India must no longer wait for China to change its behaviour

[Jackdaws]

China won 3 golds in boxing in the Olympics, how many golds Indian got in it?


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The 5 most watched Olympic sports

Olympics is a delight for any sports fan starting from the opening ceremony all the way to their favorite games. Fans all over the world hope and cheer on their favorite athletes to score an Olympic medal for the country. Here is a list of the most watched Olympic sports.

Gymnastics

Gymnastics (Source: Khelo India)
Dipa Karmakar made history in the Rio 2016 Olympics when she became the only female Indian to participate in Gymnastics. For those unaware, gymnastics has a massive worldwide following with Larisa Latynina, a former Soviet gymnast holding 18 Olympic medals in the sport. Athletes who compete undergo rigorous physical conditioning, stretching and strengthening. It is primarily a bodyweight discipline with separate events for men and women. Both compete as a team or individuals in floor exercise, rings, vault, uneven bars and parallel bars.

Track and Field

Source: Men’s Journal
Track and Field events are some of the most commonly played sports around the world recreationally and professionally. Ranging from marathon, throwing, jumping and many other running events, it happens to be one of the most watched Olympic sports across the planet. Usain Bolt is looked up to by many runners across the world. Indian athletes have participated and won in the Olympics. This traces back to Norman Pritchard, Milkha Singh and PT Usha to Deepa Malik and Anju Bobby George. These players have won Olympic medals and have inspired a new generation of track athletes like Neeraj Chopra and Dutee Chand.

Swimming

FINA World Swimming Championships(25m) (Source: Wikipedia)
Swimming in India is a popular sport and sees participation by many common people in pools and competitively who wish to bring home the Olympic medal for the sport. Shamsher Khan and Virdhawal Khade have been the closest hopes for a medal. However, both did break national records in the 200m butterfly event and 100m freestyle respectively. Michael Phelps made news across the world with his medal wins which inspired many athletes all over the world to perform better in swimming. It has garnered attention worldwide and has led to increased participation in swimming pools and clubs.

Weightlifting

Sathish Sivalingam celebrates after winning the Men’s Weightlifting 77 kg category at the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games.
Weightlifting is a strength sport that is often misunderstood by laymen as simply working out with heavy weights. A lot of training in plyometrics, strength and stamina go behind this sport which has been popular all around the world for many decades now. Weightlifting legends of India like Karnam Malleswari and Mirabai Chanu have won medals for India and have inspired the next generation of Olympic lifters. Jeremy Lalrinnunga, the 17 year old weightlifting wizard is one such example who won a medal for India at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics.

Water Sports

Source: Bleacher Report
Water sports is an umbrella term that comprises of various aquatic sports like synchronized swimming, water polo, sailing, diving and also includes swimming. Swimming being the primarily watched water sport has generated a following all over the world which has resulted in popularity in other water sports as well. India has its own sailing training centers established across the country and this popularity is evident with sports minister Kiren Rijiju emphasizing on the need for better water sport training for better performance of India at the Olympics.

The 5 most watched Olympic sports

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Do you understand the difference between popular spectator sports and Olympic sports? During the Olympics people must be going to watch your world class trampoline jumpers also.

Now - are you any good in the top spectator sports that people actually watch? Cricket? Hockey? F1 racing? Soccer? Tennis?

 

[beijingwalker]

Do you understand the difference between popular spectator sports and Olympic sports? During the Olympics people must be going to watch your world class trampoline jumpers also.

Now - are you any good in the top spectator sports that people actually watch? Cricket? Hockey? F1 racing? Soccer? Tennis?

Google " the world most popular sports" and find answers, they are not defined by you. India is looking for humiliation when talking about sports with China.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The only Chinese boxers anyone has seen are the ones available in clothing stores in the discount bin for plebs.

Swimming and weightlifting are popular spectator sports? In Communist nations perhaps.

Indians are too scared to get in the ring. This is understandable as most are skinny, malnourished and have low muscle mass. That's why there's no Indians in Olympic boxing or MMA. They don't want to risk some actual serious injury which is why they stick to sports where they play with balls instead of actually having to prove themselves in combat.

There will never be an Indian boxer like this because Indians just don't win.

 

[Jackdaws]

Google " the world most popular sports" and find answers, they are not defined by you. India is looking for humiliation when talking about sports with China.

Lol. I did. So should you. Unless on the Communist search engine Trampoline jumping tops the list.

Indians are too scared to get in the ring. This is understandable as most are skinny, malnourished and have low muscle mass. That's why there's no Indians in Olympic boxing or MMA. They don't want to risk some actual serious injury which is why they stick to sports where they play with balls instead of actually having to prove themselves in combat.

There will never be an Indian boxer like this because Indians just don't win.

Hahahaha - this is your best boxer? I hope he won a sandwich. Else, go buy him one. Haha

 

[applesauce]

Yes - China wins medals in obscure fields (won't even call them sports) like trampoline jumping. In almost all spectator sports that are popular India is better. Cricket, tennis, hockey. Football probably China is better - but it is hardly a top footballing nation. But am sure they really know how to jump up and down on a trampoline.


Who told you they won't move?

india dont win medals at all lol and you say "better" lololololol

cricket? hahahah yea so main stream im sure everyone outside of the british and their former colonies watch it.

tennis? what indian has won a major open? Li Na is a double grandslam winner

chinese mens football team is trash, we know this,the women's team is half decent but unlike indians we dont go around pretending we're good when we suck at it., wecan acknowledge our shortcomings.

china has many good, medal winning teams/individuals in top world sports competitions, and not just relatively obscure ones like trampoline, china has winners in volleyball, swimming, diving, gymnastics, speed skating, archery, badminton, we've even had winners in track and field and not to mention the absolute dominance in table tennis

India has never won a single winter olympics gold and only 9 in the summer games.one in shooting and the rest in field hockey.

so according to you then, only shooting and field hockey are not obscure and everyone else in the universe is wrong.

 

[flowerfan2020]

India's last and undefeatable defense " PDF Indian member"

 

[Jackdaws]

india dont win medals at all lol and you say "better" lololololol

cricket? hahahah yea so main stream im sure everyone outside of the british and their former colonies watch it.

tennis? what indian has won a major open? Li Na is a double grandslam winner

chinese mens football team is trash, we know this,the women's team is half decent but unlike indians we dont go around pretending we're good when we suck at it., wecan acknowledge our shortcomings.

china has many good, medal winning teams/individuals in top world sports competitions, and not just relatively obscure ones like trampoline, china has winners in volleyball, swimming, diving, gymnastics, speed skating, archery, badminton, we've even had winners in track and field and not to mention the absolute dominance in table tennis

India has never won a single winter olympics gold and only 9 in the summer games.one in shooting and the rest in field hockey.

so according to you then, only shooting and field hockey are not obscure and everyone else in the universe is wrong.

No need to fret because China sucks at popular global sports. Just keep jumping up and down on the Trampoline - am sure there is a medal to be won. Somewhere.

 

[hualushui]

God spilled wisdom into the world, only the Indians raised an umbrella

 

[applesauce]

No need to fret because China sucks at popular global sports. Just keep jumping up and down on the Trampoline - am sure there is a medal to be won. Somewhere.

lol,"fret" china's too busy winning. while india cries.

 

[Khan vilatey]

A firm, punitive Indian military response towards China for the events of 2020 is necessary to delay, if not reduce, the possibility that the Chinese will try anything new again at the LAC

Reports have emerged that China has increased its troop strength along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh breaking its agreement made at the sixth round of talks on September 21. In December, videos emerged of Chinese civilian vehicles transgressing into the Demchok area also in Ladakh. Meanwhile, the Indian Army referred to a confrontation on January 20 between Indian and Chinese troops in the wake of a transgression by the latter at Naku La in northern Sikkim, as a “minor face-off”.

Essentially, what we are seeing since the Galwan clash in June, is the steady normalisation of confrontations and tensions along the LAC as well as of fruitless bilateral talks. This was predicted in an earlier article for Moneycontrol.

Nevertheless, the Indian press release of the latest and ninth round of military commander-level meetings claimed that there was a “good momentum of dialogue and negotiation”, even as it continued calls for “early disengagement of the frontline troops” and for “effective efforts in ensuring the restraint of the frontline troops”.

Clearly, one or the other part of the press release is true, both cannot be true at the same time. It should be obvious to all but the most ignorant of China’s domestic politics and its external behaviour that it is highly unlikely that China will ever withdraw its troops unless forced to. Neither Indian military commanders nor policymakers with experience of dealing with China fall in this category.
Why then does the Indian government continue to put out statements that both tie itself up in knots and mislead the public? What is the way forward.
The Chinese view of structural realities with respect to India suggests to them that a Right-wing nationalist government in power in New Delhi with a strong majority in Parliament is unlikely to seek peaceful ties with China — in many ways, this view reflects also the Communist Party of China’s own zero-sum view of the world.

In the same spirit, according to Beijing, it is inevitable that New Delhi will hitch its fortunes to those of the United States, which the Chinese see as their principal global rival. Therefore, India is seen as an unfriendly power — talk of ‘civilisational’ ties, ‘Wuhan Spirit’ or ‘Chennai Connect’ are only so much blather. Deals with India are seen as only temporary and to be violated with impunity when the moment presents itself.

Under such circumstances, India would not be wrong to shift from only reacting to acting more proactively to change the status quo on the LAC. Neither the gap in military capability with China nor the difficulties of logistics and terrain that India faces are about to disappear soon, but after nearly a year of investment and preparation, India should not again be caught wanting come summer and when PLA transgressions on the LAC restart.

It is time now for the Indian Army to bring out of the closet and implement its vaunted plans against Chinese bad behaviour, to show the results of years’ worth of discussions in military think-tanks on how to respond to China’s ‘local wars under informatized conditions’.

If the fear is of wider conflagration along the LAC or of a two-front war, then these are overblown. If the Chinese want to widen the conflict, there is still nothing to stop them from doing so at a time of their choosing, certainly not the ongoing military commander-level talks. Neither these talks nor waiting for the Chinese to make the next move is any way to prepare the Indian public for such an eventuality.

A firm, punitive Indian military response to the events of 2020, will delay, if not reduce, the possibility that the Chinese will try anything new again at the LAC. It would likely turn the PLA to other countries along China’s long boundaries where it might come away with less opposition or have less trouble spinning its actions into victories.

A two-front war is a theoretical possibility but as much as the Pakistanis might be interested, the Chinese, for a variety of reasons, should want to go it alone. First, what does it say of the fighting mettle of the PLA that it must want a smaller army to come to its help? Second, the actual level of coordination between the Chinese and Pakistani armed forces remains limited. Third, Pakistani involvement could conceivably also loosen any Indian restraints against China. Just three reasons out of many more why the Chinese would hesitate to involve the Pakistanis.

While militaries tend to plan for worst-case scenarios, it is also important for the Indian Army to prevent such planning from paralysing all action. Look at how the PLA itself has opened up multiple fronts — despite US pressure and despite COVID-19 — and still seems to get the better of its opponents.

Finances are an important consideration as also the military power differential, but the longer the Indian Army waits to send a clear and appropriate response to the PLA for its actions of 2020, the more it risks degrading its resources and capabilities as well as morale within the ranks.

India can no longer afford to play a waiting game in the face of evidence as clear as daylight that the Chinese do not intend to keep any of their promises, let alone return to status quo ante. If anything, the polite thing for the Indian military to do would be to remind the PLA — by actions not words — of their commander-in-chief’s injunction at the World Economic Forum earlier this week that “The strong should not bully the weak”.

JABIN T JACOB is Associate Professor, Department of International Relations and Governance Studies, Shiv Nadar University, Uttar Pradesh, and Adjunct Research Fellow at the National Maritime Foundation, New Delhi. Views are personal.

India must no longer wait for China to change its behaviour

A firm, punitive Indian military response towards China for the events of 2020 is necessary to delay, if not reduce, the possibility that the Chinese will try anything new again at the LAC

www.moneycontrol.com

this is an excellent article with impacabile logic

in the same vein of thinking I believe the Indian army has agreed to cut the middle man out in suicide drones and just commit suicide!

Who ever wrote this is smoking smithing very hard, I recommend that they share this good stuff in the Canadian Cannabis market for the rest of us as well!

k

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

A firm, punitive Indian military response towards China for the events of 2020 is necessary to delay, if not reduce, the possibility that the Chinese will try anything new again at the LAC

Reports have emerged that China has increased its troop strength along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh breaking its agreement made at the sixth round of talks on September 21. In December, videos emerged of Chinese civilian vehicles transgressing into the Demchok area also in Ladakh. Meanwhile, the Indian Army referred to a confrontation on January 20 between Indian and Chinese troops in the wake of a transgression by the latter at Naku La in northern Sikkim, as a “minor face-off”.

Essentially, what we are seeing since the Galwan clash in June, is the steady normalisation of confrontations and tensions along the LAC as well as of fruitless bilateral talks. This was predicted in an earlier article for Moneycontrol.

Nevertheless, the Indian press release of the latest and ninth round of military commander-level meetings claimed that there was a “good momentum of dialogue and negotiation”, even as it continued calls for “early disengagement of the frontline troops” and for “effective efforts in ensuring the restraint of the frontline troops”.

Clearly, one or the other part of the press release is true, both cannot be true at the same time. It should be obvious to all but the most ignorant of China’s domestic politics and its external behaviour that it is highly unlikely that China will ever withdraw its troops unless forced to. Neither Indian military commanders nor policymakers with experience of dealing with China fall in this category.
Why then does the Indian government continue to put out statements that both tie itself up in knots and mislead the public? What is the way forward.
The Chinese view of structural realities with respect to India suggests to them that a Right-wing nationalist government in power in New Delhi with a strong majority in Parliament is unlikely to seek peaceful ties with China — in many ways, this view reflects also the Communist Party of China’s own zero-sum view of the world.

In the same spirit, according to Beijing, it is inevitable that New Delhi will hitch its fortunes to those of the United States, which the Chinese see as their principal global rival. Therefore, India is seen as an unfriendly power — talk of ‘civilisational’ ties, ‘Wuhan Spirit’ or ‘Chennai Connect’ are only so much blather. Deals with India are seen as only temporary and to be violated with impunity when the moment presents itself.

Under such circumstances, India would not be wrong to shift from only reacting to acting more proactively to change the status quo on the LAC. Neither the gap in military capability with China nor the difficulties of logistics and terrain that India faces are about to disappear soon, but after nearly a year of investment and preparation, India should not again be caught wanting come summer and when PLA transgressions on the LAC restart.

It is time now for the Indian Army to bring out of the closet and implement its vaunted plans against Chinese bad behaviour, to show the results of years’ worth of discussions in military think-tanks on how to respond to China’s ‘local wars under informatized conditions’.

If the fear is of wider conflagration along the LAC or of a two-front war, then these are overblown. If the Chinese want to widen the conflict, there is still nothing to stop them from doing so at a time of their choosing, certainly not the ongoing military commander-level talks. Neither these talks nor waiting for the Chinese to make the next move is any way to prepare the Indian public for such an eventuality.

A firm, punitive Indian military response to the events of 2020, will delay, if not reduce, the possibility that the Chinese will try anything new again at the LAC. It would likely turn the PLA to other countries along China’s long boundaries where it might come away with less opposition or have less trouble spinning its actions into victories.

A two-front war is a theoretical possibility but as much as the Pakistanis might be interested, the Chinese, for a variety of reasons, should want to go it alone. First, what does it say of the fighting mettle of the PLA that it must want a smaller army to come to its help? Second, the actual level of coordination between the Chinese and Pakistani armed forces remains limited. Third, Pakistani involvement could conceivably also loosen any Indian restraints against China. Just three reasons out of many more why the Chinese would hesitate to involve the Pakistanis.

While militaries tend to plan for worst-case scenarios, it is also important for the Indian Army to prevent such planning from paralysing all action. Look at how the PLA itself has opened up multiple fronts — despite US pressure and despite COVID-19 — and still seems to get the better of its opponents.

Finances are an important consideration as also the military power differential, but the longer the Indian Army waits to send a clear and appropriate response to the PLA for its actions of 2020, the more it risks degrading its resources and capabilities as well as morale within the ranks.

India can no longer afford to play a waiting game in the face of evidence as clear as daylight that the Chinese do not intend to keep any of their promises, let alone return to status quo ante. If anything, the polite thing for the Indian military to do would be to remind the PLA — by actions not words — of their commander-in-chief’s injunction at the World Economic Forum earlier this week that “The strong should not bully the weak”.

JABIN T JACOB is Associate Professor, Department of International Relations and Governance Studies, Shiv Nadar University, Uttar Pradesh, and Adjunct Research Fellow at the National Maritime Foundation, New Delhi. Views are personal.

India must no longer wait for China to change its behaviour

A firm, punitive Indian military response towards China for the events of 2020 is necessary to delay, if not reduce, the possibility that the Chinese will try anything new again at the LAC

www.moneycontrol.com

And what would India do if the end result is the opposite of what she expects like back in 1962.

Back in 1959~1962, India PM Nehru and his generals was similarly talking very tough and even snubbed Chinese PM Zhou Enlai.

The war started not so long after Chinese PM Zhou sighed and left.

That is why the Henderson-Brooke report remained classified by India after 60 years. It shows India framed China for the war.

I hope the present leadership of India shows more wisdom in their choice before a real war breaks out again.
It will benefits neither China nor India.

Think about it before stoking a war. If India has changed, so has China.

Don't forget back in 1962 China was in the midst of the Cultural Revolution.