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India Needs to Join Asia's Emerging 'Chinese Order'

In the aftermath of the G20 and Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summits, it is becoming increasingly obvious that a new Asian order, complete with an economic architecture, has emerged. Whether this order is referred to as the “Pacific Age” or a New Silk Road or a pan-Eurasian system, all these terms refer to the same thing: a web of economic interdependence in Asia whose hub is the littoral around the East and South China seas, connecting China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Southeast Asia. This network of economic prosperity is increasingly being spread by Beijing westward to the rest of Eurasia in an initiative called the “New Silk Road.” Thus, it might not be inaccurate to write that the new Asian economic order can be described as described as the “Chinese Order” in which all roads lead to Zhongnanhai. This is because China’s economy and physical location constitute the hub that drives and connects the rest of Asia.

This should stir some interesting debate. Should India follow the new Asian order? Certainly on the economic front it should open up more to China.

I don't get it, what's so special about the maritime silk road? Beside China initial investment, what make it's different from current status?

The land silk road is easy to imagine, if a country don't join, then they don't get connected to the railroad network/road. But the maritime silk road, even if the country don't join, the sea already connecting all the port. How joining the maritime silk road somehow can give boost to a country (excepting the standard or already implemented trade agreement from WTO, Asean, FTA, etc.)?

For example i don't think Vietnam will get any benefit from Indonesia exporting coal to China just because all parties in the maritime silk road and the ship crossing water near Vietnam. Imo the usual standard shipment export/import procedure will have more impact on the ship traffic/route than the maritime silk road.
 
OK so China may hurt India the most, that why you want China as your enemy? what is the logic behind this, please do explain.

I never said India wants China as her enemy! Not only is it foolish to want China as a enemy, but also that India simply can't afford to declare open hostilities against China. I was only stating the obvious that the actions of Chinese continue to undermine India's strategic interests in a major way and has acted only as a HOSTILE entity to Indian interests!!

I am afraid, nothing short of making major territorial concessions to China, will make it friendly with India. Even that is not a guarantee of friendly relationship! For any sovereign state, territorial integrity is important and for India, it is even more vital to preserve its territorial integrity after one painful bifurcation already! I don't see India giving away the territories voluntarily any time soon!

More importantly, considering the fact that China and India, both being similar in size and appetite, are destined to compete for the same dwindling resources world-over, I don't see how China and India can ever become friendly!
 
Hmm....China is a sympathizer for anti India people...But there is not such any concrete evidence of Chines direct involvment..

Sir, I am sorry but how do you define "DIRECT"?

Isn't blocking sanctions against known terrorist groups in the UN -- who have killed thousands of Indians both in India and abroad (Afghanistan), not a DIRECT support? How much more concrete evidence do you need to realize that China has been supporting terrorism against India?
 
Sir, I am sorry but how do you define "DIRECT"?

Isn't blocking sanctions against known terrorist groups in the UN -- who have killed thousands of Indians both in India and abroad (Afghanistan), not a DIRECT support? How much more concrete evidence do you need to realize that China has been supporting terrorism against India?

We don't support terrorist groups. :lol:

Unlike India, who trained LTTE terrorists on their own soil, to kill Sri Lankan civilians.

In fact, with the LTTE, India was the first pioneer of cross border terrorism in this entire region.
 
We don't support terrorist groups. :lol:

Unlike India, who trained LTTE terrorists on their own soil, to kill Sri Lankan civilians.

In fact, with the LTTE, India was the first pioneer of cross border terrorism in this entire region.

Yes CIA train more terrorist than anyone, Including Dalai Lama was at one point working for the CIA, India needs to get over it.
 
We don't support terrorist groups. :lol:

Unlike India, who trained LTTE terrorists on their own soil, to kill Sri Lankan civilians.

In fact, with the LTTE, India was the first pioneer of cross border terrorism in this entire region.

Irresponsible with facts, on so many counts, as usual!!

First of all, did you even read the whole thread and rebut finer points mentioned in #23 and #25 on how China blocked resolutions against Pakistan based known terror groups? How blatant can you get?

Secondly, as much as you like to believe that LTTE was funded and trained by India, facts fly against against it. It was Indian peacekeepers that fought a disastrous battle against LTTE. And, India not only provided material support to Srilankan government to fight LTTE, but also protected it against western sanctions when West blamed Srilanka of war-excesses.

Thirdly, even if your allegation about Indian involvement with LTTE, has any merit, it was not the first instance of cross-border terrorism. That honor belongs to Pakistan who used tribal raiders to occupy Kashmir -- right from 1947-48. Get your facts, right!

Finally, you need not train terrorists in your soil to support them, you can also block sanctions against them on the highest international forum -- aka UN! That is also a form of direct support -- support against sanctions using your power of VETO!!
 
There is no rivalry and then there is no history of China influencing India, But India influence China in many ways from martial arts to Buddhism.

Chinese Asian order is like a bubble it wont last long.
我希望你不要被香港电影给骗了,佛教是来自古代印度,但是印度人很早就放弃它,中国武术起源于中国,三千年前就已经有武术存在,香港电影里‘飞檐走壁’的少林武术现实中是不存在的
中国追求的是世界多极化,不是美国那样的强权,所谓中国的‘亚洲秩序’不过是媒体在鼓吹
I hope you don't be fooled Hongkong film, Buddhism is from ancient India, but the Indians very early to give it up, Chinese Wushu originated in China, three thousand years ago had a martial arts exist, there is not a Hongkong movie'Feiyanzoubi' Shaolin martial arts reality

China is pursuing the world multi polarization, not the United States as the power,the so-called Chinese 'order in Asia' is the media in the advocate
 
There is no rivalry and then there is no history of China influencing India, But India influence China in many ways from martial arts to Buddhism.

Chinese Asian order is like a bubble it wont last long.

Buddha was from Nepal. :lol:

And Nepal has never been a part of India, or even British India.
 
Yes CIA train more terrorist than anyone, Including Dalai Lama was at one point working for the CIA, India needs to get over it.

If CIA trained terrorists, does it make it right? What is your point?

You started by asking rational questions -- but now you are asking India to "get over" your indiscretion handling Pakistani terror mechanism?

You are only proving what was too obvious for anyone else that China can never have friendly relationship with India. It simply doesn't serve their interests to abandon anti-India elements!!
 
India thinks it's a Shupa Powa, but it's not and it will never be.
 
What do think it will take to develop the trust? Why is there mistrust in the first place?
It's not even about mistrust, simply India is seeking out strategic autonomy, it won't allow itself to fall under the influence of any other power nor join their "order". This is how it has been since 1947 and this is how it will always be and as India gets more and more powerful India will find it easier to obtain this.
 
I agree with you on the fact that we have to choose the lesser devil between and opportunistic USA (that actually "looked the other way" when Pakistanis were caught smuggling the "material") or the Chinese whose every action (throughout India's independent India's history) have been anti-India!

But China can potentially inflict far more damage than anybody in USA could -- simply for the fact that they share border with us! And have been doing exactly that!!

Already, they dammed our major river without so much as an acknowledgement of the fact that India is a lower riparian state! (Now, imagine India doing the same to Pakistan or Bangladesh without raising a sh*tstorm throughout the whole world!!)

If China believed in fighting against state-sponsored terror, they could have easily influenced Pakistanis. What they did instead in the UN, should reveal what their real intentions are -- vis-à-vis India!

@Chinese-Dragon Any rebuttals?

Or, should I assume that you are happier with your "hit-and-run" attacks that you usually do whenever you see a thread about India?
 
I assume that you mean to say that Indians are being confrontational but let me point out who has been confrontational and who has harmed the strategic interests of others.

It was China who clandestinely provided the "ISLAMIC" bomb to Pakistan and missiles that can deliver them on Indians (and specifically on Hindus if such a thing was ever possible). Even today, the Pakistani Politicians openly declare Nuclear Holocaust on Indians and Hindus in particular on a regular basis (now, this is not an exaggeration -- just look a month ago a mainstream Pakistani politician threatened Hindus with Nuclear holocaust)!! Nobody has harmed India's strategic interests permanently more than the Chinese! How would China like if we arm her neighbors (read Philippines, Myanmar, Vietnam) with Nuclear bombs and missiles to deliver them?

There are tons of sources from the US and UK that Pakistani spies in the West were the main reason the bomb came to be in Pakistan. I won't say China never played a part, that's hard to prove, but it's not a major one.

No nation on earth would transfer nuclear technology of the kind you are suggesting.

Second, you deliver nukes to Philippines or Myanmar or Vietnam and the US will sanction you back to the stone age.

Which leads me back to the first point. The US didn't even flinch at Pakistan with the Bomb, when they made a big deal even when India got the bomb. We were not on the friendliest terms then, why would they not sanction us.

If ever, a mad general or an extremist (of which there is no dearth in Pakistan), were to get hold of a nuclear weapon and kill millions and millions of Indians, the Chinese should take pride in the fact that they were directly responsible for that!

Again this is just the typical crap that some people like to use, rogue, crazy, extremist. Everyone else is the problem except you.

Pakistan's got problems, I'll give you that, but to suggest Pakistani government and military are filled with nut jobs is frankly weird.

But then again, one of the top stories this year in India is how China is rogue because we are not a democracy, so I'm not surprised.

It is the Chinese who are directly or indirectly supporting terrorism in India through Pakistan (not just in the disputed territories, mind you!!). They have always turned a blind eye to the mischief of their ally Pakistan when Pakistan used the proxies to cause trouble and loss of innocent lives in Indian Kashmir. Not just that, China directly intervened in UN in 2009 with their VETO to support terrorist groups when UN met after aftermath of 26/11 Mumbai attacks to designate and condemn terrorist groups based in Pakistan!

We did condemn the attacks.

What Pakistan does is up to them, and let's not pretend that India is innocent in this, despite what China is doing in the China seas, why do we not get fired on.

Maybe it's time to look in the mirror. Or an American documentary.

Even on the border disputes, it is the Chinese whose sincerity is to be questioned -- not India's! Even at the time of their President's visit to India, they indulged in trespassing into Indian territory and scuttled the whole visit!! They have been postponing the talks on one pretext or the other! But I understand why anybody in China's "strong" position would put away any border settlements because the longer they delay it, the stronger their position is going to get!!

The border dispute is ancient history, China Japan trade is going strong, China ASEAN trade is also going strong.

It's only you that's got the problem.

We can do business just fine, when there are issues on the table, China US trade is also booming, so again, you problem, not ours.


And, I haven't even discussed about the attitude of the good Chinese fellows here on PDF whose solo motto is to troll on Indian matters!! Again not an exaggeration, there are dozens of them who even have troll messages for India as their signatures and their own USER-ID's! Now, you tell me who is confrontational here!

Some of our members may have some problems, yes, their comments maybe cruel and unnecessary, but they are not far from facts. Mostly because poverty and the side effects of it are very easily confirmed.

While Indian members use attacks that are baseless, like we are oppressed, no rights or something like that. Anybody who's been in China would never say that, and while on the subject, China is far closer to the Western world on the Homosexual issue, domestic violence, as well as other social issues than India. Another side effect of not being as poor as we once were.

So you can say some say things in poor taste, but at least it's not as subjective.


Overall, I understand your point about neighbors co-operating for the greater good of their populace, but there is so much bad blood between China and India that I think there may be a distinct possibility of establishing peace between an Islamic Pakistan and Hindu India but no such possibility between a Buddhist/Atheist China and Buddhist/Hindu India!

There is no bad blood there, most Chinese in China, don't care about India much. You think we are anti India, get over yourself, China is all hands on deck to take on the reigning super power, not India.

From all this interaction with Indian members here and all I can say is no wonder you are still so poor. Business is business, if you can't see that, then, what can I tell you.
 

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