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The Indian government has lifted a curfew and an Internet shutdown imposed to keep a lid on protests after Indian soldiers killed four unarmed civilians last week in the Ramban district of Kashmir. India has also promised to investigate the Ramban shootings in a familiar effort to calm tensions.

On Thursday, during a protest over the alleged desecration of the Quran by Indian Border Security Forces, the soldiers opened fire on civilian protesters, killing four people and injuring 48. The BSF claimed that there were "terrorists" within the crowd and that the soldiers had shot only in self-defense. As protests spread in response, the Indian government raised the compensation for the dead from $3,400 to $8,400, and assured a job to a kin of each of the slain.

India has maintained over half a million soldiers in the Himalayan region of Kashmir and grew a 100,000-strong local police force to deal with a popular rebellion that cropped up in 1990 against Indian rule. Military shootings of civilians like those in Ramban are familiar to Kashmiris – as are the Indian government's subsequent probes. Kashmiris, however, have learned to put little stock in the exercises, since they are never followed with prosecutions.

“All Indian probes in Kashmir are farcical. They are an end in itself,” says Hameeda Nayeem, a professor of English at the University of Kashmir.

Three weeks ago, two young men from Bandipore in north Kashmir were shot dead by the Indian Army. The Army later said it was "a mistake" and a similar probe was ordered.

But few are waiting to hear the result given the past pattern. According to Coalition of Civil Society, a Kashmiri human rights organization, the government has ordered 168 probes in killings by armed forces since 2002, and not a single person with the army has been prosecuted.

“The problem is the immense militarization that India has done in Kashmir with a legislated impunity given to them. All our neighborhoods, health resorts, and picnic spots have been taken over by the Indian Army, and these massacres happen all the time at one place or other and will continue to happen unless the core issues of politics and militarization are addressed,” says Professor Nayeem.

The number of militants according to both police and the Indian Army is less than 500 and has been so for the last few years, but the number of armed forces in the region has not diminished substantially.

Both India and Pakistan claim the entirety of the Kashmir region, which is split along a military line line of control that has served as a de facto border for decades. Polls in the Kashmir Valley, a Muslim-majority part of the region controlled by India, show that residents would prefer independence. New Delhi views the region, which borders Pakistan and contains the headwaters of the Indus River, as too strategic to let loose, and also worries about encouraging other separatist movements inside India's borders.

Efforts to bridge the political divide have been harmed by the scale of the past bloodshed – an estimated 70,000 Kashmiris have died since the armed uprising began in 1990 – and by India's continued use of "law and order" tactics that include repressive policing and torture.

Like the probes of human rights violations, India has announced dozens of peace processes and conflict resolution engagements with Kashmir but nothing has come of them yet. In the Valley, cynicism about India's intentions runs high given that the government's announcements of probes and processes are made when tempers are high in Kashmir and dropped when life in Kashmir returns to the routine.

After more than 120 protesters were shot dead by Indian forces during anti-India protests in 2010 that included rock throwing, an all party Indian Parliamentary delegation sent a team of "interlocutors" to access the situation in Kashmir and look for the causes of anger and the possible remedies. The report that the interlocutors submitted a year later was never discussed, surprising not so much the Kashmiris, as the interlocutors themselves.

“We had regular meetings with the Home Minister before submitting our report but once we submitted it, we never discussed it at all,” says Radha Kumar, one of the interlocutors. “Not a single member of the parliamentary committee came forward to talk about it, to see what we had written and recommended.” The Home Ministry eventually disavowed it as their own project even though they had formed and funded it.

Even the ruling party in Kashmir, the National Conference, which was the biggest proponent of a plebiscite in Kashmir for decades, passed legislation for Kashmir’s autonomy in the state assembly by a two-thirds majority but that legislation too was shelved by India.

“Our demand for autonomy was within the ambit of Indian constitution but unfortunately India is adamant on its stand that it does not care about the people of Kashmir,” says Ali Mohammad Sagar, a senior leader of the National Conference and the party’s face in Srinagar. “All their processes and probes are nonsense. They do not even trust their own interlocutors.”

Former separatist leader, Sajjad Lone, was asked to prepare a roadmap by New Delhi for a vision of Kashmir’s political future to begin an engagement. He prepared a document, Achievable Nationhood, after laboring over it for three years. It, too, was not taken up by the Indian government.

The killings that happened in Ramban earlier this week, Nayeem feels, will happen again elsewhere as long as India does not end its militarized approach to Kashmir and begins a political, goal-oriented process.

India offers another investigation to calm Kashmir | MinnPost
 
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Like you are the one to smirk at us about fairness of our probes!!..whatever happened to the probe your army chief had ordered three years back on the executions carried out by your armed forces in Swat?

Pakistan to investigate execution video | World news | The Guardian

At least the ones we executed were captured terrorists unlike India whose soldiers killed civilians for no reason.

And may be that's why I see no curfew, stone pelting and clashes in Swat unlike IOK.
 
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At least the ones we executed were captured terrorists unlike India whose soldiers killed civilians for no reason.

And may be that's why I see no curfew, stone pelting and clashes in Swat unlike IOK.

And you're the authoritative figure on what's being done in our state?

Yeah right.
 
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And you're the authoritative figure on what's being done in our state?

Yeah right.

Well till now what news articles has suggested, it is BSF who used unnecessary force on Civilians. Since the civilians were muslims and Kashmiris so that's why it isn't a much big issue for you guys.
 
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At least the ones we executed were captured terrorists unlike India whose soldiers killed civilians for no reason.

And may be that's why I see no curfew, stone pelting and clashes in Swat unlike IOK.

Ya it is very easy declare them as terrorist one they are dead, isn't it?So how do YOU know they were terrorist...did any court declare them as such?

Besides the whole point here is you make a mockery of yourself by smirking at us on our probes, when you very well know the '$hit' you rise from.
 
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Well till now what news articles has suggested, it is BSF who used unnecessary force on Civilians. Since the civilians were muslims and Kashmiris so that's why it isn't a much big issue for you guys.
Not everybody thinks based on sect and religion. Kashmir is far away from mainland, hence is not on top of any Indians mind. Same goes to Assam (hindu) or manipur (hindu), or nagaland (christian) where such abuses have occured.

If the firing is on hyderabadi or kerala muslim(or hindu) .. there will be much more news.
 
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Ya it is very easy declare them as terrorist one they are dead, isn't it?So how do YOU know they were terrorist...did any court declare them as such?

Besides the whole point here is you make a mockery of yourself by smirking at us on our probes, when you very well know the '$hit' you rise from.

They were captured during the military operation from the militant hideout. If they weren't militants then what else. Anyways you are here to come up with childish you also do this argument to hide the sh!t arising from your so called atoot ang.

I can understand your situation. :)
 
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They were captured during the military operation from the militant hideout. If they weren't militants then what else. Anyways you are here to come up with childish you also do this argument to hide the sh!t arising from your so called atoot ang.

I can understand your situation. :)
My simple point here which here is if summary executions is the 'way of' Pakistani armed forces (as proven from 71 videos and swat video ) and as per you, is the right thing to do ..then why order fake probes into it? Whom are you trying to fool? Then you dare mock us on our investigations!!
 
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At least the ones we executed were captured terrorists unlike India whose soldiers killed civilians for no reason.
Who knows whether they were terrorists or not. All we have is the word of the same people who are under investigation for those killings..

And may be that's why I see no curfew, stone pelting and clashes in Swat unlike IOK.
India atleast gives that freedom to its citizens.. Pakistan does not allow even that..
 
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Who knows whether they were terrorists or not. All we have is the word of the same people who are under investigation for those killings..

They were captured during military operation from a militant hideout. Says enough about those guys.

India atleast gives that freedom to its citizens.. Pakistan does not allow even that..

:lol: My signature answers this pathetic argument very well.

My simple point here which here is if summary executions is the way Pakistani military (as proven from 71 videos and swat video ) and as per you, is the right thing to do ..then why order fake probes into it? Then you dare mock us on our investigations?

May be because you are the ones who boost to be champions of democracy and freedom. And you also shamelessly do the same here.

In any case just a few months a rangers personnel was given death sentence in Karachi for killing a boy for being a suspected robber. Another case is under investigation by SC for killing another guy which rangers suspected to be terrorist. As I said. You are just here with old you also do this argument to cover your crimes in IOK.
 
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They were captured during military operation from a militant hideout. Says enough about those guys.



:lol: My signature answers this pathetic argument very well.



May be because you are the ones who boost to be champions of democracy and freedom. And you also shamelessly do the same here.

In any case just a few months a rangers personnel was given death sentence in Karachi for killing a boy for being a suspected robber. Another case is under investigation by SC for killing another guy which rangers suspected to be terrorist. As I said. You are just here with old you also do this argument to cover your crimes in IOK.

If we are the champions of democracy,then what are you, lying hypocrites..who will question us on our investigation but give lame excuses, when questioned about yours own?

Second part of your post reciting some random case of petty robbery or case still under investigation is totally irrelevant here as we are talking about suppression of high level investigations ordered by your army, results of which could tarnish its image.

Besides I am not covering up any crime, rather showing you, that you are in the same freakin boat, so better not get too cocky!!
 
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They were captured during military operation from a militant hideout. Says enough about those guys.

And this allegation is also from the folks under investigation for their murder..So low on credibility...


:lol: My signature answers this pathetic argument very well.

C'mon.. Joke tha dude.. :)
 
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If we are the champions of democracy,then what are you, lying hypocrites..who will question us on our investigation but give lame excuses, when questioned about yours own?

Second part of your post reciting some random case of petty robbery or case still under investigation is totally irrelevant here as we are talking about suppression of high level investigations ordered by your army, results of which could tarnish its image.

Besides I am not covering up any crime, rather showing you, that you are in the same freakin boat, so better not get too cocky!!

As I said instead of condemning the crime that BSF committed in IOK a few days ago, you are here covering it up with traditional "you also do this" argument. But the fact is in our case the guys were captured during a military operation from a militant hideout which certainly wasn't the case with you since you killed civilian protesters. Something very different from our case. You even failed to come up with a proper analogy while coming up with this lame excuse of "you also do this". What a shame.

I have given you examples where Rangers personnel were even death sentenced while here in the case of IOK I know all the killers and murderers of BSF would get away with no action or prosecution. You are just trying to cover up crimes of BSF with lame arguments. Won't satisfy us at least. We will continue exposing such crimes in IOK in future too. :)

And this allegation is also from the folks under investigation for their murder..So low on credibility...

As I said. The whole scenario and situation when those guys were captured point them to be militants. 85% civilians of Swat valley had already left Swat during the military operations. Like obviously what a civilian would be doing at a militant hideout during military operations. Playing Cricket. :lol:
 
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