India now seeks telecom corridor through BD

[EjazR]

@Eastwatch

a fibre link is like a water pipe. It can't directly affect IT security. Infact, Bangladesh is still susceptible to "Viruses" on computers even without a telecom link right now aka the Israeli story which I believe to be wrong.

Why? Your defence and critical networks should never be connected to public networks! I don't think the Iranians are stupid enough to do that, and neither should the Bangladeshis.

Ofcourse, Bangladesh can legislate laws on telecom providers to put some controls in place, not just in terms of national security but to prosecute Bangaldeshi citizens if they indulge in IT related crimes e.t.c

 

[Stumper]

I am half-educated in the matters of IT, but I would like to say, BD govt must give due consideration not only to the sentiment of BD population, but also to the security breach that an Indian sponsored telecom line may cause. I just do not know how it will be possible to stop Indian intrusion into our security system, when even the intrusion of a compter bug is difficult to prevent.

I have read somewhere that the Israeli MOSSAD has forced viruses into the Iranian atomic energy related softwares, so that an important keybord click may go wild without functioning properly.

I just do not know, how those things are possible, but a cheaper and lucrative Indian line may prove to be a 'Trojan Horse' finally. It is better to take note of all the negative aspects of the Indian offer. Moreover, India's main target is to make a connectivity with its NE through BD land.

A proper evaluation along business as well as security lines is, therefore, needed before the govt makes a final decision.

EastWatch : Sorry for may language. This is nonsense, to put it mildly.
Everyone seems to be shooting in air, without having any clue as to who the target is.

I will give you the benefit of doubt on the trojan/virus part.

On risk to BD,Let me clarify. This Telco's are asking you to allow them to connect to India's eastern state, this as per them work out cheap. They will lay the submarine cables that will pass through the BD water's, they are not asking to be connected to your network. This is a bloody security risk for MY communication, as during war time's , BD can damage this cables and bring communication to a hold. Hell, you can even sniff on it and steal sensitive info.

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I really am surprised that you guys have the audacity to call such a event as risk to your country, as obviously, in future a pro-pakistan BD Government can put INDIA on ransom, with this cables.

 

[eastwatch]

EastWatch : Sorry for may language. This is nonsense, to put it mildly.
Everyone seems to be shooting in air, without having any clue as to who the target is.

I will give you the benefit of doubt on the trojan/virus part.

On risk to BD,Let me clarify. This Telco's are asking you to allow them to connect to India's eastern state, this as per them work out cheap. They will lay the submarine cables that will pass through the BD water's, they are not asking to be connected to your network. This is a bloody security risk for MY communication, as during war time's , BD can damage this cables and bring communication to a hold. Hell, you can even sniff on it and steal sensitive info.

Operation Ivy Bells - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I really am surprised that you guys have the audacity to call such a event as risk to your country, as obviously, in future a pro-pakistan BD Government can put INDIA on ransom, with this cables.

Your language is okay, at least you did not call me a GOAT. But I really want to know if there is really a possibility of intrusion into our national security system. Can someone tell me what EjazR said in his post above is true or not. Another point, the Reliance offer has two parts. One is the linkage to NE, and the other is to provide service to BD telecom networks.

The last one may be quite a headache unless BD people are convinced of no threat. Even then, some people will come out with long-term Indian conspiracy theory, although, in reality, your govt seems to have only adhoc plans.

Otherwise, it would not have so bluntly pursued the policy of disregarding the sentiment of BD population. All your past bullyings are just working now against establishing a doubt-free relationship between the two countries. So, how about starting anew!

 

[TopCat]

Your language is okay, at least you did not call me a GOAT. But I really want to know if there is really a possibility of intrusion into our national security system. Can someone tell me what EjazR said in his post above is true or not. Another point, the Reliance offer has two parts. One is the linkage to NE, and the other is to provide service to BD telecom networks.

The last one may be quite a headache unless BD people are convinced of no threat. Even then, some people will come out with long-term Indian conspiracy theory, although, in reality, your govt seems to have only adhoc plans.

Otherwise, it would not have so bluntly pursued the policy of disregarding the sentiment of BD population. All your past bullyings are just working now against establishing a doubt-free relationship between the two countries. So, how about starting anew!

Last month our foreign minister asked burmese to provide us with back up linkage with their sub marine cable in case of BD disruption. No body raised any eye brow here against that development but people are shouting now when reliance offered the same to BD in return of passage to NE. I think we should get connected as many possible ways as possible. If India is not afraid of sending their cable through us why should we?
If BD government believe they need some senstitive communication linkage, they can always route those traffic through our own back bone and let the public traffic go through reliance. No rocket science.. well It is .

 

[boxer_B]

SEA-ME-WE 4 is a consortium owned project which India had bought into just like Bangladesh did and few other countries. Its no way close to being same.

Do you know who administer and maintains this cable segment?

Hint: first one is VSNL and Second is FLAG Telecom, Reliance India owned telecom company. And FLAG telecom already act as gateway to BD and PAK internet traffic.

Bangladeshis should feel same way indians do. As indian intrusion in telecom is security risk, Bangladesh should consider any indian telecom investment as such and view telecom investment the way india does from China - a security risk

You do understand a difference between providing physical medium for communication and using telecom equipments of hostile nation. Those telecom equipments like routers, switches can be bugged with codes in their IOS(internetwork operating system)

As far as i know, you cannot sniff on fiber data without damaging it, its a build in mechanism in fiber optic communication.

 

[Stumper]

But I really want to know if there is really a possibility of intrusion into our national security system.

May i know what your "National Security System" is?

and the other is to provide service to BD telecom networks.

EastWatch: Nope.... they can only offer you ALternate route. As of now you have probably one link. Reliance can offer you alternate route. That is you can utilize the underwater fibre from Reliance incase of outage in existing link.

Otherwise, it would not have so bluntly pursued the policy of disregarding the sentiment of BD population. All your past bullyings are just working now against establishing a doubt-free relationship between the two countries. So, how about starting anew!

Gosh ... and for a moment i thought someone one would stick to the topic instead of bringing in the "My poor country". Anyway, we too are fed up of this appeasement. To hell with what others think, throw our the drifters from each others country. Each of Our country would be much better place.

 

[Stumper]

Last month our foreign minister asked burmese to provide us with back up linkage with their sub marine cable in case of BD disruption. No body raised any eye brow here against that development but people are shouting now when reliance offered the same to BD in return of passage to NE. I think we should get connected as many possible ways as possible. If India is not afraid of sending their cable through us why should we?
If BD government believe they need some senstitive communication linkage, they can always route those traffic through our own back bone and let the public traffic go through reliance. No rocket science.. well It is .

You are taking big risk of being labeled RAW agent by LieDune.

 

[idune]

Do you know who administer and maintains this cable segment?

Hint: first one is VSNL and Second is FLAG Telecom, Reliance India owned telecom company. And FLAG telecom already act as gateway to BD and PAK internet traffic.

You do understand a difference between providing physical medium for communication and using telecom equipments of hostile nation. Those telecom equipments like routers, switches can be bugged with codes in their IOS(internetwork operating system)

As far as i know, you cannot sniff on fiber data without damaging it, its a build in mechanism in fiber optic communication.

I understand more than you can imagine, I would just leave it that.
Yes Flag telecom was bought by india company since they started working in the line. This already exposed and introduced security risk to Bangladesh and for Pakistan. This even further re- enforce our point not to get any indian company involved in security sensetive telecom sector.

Buggeing equipment can be contained since these will be in indian control but letting run telecom line by chinese through india territory even more risker.

So on that note, Bangladesh should not even consider indian proposal on obvious security risk.

 

[idune]

This is what happen when people with siloed understanding in telecom and security matter try to play business angle.

First, indians are proposing to run this cable over land and that means indians will be in the country installing and maintaining it. That with given indian hegemonic design and threat perception, will give indian security and intel agencies to infiltrate and set control over telecom sector under disguise of maintenance. And when indiasn convince BD private mobile operators (no govt control) to use indian installed line Bangladesh security will further degrade.

Second, this line is proposed for Indian north east where insurgents are seeking independence and fighting with Indian army. India often accuse Bangladesh to be safe haven for these insurgent groups. If one believe in Indian “claim”, then its inevitable that these insurgents will target valuable Indian target inside Bangladesh. Bangladesh can NOT and should NOT get involved in Indian internal matters and take such risk for india.

Third, once these lines are target of insurgents, india will use these excuses to intervene and interfere inside Bangladesh to protect their “asset”. No one can guarantee india would not specialy when Indian awami stooge govt already laying the ground work using south asian task force for such Indian interference and control inside Bangladesh.
There are other obvious and foreseeable security risks that no country can predict but shield itself from. Same way US, AU and india did and does.

Fourth, I would draw attention to what india does when it comes to shielding itself from potential and foreseeable RISKS.

D.K. Ghosh, CMD of ZTE said: "We are Indians first and employees of a Chinese company later. Our primary intent is security of the country."

Bangladeshis should feel same way indians do. As indian intrusion in telecom is security risk, Bangladesh should consider any indian telecom investment as such and view telecom investment the way india does from China - a security risk.

 

[Stumper]

This is what happen when people with siloed understanding in telecom and security matter try to play business angle.

First, indians are proposing to run this cable over land and that means indians will be in the country installing and maintaining it. That with given indian hegemonic design and threat perception, will give indian security and intel agencies to infiltrate and set control over telecom sector under disguise of maintenance. And when indiasn convince BD private mobile operators (no govt control) to use indian installed line Bangladesh security will further degrade.

Second, this line is proposed for Indian north east where insurgents are seeking independence and fighting with Indian army. India often accuse Bangladesh to be safe haven for these insurgent groups. If one believe in Indian “claim”, then its inevitable that these insurgents will target valuable Indian target inside Bangladesh. Bangladesh can NOT and should NOT get involved in Indian internal matters and take such risk for india.

Third, once these lines are target of insurgents, india will use these excuses to intervene and interfere inside Bangladesh to protect their “asset”. No one can guarantee india would not specialy when Indian awami stooge govt already laying the ground work using south asian task force for such Indian interference and control inside Bangladesh.
There are other obvious and foreseeable security risks that no country can predict but shield itself from. Same way US, AU and india did and does.

Fourth, I would draw attention to what india does when it comes to shielding itself from potential and foreseeable RISKS.



Bangladeshis should feel same way indians do. As indian intrusion in telecom is security risk, Bangladesh should consider any indian telecom investment as such and view telecom investment the way india does from China - a security risk.

iDune, For god's sake. Think before you write. You are bad publicist for your country's intellect. Mate, honestly, you are doing more harm than you can imagine, to your country's image with your babbling's. The word "Cry Babies" come foremost to my mind.

 

[New Vision]

Business school and teaching has nothing to do with it. Business can be done with country/partner with cedibility, trust and with friends, NOT with enemy who is constantly interfere, do harm, occupy land, kill our citizens and use ethnic cleansing in their own country. Not to mention pludering and controling intention already shown by indian companies.With such enemy profile who would trust a business partner like india??????.

So your pathetic childish tantrum aside learn thing or two about what they teach in business school.

When did we become your enemy and why did we become your enemy, can you elaborate... I am seriously interested......especially since you used us when you wanted..

 

[idune]

iDune, For god's sake. Think before you write. You are bad publicist for your country's intellect. Mate, honestly, you are doing more harm than you can imagine, to your country's image with your babbling's. The word "Cry Babies" come foremost to my mind.

You should worry about decptive indian image uncovering one after another. Besides, if we dont live upto image of indian expectation then we are doing something REALLY GOOD.

Now I am not the subject of discussion, so stick to the topic of discussion.

 

[Stumper]

You should worry about decptive indian image uncovering one after another.

Besides, if we dont live upto image of indian expectation then we are doing something REALLY GOOD.

No one gives a hoot to what you believe. Its your country and your are responsible for it. Do what's best for it.

You can either fight-on with data or crib. You obviously have made your path clear.