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India may transfer four attack helicopters to Afghanistan

And then all of that will end up destroyed or taken JUST LIKE it happened in iraq with US and allies :D and BTW all you transfer we'll make sure we'll study those weapons thoroughly like your vedic LCA, howitzers, Arjunk, Rockets, Rudras and etc cuz its our backyard it won't be hard to do that right :P


First get yourself one :P
LOL haramse bhai :P get ready with full butt load of itch guard. Mean while what happened to your warnings? Now India starting to sell weapons to afghanistan. When are you invading and for what are you waiting for. ? :D

And then all of that will end up destroyed or taken JUST LIKE it happened in iraq with US and allies :D and BTW all you transfer we'll make sure we'll study those weapons thoroughly like your vedic LCA, howitzers, Arjunk, Rockets, Rudras and etc cuz its our backyard it won't be hard to do that right :P


First get yourself one :P

On LCA we already have one inducted to be precise :P, and still 119 more to come in which 100 will be of or better than your dream fighter JF17 block 3 and block 4 :bunny:
 
If you so insist on it then who am i to say no :agree:
point is im programmed to conspire against peaceloving pios , hard working people of land of the pure be afraid be very very afraid :devil:
 
PA is getting 4 Mi35 Hind -E from Russia
And we will give 4 Mi25 Hind to ANA
So Taliban will get screwed from both ends
So its about just selling old Mi-25s and may be some Mi-17s to ANA :)

ANA must get Super Cobras from USM as there are about 10,000 NATO troops there.
 
better to provide them Rudra
MI35's would be better - they have experience operating these beasts, there terrain is suitable, armored bathtub like cockpit protects from small arms fire, which is prevalent there, and spares and available.
 
So its about just selling old Mi-25s and may be some Mi-17s to ANA :)

ANA must get Super Cobras from USM as there are about 10,000 NATO troops there.

Mi17 are brand new
Most of them were inducted after year 2011
Mi8 on the other hand could be transfered since they were inducted in year 1986-90 and are either retired and in storage or will be retired once the last batch of 48 Mi17 is inducted
 




In a major shift in position, India is discussing the transfer of attack helicopters to Afghanistan when Afghan National Security Adviser Hanif Atmar visits New Delhi this weekend (November 7-8) for meetings with NSA Ajit Doval, highly placed officials confirmed to The Hindu.

The visit by Mr. Atmar, who will be accompanied by Deputy Foreign Minister Hekmat Khalil Karzai, is being seen as a “reach out” by the Afghan government as it faces a severe security crisis, and officials told The Hindu that India is discussing the transfer of four Russian-made Mi-25 helicopters. This will be the first offensive weaponry given to Afghanistan, which has so far been the recipient of jeeps, three transport ‘Cheetal’ helicopters and military training from India only. Sources said the invitation to Mr. Atmar was extended by Mr. Doval during a telephone conversation 10 days ago, and that meetings with External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and other government officials are “being worked out.”

In the past few years, India has been wary of increasing its strategic partnership with Afghanistan, particularly given the Ghani government’s cosiness with Pakistan, and the military and the ISI there, as well as worries of a Pakistani reprisal for any offensive weaponry handed over. Upset at being cut out of the picture as President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani announced the controversial NDS-ISI MoU between the Afghan-Pakistan intelligence agencies, followed by talks with the Taliban which were hosted by Pakistan, India has ignored repeated requests to hold Strategic Partnership talks with Afghanistan.

Eventually, both the MoU and the talks with the Taliban have collapsed, adding to the pressure on President Ghani, whose policies are being criticised inside Afghanistan. The criticism has been sharpest over the fall of Kunduz to Taliban forces in September, with questions being raised over how the government forces surrendered to a relatively small group of Taliban fighters, and it took several days for U.S. Special Forces and the Afghan National Army to defeat them. Angered by the collapse, the senate has also called for a major Jirga of Afghan leaders in December for an appraisal of the Ghani government. “They are under pressure, there’s no doubt about it,” a senior official told The Hindu when asked about the visit by Mr. Atmar and Mr. Karzai. “Our conversations will be about taking forward the process of close consultations agreed to by PM Modi and President Ghani who have met twice this year.”

In an interview to an agency in Kabul last week, Mr. Atmar had said that both the al-Qaeda as well as the Islamic State are gaining ground in the country, even as the Taliban is challenging Afghan forces in several locations. “They have not been degraded, they have regenerated themselves,” Mr. Atmar said. Reacting to Afghan requests, especially after Taliban forces overran Kunduz in September, Mr. Obama had reversed his earlier commitment of a complete troops pullout, announcing that at least 9,800 U.S. forces would remain in Afghanistan for 2016. Amidst other worries, the Afghan National Army, which is severely under-equipped and under-staffed, counts only about 1.7 lakh men in its forces, which is the lowest it has been since 2011. They are facing an emboldened Taliban backed, according to the government, by Pakistan intelligence agencies. An official said the ANA was currently engaged in fighting Taliban in at least 57 areas of the country, as the militant group shifted strategy from ambushes and firing to assaults on town centres and highways.



Facing a security crisis, Afghan NSA Hanif Atmar reaches out to India - The Hindu
Seems like the perfect next chapter for the IAF's Mi-35s instead of being relegated to "gate guardians" in 3 years time. The IAF will be able to provide all of the requite training, weapons and spares for the ANAF and at the fraction of the cost the ANAF could get from third parties.

I will hold my breath though.

Flood gate just opened... Lots more to follow. Long range Howitzers, 105 mm guns, Arjun tanks, missiles, rockets, rudra, LCH and much much more to follow in future. US and West should come together to fund these weapons systems sold by India.

Slow down brother. India hasn't provided even a rifle yet and you are already talking about top of the line MBTs and attack helicopters? It is time to ramp up India's military support for the Afghans but let's keep our feet on the ground and remember what Afghanistan's limitations are (do you think they can afford a $7mn USD MBT?)
 
LOL haramse bhai :P get ready with full butt load of itch guard. Mean while what happened to your warnings? Now India starting to sell weapons to afghanistan. When are you invading and for what are you waiting for. ? :D



On LCA we already have one inducted to be precise :P, and still 119 more to come in which 100 will be of or better than your dream fighter JF17 block 3 and block 4 :bunny:
1st thing let me repeat my self your weapons will meet the same fate in Afghanistan as NATO weapons did in IRAQ :P so we don't need to do anything the talibunies just made Afghanistan's president the mayor of KABUL :D your training 600 afghanis in a year while 4000 afghanis leave the army in a year (not the exact numbers BTW) :cheesy:

Secondly about LCA although its off topic but still just let me know when your induct them ok ?? because may be till that time we might retire our JF 17 block 3's :P

now don't say that the army reported that'll it get its FOC by the end of this year or may be next or maybe 2018 or maybe in 2022 :coffee: (cuz your own media in an interview with an army personal stated that you'll be ready to induct them by 2022 there was also a thread on that here on PDF :disagree:)......
 
Slow down brother. India hasn't provided even a rifle yet and you are already talking about top of the line MBTs and attack helicopters? It is time to ramp up India's military support for the Afghans but let's keep our feet on the ground and remember what Afghanistan's limitations are (do you think they can afford a $7mn USD MBT?)

We don't have to reinvent wheels to sell a truck. Our defence R&D is far better than you can think. But the problem was the doors wr shut down for private sector so they have to search for Foreign buyers. Who will buy your weapons if your own army don't want them?

Today things have changed. We just need a strong passive and aggressive sales man government to pitch our weapons to others and sadly have to make course correction for our Armed forces who has large army of middle men who do anything and everything to egnore indigenous weapons.

Thank God. We have Modi-fied. We will ensure our private sector grow at their full potential. You will be very surprised to know the products available with baba Kalyani alone...

1st thing let me repeat my self your weapons will meet the same fate in Afghanistan as NATO weapons did in IRAQ :P so we don't need to do anything the talibunies just made Afghanistan's president the mayor of KABUL :D your training 600 afghanis in a year while 4000 afghanis leave the army in a year (not the exact numbers BTW) :cheesy:

Secondly about LCA although its off topic but still just let me know when your induct them ok ?? because may be till that time we might retire our JF 17 block 3's :P

now don't say that the army reported that'll it get its FOC by the end of this year or may be next or maybe 2018 or maybe in 2022 :coffee: (cuz your own media in an interview with an army personal stated that you'll be ready to induct them by 2022 there was also a thread on that here on PDF :disagree:)......

1st - don't know what fate you are pointing towards. Weapons are made to be destroyed when used or while used. The main point you need to understand is that it's not about 4 Mi35. It's about change in Mentality in India to arm Afghanistan with lethal weapons which was not the case before. It means today India can sell its lethal weapons to afghanistan like for example 105mm howitzers 155mm howitzers, machine guns, tanks like both old and new ad much much more. If you had followed India's help to afghanistan you should know what Pakistan said if India sold weapons to them. Check that first. Only then you will understand how aggressive and devastating this very move would be.

2nd - Spoiler alert : India already inducted 1 Tejas for now and 19 more already under process of being inducted by next year. From there on MK1-P will be followed with massive 100 orders. It's off topic on this thread so I will restrain to go further. And funny the way you could fix a refueling probe on JF17 and call it block two. Good bro:o:. In this sense you will keep inducting till block 17 to match our MK1-P capability. :chilli:
 
We don't have to reinvent wheels to sell a truck. Our defence R&D is far better than you can think. But the problem was the doors wr shut down for private sector so they have to search for Foreign buyers. Who will buy your weapons if your own army don't want them?

Today things have changed. We just need a strong passive and aggressive sales man government to pitch our weapons to others and sadly have to make course correction for our Armed forces who has large army of middle men who do anything and everything to egnore indigenous weapons.

Thank God. We have Modi-fied. We will ensure our private sector grow at their full potential. You will be very surprised to know the products available with baba Kalyani alone...



1st - don't know what fate you are pointing towards. Weapons are made to be destroyed when used or while used. The main point you need to understand is that it's not about 4 Mi35. It's about change in Mentality in India to arm Afghanistan with lethal weapons which was not the case before. It means today India can sell its lethal weapons to afghanistan like for example 105mm howitzers 155mm howitzers, machine guns, tanks like both old and new ad much much more. If you had followed India's help to afghanistan you should know what Pakistan said if India sold weapons to them. Check that first. Only then you will understand how aggressive and devastating this very move would be.

2nd - Spoiler alert : India already inducted 1 Tejas for now and 19 more already under process of being inducted by next year. From there on MK1-P will be followed with massive 100 orders. It's off topic on this thread so I will restrain to go further. And funny the way you could fix a refueling probe on JF17 and call it block two. Good bro:o:. In this sense you will keep inducting till block 17 to match our MK1-P capability. :chilli:
1st - You know ISRAEL and US of A thought the same by giving the Iraqi's there new tanks and few jets and howitzers and stuff they could counter IRAN but as you can see what happened it backfired and ISIS was born and the IRAQI's are so undertrained or with no morale that they keep loosing those hi tech weapons to those idiots like there toys.... As you can see in the same way Talibans are still strong in Afghanistan so there will be no use even if you give those weapons to the Afghanis forget about Pakistan pray that those weapons survive the talibans who just made president of Afghanistan the mayor of KABUL :P

2nd - Can you give us a verified link in which they say that they are going to induct 20 Tejas next year ?? OH WAIT you might have one cuz thats what you guys are getting for last 4 years instead of TEJAS :rofl: and last what capabilities does the JF-17 block 2 or block 1 lacks that MK1-P does not ??? (if radar then let me assure you that won't be long that the radars will be replaced i think till 2018 with AESA) Rather than that offcourse your vedic TEJAS test jet was better than USA's newest F22 :yahoo:
 
The National Security Adviser, Shri Ajit Doval meeting the Afghan National Security Adviser, Mr. Mohammad Hanif Atmar, in New Delhi on November 08, 2015.
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India, Afghanistan hold extensive talks on regional security - The Hindu

India and Afghanistan have held extensive discussions on various aspects of regional security, particularly terrorism which threatens peace and stability of the region as also ways and means to strengthen defence capabilities of Afghan security to deal with the menace.

The discussions took place during the meetings Afghan National Security Advisor Hanif Atmar had here with the Defence Minister and his Indian counterpart Ajit Doval, an External Affairs Ministry release said on Tuesday.

Mr. Atmar, who was here on November 8 and 9, also met Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar and attended a discussion in the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses.

“During the visit, the two sides discussed various aspects of regional security, particularly terrorism which threatens peace and stability of the region.

“They also discussed ways and means to enhance cooperation between India and Afghanistan to strengthen the latter’s defence capabilities for safeguarding its security and combating all forms of terrorism,” the release said.

It added that the Indian interlocutors of Mr. Atmar reiterated country’s strong commitment and support for a united, sovereign, democratic, stable and prosperous Afghanistan.

On his part, Mr. Atmar conveyed appreciation of his country’s leadership, its government and the Afghan people for reliable and predictable assistance from India.
 

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