

F/A 18 is no clean-sheet design