India moving 150 T-72s tanks and Smerch rockets to Ladakh.

[Viny]

Armoured vehicles are transported by carriers.. Smart guy..

Dear friend the zozila pass was widen in 2010-11 to take T72's to Ladhak range.
So we have both the options open.

 

[OrionHunter]

What a well publicized move, morons

It's a deterrent and therefore needs to be publicized.

However, their plans for tactical deployment and the conduct of battle will never be publicized - obviously!

 

[pursuit of happiness]

It's a deterrent and therefore needs to be publicized.

However, their plans for tactical deployment and the conduct of battle will never be publicized - obviously!

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like this bird says in skies .. i m coming ..

 

[Zarvan]

It's a deterrent and therefore needs to be publicized.

However, their plans for tactical deployment and the conduct of battle will never be publicized - obviously!

Deterrent seriously you send 150 Tanks China will come up much bigger answer

 

[Echo_419]

Deterrent seriously you send 150 Tanks China will come up much bigger answer

We are not looking for war with Chinese or anyone,we have millions of people to get out of poverty,Infrastructure to be built,technologies to be mastered & many goals to achieve.The last thing we need is a war to slow us down in this task.

 

[ANPP]

Wrong ... If ATGMs were useless you won't be seeing all new IFVs equipped with them all over the world.. As for machine gun fire .. Unless you are using AAGs n you know the exact location of a well camouflaged ATGM vehicle hiding behind some cover several KMs away... With the ability to quickly scoot after firing the load ...

No, in warfare ATM of IFVs were not so much successful as you are indicating. Read and learn some thing informative from future IFV projects, how they are considering of leaving missiles from. IFV.

every tank has two power units , one power came from running engine but when engine is shut down in order to avoid detection, the system run on 2nd auxiliary power source which could be battery or ver small generator to run the system.

Tanks cannot be operated for long time by auxillary power system due to energy hunger. Actually it is much easier to detect the tank in Ladakh type area due to colder ambience. Although first missile have to prove itself in -10'celcius temprature.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No, in warfare ATM of IFVs were not so much successful as you are indicating. Read and learn some thing informative from future IFV projects, how they are considering of leaving missiles from. IFV.

Apparently nobody thinks tht .. Even the new Russian IFV "terminator" is armed with them ..

 

[Basel]

did IA have purchased Striker IFVs? If yes why those r not deployed? Deploying Apaches would have been much better as they suits that terrain with backup of Smerch n Bofors, good combo for both defense n offence in mountain areas, tanks r no good there.

 

[tore]

Nothing is going to happend between India & China. Indians just enjoy sending tanks and armoured vehicle back and forth to show importance. I dont belive China is not interested in war with any country unless indian forces cross into chineese territory.

 

[Beautiful Pakistan]

Giving out exact numbers of units and their locations , juicy targets

China will defeat india easily, if the war broke out.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

China will defeat india easily, if the war broke out.

Like it did in 1967 in chola where Chinese raised White Flag and run back

 

[tore]

China will defeat india easily, if the war broke out.

View attachment 43987 View attachment 43988 Nothing is going to happend between India & China. Indians just enjoy sending tanks and armoured vehicle back and forth to show importance. I dont belive China is not interested in war with any country unless indian forces cross into chineese territory.

Like it did in 1967 in chola where Chinese raised White Flag and run back

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Only India does know aboutthis war. Never heard about it.

 

[nik22]

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Only India does know aboutthis war. Never heard about it.

Here
Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is also an incident in 1987 in which General Sundarji got troops airlifted and did not budge. It was just a face off

Major Genreal, Retd Sheru Thapliyal has also written about it

The Nathu La skirmish: when Chinese were given a bloody nose

After the debacle of 1962, nothing could have enhanced the self esteem of the Indian Army than the mauling that was given to the Chinese at Nathu La in Sikkim on 11th September 1967 and at Chola on 1st October 1967. It must have come as a rude shock to the Chinese Army and also its political leadership. And by a happy coincidence, the Indian Army leadership which got the better of this eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation was the same that went on to create Bangladesh in 1971. Maj Gen Sagat Singh was GOC Mountain Division in Sikkim, Lt Gen Jagjit Aurora was the Corps Commander and Sam Manekshaw was the Eastern Army Commander.

I too served in Nathu La. After finishing my young officer’s course, it was on 21 July 1967 that I reported to my Unit, a mule pack artillery regiment in Sikkim. Those days young officers were made to have their professional mailing by sending them on long-range patrols (LRP) for area familiarisation, take part in khad race to increase their stamina and sending them to remote observations ports on Sikkim-Tibet border for a month. Having done my share of LRPs and having taken part in the khad race, I was sent to the main Sabu La observation post on the Sikkim-Tibet Border. This observation post is about a kilometre south-west of Nathu La. It dominates Nathu La by virtue of taking on higher ground and commands an excellent view of the pass as also the Chinese defense on the feature known as North shoulder. There were two observation posts at Sabu La and had a good old radio set 62 and PRC-10 and of course line communications to the guns deployed in the rear.

Nathu La at 14200 feet is an important pass on the Tibet-Sikkim border through which passes the old Gangtok-Yatung-Lhasa Trade Route. Although the Sikkim-Tibet boundary is well defined by the Anglo-Chinese Convention of 17 March 1890, the Chinese were not comfortable with Sikkim being an Indian protectorate with the deployment of the Indian Army at that time. During the 1965 War between India and Pakistan, the Chinese gave an ultimatum to India to vacate both Nathu La and Jelep La passes on the Sikkim-Tibet border. For some strange reason, the Mountain Division, under whose jurisdiction Jelep La was at that time, vacated the pass. It remains under Chinese possession till date. However, Lt. Gen Sagat Singh, true to form, refused to vacate Nathu La. Incidentally it is at Nathu La where Chinese and Indian forces are deployed barely thirty yards apart, closest anywhere on the 4000 km Sino-Indian border and the border remains undemacrated. Chinese hold the northern shoulder of the pass while Indian Army holds the southern shoulder. Two dominating features south and north of Nathu La namely Sebu La and Camel’s back were held by the Indians. Artillery observation post officers deployed on these two features have an excellent observation into Chinese depth areas whereas from Northern shoulder, Chinese have very little observations into Indian depth areas. This factor proved crucial in the clash that ensued. At the time of the clash, 2 Grenadiers was holding Nathu La. This battalion was under the command of Lt Col (Later Brigadier) Rai Singh. The battalion was under the Mountain Brigade being commanded by Brig MMS Bakshi, MVC.

The daily routine at Nathu La used to start with patrolling by both sides along the perceived border which almost always resulted in arguments. The only one on the Chinese side who could converse in broken English was the Political Commissar who could be recognised by a red patch on his cap. Sentries of both the forces used to stand barely one meter apart in the centre of the Pass which is marked by Nehru Stone, commemorating Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru’s trek to Bhutan through Nathu La and Chumbi Valley in 1959. Argument between the two sides soon changed to pushing and shoving and on 6 September 1967 a scuffle took place in which Political Commissar fell down and broke his spectacles. These incidents only added to the excitement. I developed excellent rapport with Capt Dagar of 2 Grenadiers and a few days before the clash we had gone to Gangtok together on “liberty” to see a movie. Little did I know that within a week, Dagar would be a martyr.

In order to de-escalate the situation it was decided by the Indian military hierarchy to lay a wire in the centre of the Pass from Nathu La to Sebu La to demarcate the perceived border. This task was to be carried out by the jawans of 70 Field Company of Engineers assisted by a company of 18 Rajput deployed at Yak La pass further north of Nathu La. The wire laying was to commence at first light on the fateful morning of 11 September 1967.

That morning dawned bright and sunny unlike the normal foggy days. The engineers and jawans started erecting long iron pickets from Nathu La to Sebu La along the perceived border while 2 Grenadiers and Artillery Observation Post Officers at Sebu La and Camel’s Back were on alert. Immediately the Chinese Political Commissar, with a section of Infantry came to the centre of the Pass where Lt. Col Rai Singh, CO 2 Grenadiers was standing with his commando platoon. The Commissar asked Lt Col Rai Singh to stop laying the wire. Orders to the Indian Army were clear. They were not to blink. An argument started which soon built up into a scuffle. In the ensuing melee, the commissar got roughed up. Thereafter the Chinese went up back to their bunkers and engineers resumed laying the wire.

Within a few minutes of this, a whistle was heard on the Chinese side followed by murderous medium machine gun fire from north shoulder. The pass is completely devoid of cover and the jawans of 70 Field Company and 18 Rajput were caught in the open and suffered heavy casualties which included Col Rai Singh who was wounded. He was awarded MVC later. Two brave officers – Capt Dagar of 2 Grenadiers and Major Harbhajan Singh of 18 Rajput rallied a few troops and tried to assault the Chinese MMG but both died a heroic death. They were posthumously awarded Vir Chakra and MVC respectively. 2 Grenadier opened small arms fire on North shoulder but it was not very effective. Within the first ten minutes, there were nearly seventy dead and scores wounded lying in the open on the pass. Within half an hour, Chinese artillery opened up on the pass as well as in the depth areas but it was mostly prophylactic fire due to lack of observation and failed to do much damage. Meanwhile we as artillery observation post officers asked for artillery fire, permission for which came a little later. Because of excellent domination and observation from Sebu La and Camel’s back, artillery fire was most effective and most of the Chinese bunkers on North shoulder and in depth were completely destroyed and Chinese suffered very heavy casualties which by their own estimates were over 400. The artillery duel thereafter carried on day and night. For the next three days, the Chinese were taught a lesson. On 14 September, Chinese threatened use of Air Force if shelling did not stop. By then the lesson had been driven home and an uneasy ceasefire came about. The Chinese, true to form, had pulled over dead bodies to their side of the perceived border at night and accused us of violating the border. Dead bodies were exchanged on 15 September at which time: Sam Manekshaw, Aurora and Sagat were present on the Pass.

Every battle has its own share of heroism, faint heartedness, drama and humour. The Nathu La skirmish was no exception. 2 Grenadiers were initially shaken up due to the loss of Capt Dagar and injury to their CO but found their man of the moment in Lieutenant Atar Singh who went round from trench to trench to rally the troops and was later promoted as Captain on the spot. On the lighter side was one artillery observation post officer, my colleague at Sebu La whose radio set was damaged due to shelling and he was out of communication with his guns. He rightly decided to go back to the base at Sherathang in the depth to get another radio set. While he was on his way back, Commander Artillery Brigade was coming up. He stopped the young captain, accused him of running away from the battle and sent him back after reducing him to his substantive rank of a second lieutenant. Casualties could not be evacuated for three days and nights as any move to do so invited a hail of Chinese bullets. Some wounded may well have succumbed to cold and rain. There were awards for bravery as also court martial for cowardice. However, what stood out was the steadfastness of the commanders and bravery of the jawans and junior officers. Indians refused to blink and the mighty Chinese dragon was made to look ordinary.

The situation again flared up twenty days later when on 1 October 1967 a face-off between India and China took place at Cho La, another pass on the Sikkim-Tibet border a few kilometers north of Nathu La. Despite initial casualties, 7/11 GR and 10 JAK RIF stood firm and forced the Chinese to withdraw nearly three kilometers away to a feature named Kam Barracks where they remain deployed till date. Cho La Pass is firmly in Indian hands. Indian Army had got better of the Chinese yet again.

No wonder, Sino-Indian border has remained peaceful ever since to the extent that today Chinese soldiers come and ask their Indian counterparts at Nathu La for cigarettes, rum and tea, mail is exchanged twice in a week in a hut constructed specially for this purpose and border personnel meeting takes place there twice a year. It was my privilege to command the Nathu La Brigade many years later and conduct the first border personnel meeting at Nathu La is 1995

 

[axisofevil]

WHatever it is...its not enough.....The Chinese have a clear advantage not just in terms of quality but quantity..

 

[NKVD]

WHatever it is...its not enough.....The Chinese have a clear advantage not just in terms of quality but quantity..

What about t-90MS any news about them when will we start there induction???