India offered Sukhoi Su-35

[sancho]

New plane means new logistics, not worth it right now.
We have enough inductions planned as it is.

MMRCA(EF, or F/A-18) , MKI , LCA and the FGFA(i wish they gave it a name already)

That's the point, but no other fighter in your list will have that much commonality to already inducted MKI than more Flankers, be it more MKIs, Su 34, or Su 35.

The aircraft shares most of its wing structure, tail, and engine nacelles with the Su-27/Su-30, with canards like the Su-30MKI/Su-33/Su-27M/35 to increase static instability (higher maneuverability) and to reduce trim drag.

Sukhoi Su-34 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I also don't want Su 35, because they don't offer big advantages over MKIs, but Su 34 would, because of different design and systems for this special role.

However, is Russia wants to sell the special Maritime patrol version the, IN may show interest if the same tech can be adapted to the Mig-29K.

Navy has enough ships(3A, multiple frigates and destroyers numbering 100+) and Subs(12 nuclear) to induct without having to induct yet another aircraft apart from the Mig-29k and LCA-N. A varriation of the Mig-29K will be good enough.

You misunderstood it! These are carrier fighters of IN, I mean in the MP role of IAF like the Jaguar IM.

Jaguar IM
Single-seat maritime anti-shipping aircraft for the Indian Air Force. Fitted with Agave radar and capable of carrying Sea Eagle anti-ship missile, 12 built.

SEPECAT Jaguar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MKIs already are used in this role too, because of the long range and endurance, Su 34 offer the same advantages with lower RCS, better armor, side by side cockpit, different avionics and weapons specially for this role.
I don't say buy another fighter, but if we have to buy more Flankers from Russia to keep squad numbers (like the new order of 50 more MKI hints), why not a different type of Flanker with a lot of commonality, but clear advantages in this role?

 

[Chanakyaa]

That's right, but what about 50 Su 34 instead of the 50 new MKIs? There was a special version of it for the maritime patrol role, with special avionics and the ability to launch sonar buoys and torpedos. It is designed with reduced RCS and more comfort for the pilots in long patrol missions. If we could get them with the same radar and engines, that the upg MKIs will get and able to fire Brahmos, these fighter bombers would be a great addition for MP and deep penetration strike missions.

Well, The MRCA will be providing just what su34 has to offer.
IMO, F18 or Fafale , which likely will be chosen , are good for this.
F18 if chosen will have the Best Ground Strike capability in the next 15-20 Yrs in the SA region, preconfigured with Best AESA Radar.

Besides, its Not wise to have every "Good" Fighter in our Inventory.
More important is you master with what u already have.

Its really important,coz Thats precisely, where Harriers can take on Supersonic Migs !
Good Machine is Not always a Plus.

 

[sancho]

Well, The MRCA will be providing just what su34 has to offer.
IMO, F18 or Fafale , which likely will be chosen , are good for this.
F18 if chosen will have the Best Ground Strike capability in the next 15-20 Yrs in the SA region, preconfigured with Best AESA Radar.

Besides, its Not wise to have every "Good" Fighter in our Inventory.
More important is you master with what u already have.

Its really important,coz Thats precisely, where Harriers can take on Supersonic Migs !
Good Machine is Not always a Plus.

As far as I know there is no other fighter available, that could use sonar buoys, torpedos and has a special avionic suit for the ASW role, not to mention all the heavy anti ship missiles.
Here is an interesting article about it (point 5 The Su-32FN Fullback Maritime Patrol/Strike Fighter):

Sukhoi Su-32/Su-34 Fullback

Actually with the new EW pods available for the Flankers, I don't see any need for F18SH anymore. The heavy strike capability is allready available through MKI and now even the F18 Growlers are not needed anymore (if they were on offer). The Rafale instead offers the better special strike capability with lower payloads and a variety of different not Russian weapons, so it would suit better alongside the MKI. The only point the F18SH still have is the very good US weapon package, but it would be silly to buy them only for that reason.

 

[Chanakyaa]

As far as I know there is no other fighter available, that could use sonar buoys, torpedos and has a special avionic suit for the ASW role, not to mention all the heavy anti ship missiles.
Here is an interesting article about it (point 5 The Su-32FN Fullback Maritime Patrol/Strike Fighter):

Sukhoi Su-32/Su-34 Fullback

Actually with the new EW pods available for the Flankers, I don't see any need for F18SH anymore. The heavy strike capability is allready available through MKI and now even the F18 Growlers are not needed anymore (if they were on offer). The Rafale instead offers the better special strike capability with lower payloads and a variety of different not Russian weapons, so it would suit better alongside the MKI. The only point the F18SH still have is the very good US weapon package, but it would be silly to buy them only for that reason.

Sorry My fault. I was focused on Ground Strike role.
But for ASW , our carriers need to be capable of flying these Planes

Mig29 is the present solution , i guess wont it be better to customize the Mig29s for this role ?


I guess the biggest issue will be the readiness of Su34 to be ready for export and the associated time delay.
No dpubt you have a good point and su-34 may be considered for our inductions in Navy.

 

[sancho]

Sorry My fault. I was focused on Ground Strike role.
But for ASW , our carriers need to be capable of flying these Planes

Mig29 is the present solution , i guess wont it be better to customize the Mig29s for this role ?


I guess the biggest issue will be the readiness of Su34 to be ready for export and the associated time delay.
No dpubt you have a good point and su-34 may be considered for our inductions in Navy.

Shore based MP role, just like our Jaguars and MKIs now, but with the advantage of ASW too, not only anti ship!
Mig 29 lacks the range and endurance of a Flanker and possibly the weapon load for heavy anti ship weapons like Brahmos. For patrol missions the MKI and Su 32/34 are really perfect! Much internal fuel and capable of air refueling, two pilots config for long hour missions, high weapon load for many a2a, or anti ship weapons and not to forget the long range radar. So with some squads of these Su32 FN and the new P8I, we could really control large areas of the sea against surface and submarine threats.

 

[Midgetman]

New plane means new logistics, not worth it right now.
We have enough inductions planned as it is.

MMRCA(EF, or F/A-18) , MKI , LCA and the FGFA(i wish they gave it a name already)
Those planes alone make the IAF a world class air force.

Not to mention the Inductions for Copters like
LCH, AHC(armed Dhurv) , Apache , Chinook

As well as Cargo planes
Hercules, Globemaster , MTA

Don't forget all the UAV's and UCAV's, that will be developed and inducted.

All that's left is long range strategic bombers.
The relevance of which i feel has diminished as of late, Especially woth Long range UCAV's

Imagine being responsible for the Induction and logistics for all Those Aircraft by 2020. And you are told, the SU-35 will be inducted and needs its own facilities for repairs and arrangement of spares.

Its really big list when you look at it all at once. That's the IAF's modernization program in a nutshell.(excluding all the new ordnance, Missile defense , SAMS, AWACS and satellites).

With all this
How much of a difference will 50 su-35 make, compared to simplifying things by adding just another 50 MKI instead

However, is Russia wants to sell the special Maritime patrol version the, IN may show interest if the same tech can be adapted to the Mig-29K.

Navy has enough ships(3A, multiple frigates and destroyers numbering 100+) and Subs(12 nuclear) to induct without having to induct yet another aircraft apart from the Mig-29k and LCA-N. A varriation of the Mig-29K will be good enough.

the su-35 may not make sence in buying but the su-34 definitely does!!!! it would greatly increase our strike capability if we had some strike fighters... i kno we have the sepecat jag, but it requires an escort... and i kno we have the mki, but its strike capability is limited... we need to increase our bombing capability... the su-34 makes soo much sense... what do u think???

 

[kishana]

Russia is also offering sukhoi 37 or47 and are termed as fifth gen fighter
The next thing is india should buy them as it provide better ground attacking quality and air to air combat both.

The next thing that goes in it's favor is
IAF must restrict it's squadron to four max types of jets

We already have mig 21series which will be there till 2016

Then tejas mk2(160)
mirage2000 series
mig 29
typhoon or rafale(mmrca)(126-190)
sukhoi30 mki(270)

and t-50 pakfa(300)
all are air superiority fighter so best bet is sukhoi 37(around 120) and as it can be maintained with existing sukhoi mki infrastructure.

Also sukhoi 37 provide the area for lot of improvement and will maintain the air dominance in the region.

Most important we have to agree that without war there will be no solution with pakistan
so best to prepare for that now and bomb it by 2020-2025

 

[kishana]

New plane means new logistics, not worth it right now.
We have enough inductions planned as it is.

MMRCA(EF, or F/A-18) , MKI , LCA and the FGFA(i wish they gave it a name already)
Those planes alone make the IAF a world class air force.

Not to mention the Inductions for Copters like
LCH, AHC(armed Dhurv) , Apache , Chinook

As well as Cargo planes
Hercules, Globemaster , MTA

Don't forget all the UAV's and UCAV's, that will be developed and inducted.

All that's left is long range strategic bombers.
The relevance of which i feel has diminished as of late, Especially woth Long range UCAV's

Imagine being responsible for the Induction and logistics for all Those Aircraft by 2020. And you are told, the SU-35 will be inducted and needs its own facilities for repairs and arrangement of spares.

Its really big list when you look at it all at once. That's the IAF's modernization program in a nutshell.(excluding all the new ordnance, Missile defense , SAMS, AWACS and satellites).

With all this
How much of a difference will 50 su-35 make, compared to simplifying things by adding just another 50 MKI instead

However, is Russia wants to sell the special Maritime patrol version the, IN may show interest if the same tech can be adapted to the Mig-29K.

Navy has enough ships(3A, multiple frigates and destroyers numbering 100+) and Subs(12 nuclear) to induct without having to induct yet another aircraft apart from the Mig-29k and LCA-N. A varriation of the Mig-29K will be good enough.

Brother
I think that we actually need a better a2g fighter jet and for that purpose we need sukhoi 47 or 37
You are right sukhoi 35 are of no benefits considering iaf is already struggling to keep so many variants
Mig series mig 29
mirage
Typhoon or rafale
Tejas
Pakfa t 50
sukhoi 30mki
but for sure we must have 120 su-37

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

Su 37 will be a good candidate for SFC's 40 Nuclear capable fighters.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Russia is willing to offer everything they have in their inventory, so no point for fighting over they are offering this and that. But the most important thing is what we actually need from them.
Since we are going to have near about 300 sukhoi-30 mki's, so going for additional su-35 doesn't make any sense, since the role of both of these aircraft is same.
But since the retirement of Canberras, we lack dedicated bomber aircraft. This is where sukhoi-34 comes into the scene. It also has A-A role, so it wont' need any fighter escort. Just my point of view

Sukhoi Su-34 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[vsdave2302]

I pity our enemy when they may have to face Su35 piloted by Indian pilot.

 

[Tshering22]

That's a killer offer. If they are offering it instead of Rafale, then we should take it.

 

[sancho]

I pity our enemy when they may have to face Su35 piloted by Indian pilot.

Digging out a thread from 2009, only to make this statement?

 

[vsdave2302]

Digging out a thread from 2009, only to make this statement?

Your hypotheses. I respect your right to make assumptions.