India-Occupied Kashmir Uprising; Azad Kashmir Polls; RNC Convention; Qandeel Baloch

[RiazHaq]

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Why are Kashmir’s young men and women in Indian-Occupied Kashmir (IOK) leading a massive uprising against Indian occupation of their land? Is Pakistan inciting them? Can this new generation of tech-savvy freedom-fighters be suppressed by 700,000 Indian soldiers deployed in IOK making it the world’s most heavily militarized occupation? Will Modi’s India finally listen to the voices of reason from within India to deal with the alienation of Kashmiri youths? Is it time to revive the Musharraf Formula that brought India and Pakistan very close to a deal in 2007?


Why did the ruling AJK PPP get wiped out in Azad Kashmir elections? And why did Imran Khan’s PTI fail to get much traction? How did Nawaz Sharif’s PMLN manage to sweep the polls there?

How did the Republican National Convention go in Cleveland Ohio? Did the RNC achieve its goals of uniting the party and reaching out to independents and Democrats? Did Donald Trump’s "Messianic" convention speech help or hurt him?

Could Qandeel Baloch, also known as Pakistan’s Kim Kardashian, even be imagined in conservative Pakistan just a few years ago? Doesn’t the fact that she existed is in itself a sign of a social revolution sweeping Pakistan today? How will Pakistan protect its young women who are leading this social revolution?

Viewpoint From Overseas host Faraz Darvesh discuses these questions with panelists Ali H. Cemendtaur and Riaz Haq (www.riazhaq.com)

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

The Trump Phenomenon

Qandeel Baloch Leading Social Revolution

Kashmir in Context

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[Stephen Cohen]

WE will NEVER GIVE Kashmir to Pakistan

Such Internet and TV and Newspaper campaigns WILL NOT get you KASHMIR

KUCH NAHI MILEGA

FIGHT a WAR for Kashmir

 

[RiazHaq]

Nobody believes the Indian government narrative on Kashmir. Even Indian politicians and public are questioning it.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nati...d-kashmir-must-says-jyotiraditya-scindia.html


http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...kashmir-unrest-mani-shankar-aiyar/223481.html


http://www.ibtimes.co.in/jammu-kash...ays-trs-mp-kavitha-606663#xmm3j0FVhlgdcE2j.97

The Indian hold on Kashmir is becoming more and more tenuous as the new generation of Kashmiris refuses to accept Indian military occupation.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Interestingly the new generation of Kashmiris have recorded the highest voter turnout in over two decades, despite desperate attempts by Pak based terrorists to prevent them

http://www.ndtv.com/assembly/jammu-...t-in-25-years-jharkhand-breaks-records-715845

Jammu and Kashmir Registers Highest Voter Turnout in 25 Years, Jharkhand Breaks Records
Assembly Polls | Press Trust of India | Updated: December 21, 2014 00:53 IST

by Taboola


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A security personnel keeps vigil at a polling station during 5th phase of Jharkhand Assembly elections in Dumka on 20 December, 2014. (Press Trust of India)

NEW DELHI: Jammu and Kashmir registered its highest voter turn-out in assembly elections in the last 25 years with an estimated 65 per cent of voters casting their votes, as the fifth and final phase of polling ended on Saturday.

Jharkhand, which also went to the polls along with Jammu and Kashmir, broke all previous polling records to witness over 66 per cent of turn-out in the five phases, bettering the previous mark of 54.2 per cent in the 2004 assembly poll.

Terming the overall polling percentage in Jammu and Kashmir as "historic and unprecedented", Deputy Election Commissioner Vinod Zutshi said the fifth and final phase of polling in the assembly elections saw 76 per cent of polling.

Similarly, the last phase recorded over 71 per cent of polling in Jharkhand, he said.


"It has been the highest turn-out in the last 25 years. This has been a historic turn-out in the current elections... unprecedented and totally peaceful," he said about Jammu and Kashmir elections.

The previous assembly elections of 2008 and 2002 had witnessed 61.42 per cent and 43.09 per cent respectively in Jammu and Kashmir.

The militancy-hit state has seen a quadrangular fight with ruling National Conference, main opposition PDP, BJP and Congress locked in the battle.

Describing the year 2014 as an eventful year for Election Commission, he said "never in the history of elections has a year recorded such a voter turn-out", referring to a string of state Assembly elections and Lok Sabha polls held this year.

 

[touela]

Well then a fair plebiscite must be held there... oh what the heck, forget it, both Pakistan and India must give independence to Kashmir, and then cool down. Instead of using so much on the military, use the money on developement.

 

[cloud4000]

Personally, I strongly believe India has to come to an arrangement with Pakistan on Kashmir. May be not today, but some day.

1. Both India and Pakistan believe Kashmir is disputed territory per international law. There is no avoiding this issue. Indian claims of Kashmir being an integral part of India might be valid on some level, but is it legally and politically? I don't know.
2. India is spending billions of rupees and basing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, paramilitaries, police, etc., to control a population of how many people? How long can this go on? This situation pleases both China and Pakistan as troops sent to Kashmir can't be used elsewhere.
3. Sooner or later, opinion is going to turn against India internationally. Yes, Pakistan fumbled attempts on Kashmir is partially to blame, but sooner or later it is going to get its act together and press its case.
4. Forget plebiscite and UN resolutions. This is not going to happen. The only solution is a negotiated settlement between India, Pakistan, and Kashmiri people.

These are my thoughts on the issue. Agree or disagree. I'm in my 40s, and Kashmir has been issue since the insurgency started in the late 1980s.

 

[danger007]

Personally, I strongly believe India has to come to an arrangement with Pakistan on Kashmir. May be not today, but some day.

1. Both India and Pakistan believe Kashmir is disputed territory per international law. There is no avoiding this issue. Indian claims of Kashmir being an integral part of India might be valid on some level, but is it legally and politically? I don't know.
2. India is spending billions of rupees and basing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, paramilitaries, police, etc., to control a population of how many people? How long can this go on? This situation pleases both China and Pakistan as troops sent to Kashmir can't be used elsewhere.
3. Sooner or later, opinion is going to turn against India internationally. Yes, Pakistan fumbled attempts on Kashmir is partially to blame, but sooner or later it is going to get its act together and press its case.
4. Forget plebiscite and UN resolutions. This is not going to happen. The only solution is a negotiated settlement between India, Pakistan, and Kashmiri people.

These are my thoughts on the issue. Agree or disagree. I'm in my 40s, and Kashmir has been issue since the insurgency started in the late 1980s.

It's been decades..... 6decades nothing changed.... why would someone listen Pak? Just because they are raising voice against killing of militant from a designated terrorist organisation?

 

[cloud4000]

It's been decades..... 6decades nothing changed.... why would someone listen Pak? Just because they are raising voice against killing of militant from a designated terrorist organisation?

No one is listening to Pakistan today. I was talking about tomorrow.

 

[dray]

http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/07/india-occupied-kashmir-uprising-azad.html

Why are Kashmir’s young men and women in Indian-Occupied Kashmir (IOK) leading a massive uprising against Indian occupation of their land? Is Pakistan inciting them? Can this new generation of tech-savvy freedom-fighters be suppressed by 700,000 Indian soldiers deployed in IOK making it the world’s most heavily militarized occupation? Will Modi’s India finally listen to the voices of reason from within India to deal with the alienation of Kashmiri youths? Is it time to revive the Musharraf Formula that brought India and Pakistan very close to a deal in 2007?


Why did the ruling AJK PPP get wiped out in Azad Kashmir elections? And why did Imran Khan’s PTI fail to get much traction? How did Nawaz Sharif’s PMLN manage to sweep the polls there?

How did the Republican National Convention go in Cleveland Ohio? Did the RNC achieve its goals of uniting the party and reaching out to independents and Democrats? Did Donald Trump’s "Messianic" convention speech help or hurt him?

Could Qandeel Baloch, also known as Pakistan’s Kim Kardashian, even be imagined in conservative Pakistan just a few years ago? Doesn’t the fact that she existed is in itself a sign of a social revolution sweeping Pakistan today? How will Pakistan protect its young women who are leading this social revolution?

Viewpoint From Overseas host Faraz Darvesh discuses these questions with panelists Ali H. Cemendtaur and Riaz Haq (www.riazhaq.com)

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

The Trump Phenomenon

Qandeel Baloch Leading Social Revolution

Kashmir in Context

Talk4Pak Think Tank

VPOS Youtube Channel

VPOS Vimeo Channel


VPOS Dailymotion Channel



http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/07/india-occupied-kashmir-uprising-azad.html

And then Pakistan backtracked from its promise of withdrawing its troops from the 'Pakistan occupied Kashmir'.

Personally, I strongly believe India has to come to an arrangement with Pakistan on Kashmir. May be not today, but some day.

1. Both India and Pakistan believe Kashmir is disputed territory per international law. There is no avoiding this issue. Indian claims of Kashmir being an integral part of India might be valid on some level, but is it legally and politically? I don't know.
2. India is spending billions of rupees and basing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, paramilitaries, police, etc., to control a population of how many people? How long can this go on? This situation pleases both China and Pakistan as troops sent to Kashmir can't be used elsewhere.
3. Sooner or later, opinion is going to turn against India internationally. Yes, Pakistan fumbled attempts on Kashmir is partially to blame, but sooner or later it is going to get its act together and press its case.
4. Forget plebiscite and UN resolutions. This is not going to happen. The only solution is a negotiated settlement between India, Pakistan, and Kashmiri people.

These are my thoughts on the issue. Agree or disagree. I'm in my 40s, and Kashmir has been issue since the insurgency started in the late 1980s.

That won't happen today, tomorrow, a day after, or ever.....because of some very very good reasons. Either Kashmir will cool down, or it will keep burning, there is no third possibility.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Personally, I strongly believe India has to come to an arrangement with Pakistan on Kashmir. May be not today, but some day.

1. Both India and Pakistan believe Kashmir is disputed territory per international law. There is no avoiding this issue. Indian claims of Kashmir being an integral part of India might be valid on some level, but is it legally and politically? I don't know.
2. India is spending billions of rupees and basing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, paramilitaries, police, etc., to control a population of how many people? How long can this go on? This situation pleases both China and Pakistan as troops sent to Kashmir can't be used elsewhere.
3. Sooner or later, opinion is going to turn against India internationally. Yes, Pakistan fumbled attempts on Kashmir is partially to blame, but sooner or later it is going to get its act together and press its case.
4. Forget plebiscite and UN resolutions. This is not going to happen. The only solution is a negotiated settlement between India, Pakistan, and Kashmiri people.

These are my thoughts on the issue. Agree or disagree. I'm in my 40s, and Kashmir has been issue since the insurgency started in the late 1980s.

As long as Pakistan will support terror acts India, it will be very difficult to talk leave aside any chances of agreement. As regards to your 4 points -
1. J&K is legally an integral part of India messed up politically by the politicians. The dispute is only about areas under illegal occupation of Pakistan.
2. The billions of rupees that India spends on her defense is very meagre looking at the threats to the nation, geography, population and GDP. Police, paramilitary and army are required for internal security as well as external threats. We should do what is in our national interest and not to please other nations.
3. Actually the international opinion has turned in favour of India. No country or even the UN is even willing to listen to the Pakistani propaganda on J&K. They are advised to settle the issue bilaterally.
4. 1972 Simla Accord closed the chapter of plebiscite or any third party intervention in favour of settlement of the issue thru mutual dialogues.
Indian constitution is very versatile and has the ability to deal with any kind of issues within its framework. There was a time when Punjab was in a much worse situation than the Kashmir in 90s. If you are 40 year old you would be aware of the situation in J&K during the 90s. Today is nothing as compared to those days. In 1984 there was anti sikh riots in north India, could that divide the sikhs from the rest of India? There is more to our nation than you can even imagine.

 

[danger007]

No one is listening to Pakistan today. I was talking about tomorrow.

Ok I will ask you tomorrow..

 

[Razia Sultana]

And then Pakistan backtracked from its promise of withdrawing its troops from the 'Pakistan occupied Kashmir'.

The Simla Accord anyways overrides all previous deliberations so why bring in the point that is irrelevant. In 1972, India and Pakistan agreed to sort the issue bilaterally and without involving a third party.

 

[dray]

The Simla Accord anyways overrides all previous deliberations so why bring in the point that is irrelevant. In 1972, India and Pakistan agreed to sort the issue bilaterally and without involving a third party.

Right.

 

[cloud4000]

That won't happen today, tomorrow, a day after, or ever.....because of some very very good reasons. Either Kashmir will cool down, or it will keep burning, there is no third possibility.

Ok I will ask you tomorrow..

If you are all predicting the future, you better hope you are right. I'm of the belief that anything is possible.

As long as Pakistan will support terror acts India, it will be very difficult to talk leave aside any chances of agreement. As regards to your 4 points -
1. J&K is legally an integral part of India messed up politically by the politicians. The dispute is only about areas under illegal occupation of Pakistan.
2. The billions of rupees that India spends on her defense is very meagre looking at the threats to the nation, geography, population and GDP. Police, paramilitary and army are required for internal security as well as external threats. We should do what is in our national interest and not to please other nations.
3. Actually the international opinion has turned in favour of India. No country or even the UN is even willing to listen to the Pakistani propaganda on J&K. They are advised to settle the issue bilaterally.
4. 1972 Simla Accord closed the chapter of plebiscite or any third party intervention in favour of settlement of the issue thru mutual dialogues.
Indian constitution is very versatile and has the ability to deal with any kind of issues within its framework. There was a time when Punjab was in a much worse situation than the Kashmir in 90s. If you are 40 year old you would be aware of the situation in J&K during the 90s. Today is nothing as compared to those days. In 1984 there was anti sikh riots in north India, could that divide the sikhs from the rest of India? There is more to our nation than you can even imagine.

You make good points, but I have several of my own.

1. You say J&K is an integral part of India, so why doesn't Indian parliament scrap Article 370?

2. As for international opinion. There was a time before 9/11 that Kashmir gained attention. I'm just saying it could happen again. Only time will tell.

3. I was not talking about terrorism and violence being committed in Kashmir by terrorists by the likes of Burhan Wani. India's actions against such people should continue, but I'm talking about the political situation.

Nothing anti-Indian in my post. I'm just looking for a solution to a long standing problem.

 

[danger007]

If you are all predicting the future, you better hope you are right. I'm of the belief that anything is possible.



You make good points, but I have several of my own.

1. You say J&K is an integral part of India, so why doesn't Indian parliament scrap Article 370?

2. As for international opinion. There was a time before 9/11 that Kashmir gained attention. I'm just saying it could happen again. Only time will tell.

3. I was not talking about terrorism and violence being committed in Kashmir by terrorists by the likes of Burhan Wani. India's actions against such people should continue, but I'm talking about the political situation.

Nothing anti-Indian in my post. I'm just looking for a solution to a long standing problem.

I will ask you tomorrow.. no problem at all.. before that just check shimla agreement..