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India may not admit it but its new deal with the US can change the balance of power in Asia

That might happen to india as an ally of the US.. China and Pakistan (and also NK) share borders, so they are not going anywhere.. this implies that geography plays a crucial role in geo-politics as well as realpolitik..

Neither is India going anywhere .I wonder why do Pakistanis always extrapolate their experiences with the US to India's.

While most if not all Geo political relationships are transactional in nature , mutual benefits bind it together as do mutual risks , neither individual benefits nor individual risks .

The narrative that Pakistan was used & abused before being discarded by the US is something that's written in their collective conscience .A dispassionate introspection would throw up surprisingly different results than what conventional held wisdom usually churns up.

Any neutral observer would beg to differ on the story of your victimhood .You can pick up any episode in this 70 year old relationship & for every instance of being used that you cite , a more than effective counter can be offered .It may not make for pleasant reading but it'd be the truth.
 
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Neither is India going anywhere .I wonder why do Pakistanis always extrapolate their experiences with the US to India's.

While most if not all Geo political relationships are transactional in nature , mutual benefits bind it together as do mutual risks , neither individual benefits nor individual risks .

The narrative that Pakistan was used & abused before being discarded by the US is something that's written in their collective conscience .A dispassionate introspection would throw up surprisingly different results than what conventional held wisdom usually churns up.

Any neutral observer would beg to differ on the story of your victimhood .You can pick up any episode in this 70 year old relationship & for every instance of being used that you cite , a more than effective counter can be offered .It may not make for pleasant reading but it'd be the truth.

A dispassionate introspection on you part will tell you that Pakistan did not invade Afghanistan, it was the USSR and than the US, So Pakistan was dragged into this by its supposed ally and friend the US, you can blame whatever you'd like on Pakistan but the truth is out there for everyone to see, even economically, Pakistan was soaring before the big floods, add to it a war with the USSR through the Taliban and other Muslim volunteers and the The US invasion of Afghanistan and you'll see that these are the facts not victimology as you want to call it..
The same or probably worst will happen to India if it follows the US global strategy..I understand that you want to defend the Indian position on these matters, but it does not compare with Pakistan and neither with NK, since both had wars imposed on them and In the Indian case this alliance with the US against China is voluntary..
Here I am done with this discussion..
 
A dispassionate introspection on you part will tell you that Pakistan did not invade Afghanistan, it was the USSR and than the US, So Pakistan was dragged into this by its supposed ally and friend the US, you can blame whatever you'd like on Pakistan but the truth is out there for everyone to see, even economically, Pakistan was soaring before the big floods, add to it a war with the USSR through the Taliban and other Muslim volunteers and the The US invasion of Afghanistan and you'll see that these are the facts not victimology as you want to call it..
The same or probably worst will happen to India if it follows the US global strategy..I understand that you want to defend the Indian position on these matters, but it does not compare with Pakistan and neither with NK, since both had wars imposed on them and In the Indian case this alliance with the US against China is voluntary..
Here I am done with this discussion..

Gen Zia was an angel. When the price was right he sold you to Uncle Sam. Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan and Musharaff followed the glorious tradition. WHat do you expect from military generals who think they are experts in running a country ?
 
A dispassionate introspection on you part will tell you that Pakistan did not invade Afghanistan, it was the USSR and than the US, So Pakistan was dragged into this by its supposed ally and friend the US, you can blame whatever you'd like on Pakistan but the truth is out there for everyone to see, even economically, Pakistan was soaring before the big floods, add to it a war with the USSR through the Taliban and other Muslim volunteers and the The US invasion of Afghanistan and you'll see that these are the facts not victimology as you want to call it..
The same or probably worst will happen to India if it follows the US global strategy..I understand that you want to defend the Indian position on these matters, but it does not compare with Pakistan and neither with NK, since both had wars imposed on them and In the Indian case this alliance with the US against China is voluntary..
Here I am done with this discussion..

So, Pakistan was dragged kicking & screaming into supporting the US & the Arab coalition into opposing the erstwhile USSR's invasion of Afghanistan.

All the news of Bhutto's tasking the ISI to foment trouble by cultivating Rabbani & his protege Massood apart from other Islamic groups , (as a response to Daud Khan's attempts to De stabilize the NWFP & Pakistan at large in his pursuit to amalagamte the Pashtun areas of Pakistan ), in their opposition to the PDPA during Daud Khan's regime in Afghanistan were just rumours.

All this was much before the Soviet invasion & can be out down to the usual intrigues two distrustful neighbours indulge in .Yet , all these building blocks were to come in handy once the invasion happened & resistance became inevitable .

Zia ul Haq's usage of the Afghan crisis to legitimise his rule in Pakistan by currying favour with the US & the Arab's support of Afghan opposition groups armed resistance to the invasion is also make belief.

A cursory reading of Korean history on Wikipedia ( not the most reliable of sources but a decent source for beginners ) would indicate that Kim Il Sung crossed the 38 th parallel with Chinese support to re unify Korea under his Communist leadership with active support from China.

While one can dedicate a thread firmly establishing the self seeking role Pakistan ( & its armed forces ) played in the entire Afghan imbroglio , Let me concede that I lack the time to do so.Hence , I've contributed my 2 cents & wish to end the discussion.

I suspect you know it all.But your parting shot summed up your attitude.After all , one can wake up a person who's asleep not someone pretending to sleep.

P S - If the Sino Pak alliance is against India , then the Indo US alliance will target both China & Pakistan . After all , the Sino Pak alliance is more than 4 decades old but the Indo US one is just materialising .I never saw India kick up a storm at the Sino Pak alliance ( but then strategic thinking in independent India was a subject with no students then ) whereas the response of both China & Pakistan to the Indo US alliance can be gauged by the various threads created & bolstered by Chinese & Pakistani posters in this forum.
Finally , I'm sure you'd concede every nation has a fundamental right to its defence & they make choices accordingly.Just as you made yours 4 decades ago & just as we were forced to make ours recently .
 
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Siddhartha was born in Nepal to hindu parents, He became Buddha in India among Indians. Buddha and Buddhism was born in India. If China can assemble Ipods and Iphones for USA, surely India can sign such agreements.
 
If you look into the number of times China opposed USA to that of India.
You will find out India opposed USA more times. You are ignorant, your CPC acts like a headless chicken and people like you come out and cry why India has signed agreement with USA.

Stop your crying , it is been months since you have started it.
I don't understand your logic. Why would Chinese cry when India want to become a US vassal ? Chinese laughing at Indians is more fitting.
 
Though the future of Indo-Chinese relations would be influenced by the Indo-US relations, the key to India's success with China would be through the path of Indo-Russian relations.

China has played the Pakistani card for far too long that it has now lost its strategic value.

Now it is India's turn to play the US card but the result depends on how it gels with the existing Russian card.
 
I don't understand your logic. Why would Chinese cry when India want to become a US vassal ? Chinese laughing at Indians is more fitting.

Except its not, its actually Chinese crying out loud. India is not a vassal. USA and India are friends with common interests. USA wants to contain China and India wants to help contain China. We want to extract technologies and develop faster, in return for help in contain China.

Japanese forced China to back off from Diaoyu islands without even a army. lol...
 
Except its not, its actually Chinese crying out loud. India is not a vassal. USA and India are friends with common interests. USA wants to contain China and India wants to help contain China. We want to extract technologies and develop faster, in return for help in contain China.

Japanese forced China to back off from Diaoyu islands without even a army. lol...
I think Japan can put a military that can bloody anyone's nose
we are not talking about nukes
 
Exactly. :lol:

Everywhere that provides logistics support for the US military is essentially the same as a US military base, and they have a lot of wars in Asia that they will use it for.

But it is much cheaper for them, since they can allow the vassal nation to do all the maintenance and upkeep work on the bases.
Haha so USA will use pm modi for only hard labour good very good

Japan was nuked twice by USA but still Japan chooses
USA over China.
Japan forced to choose USA read history what general McArthur did

Today u go to Japan most people hate USA

but their leaders are slaves of USA
 
Haha so USA will use pm modi for only hard labour good very good


Japan forced to choose USA read history what general McArthur did

Today u go to Japan most people hate USA

but their leaders are slaves of USA


10.5 k posts.4 negative points & 0 positive points.

His brilliant analysis above gets a thumbs up by another brilliant poster who happens to be a TTA.

Yet he's still only an elite member in spite of being here since 2008 & people here gripe about declining standards of the forum .
 
The question is how the world will perceive/see and accept "Made in India" products? and I mean the products that are already competing on the global markets, do you think there is a niche or that India can conquer markets and get a share? Or is this purely a " Make in India" for Indian market?
 
10.5 k posts.4 negative points & 0 positive points.

His brilliant analysis above gets a thumbs up by another brilliant poster who happens to be a TTA.

Yet he's still only an elite member in spite of being here since 2008 & people here gripe about declining standards of the forum .
If you cross lines than take few have some guts

By the way thank you for detailed analysis of me
 

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