India may Drop Russia Completely

[kashith]

I'm confused...
So India lost it's biggest arm supplier RUSSIA?
So Indian version of PAKFA will be no longer delivird to India?
So they wont get any techs or such?
So the deal that india made of 100PakFa aircraft are canceled.
But open for everyone in the world?
So country such as turkey can accept the deal and get those aircraft?
Including weapons, training, tech and lincense to produce it?

This is all BS..India will never leave Russia and vice versa.When Arihant was launched Manmohan openly thanked Russia.We are the only two country who are so closely bonded...Indo-Russia forever......

 

[lhuang]

This is a joke, right?

 

[Kinetic]

This is all BS..India will never leave Russia and vice versa.When Arihant was launched Manmohan openly thanked Russia.We are the only two country who are so closely bonded...Indo-Russia forever......

He was joking dude. Didn't he talk about Turkey can get PAK FA? Which is not possible.

Here everyone knows India-Russia relation is much more than just PAK FA or Akula or MKI or Commodore SS but genetically we are ancestors of the Russians.

R1a (Y-DNA) gene mainly found among Indians and Russians (with other small ethnic groups like Albanians, Kyrgyzstan) ...... without relation it cannot possible...

So don't worry, we are bonded....

 

[xMustiiej70]

So a little legenda about the picture would be nice.
and readable.

 

[Moorkh]

There are reports emanating from AERO INDIA that the IAF are looking at alternative 5TH GENERATION PLATFORMS to the proposed FGFA fighter project between india & Russia.

The report highlights india,s disappoint that the Russians have not involved IAF in the design of the proposed plane at any stage. The plane in its basic configuration is ready for its first flight in 2010.

One other major setback has been that despite sharing 50% costs of its future developments india request for NO SHARING of technology with china PLAAF was denied by the Russians.

In short the Russians want $5 to $10 billion dollars in development funding but india will not have exclusive rights to the PAK FA.. or its technology.

This follows serious delays and massive price hikes on the GORSKHOV carrier deal. rising from $650m to $1.8 billion today.

126 MRCA deal is now widely expected to be won by a western bidder
F18 super hornets or Rafael are the current front runners..

But the BIG QUESTION is where does IAF go for the future FIFTH GENERATION fighters. ????

India can no longer rely 100% exclusively on RUSSIA its just too dangerous

no sharing of technology with china!!!!

the russians themselves probably dont want to sell technology to china. simple reason is that they fear the chinese will reverse engineer it and come up with their own versions. they sell the technology which they know the chinese will reverse engineer anyway if not sold to them.

so the point about IAF being concerned over technology being sold to the chinese stands weakened

 

[kallol]

To the Thread Starter :

The relationship with Russia is much more than a mere defence needs. This relationship adds to the weight of India in the world forum. Most of the others apart from France has been time and US dependent. So this strategic relationship of geo-politics is much more predominant factor that just a supplier-user relationship.

The relationship with US is like "Make hay while the sun shines". This is highly time and "US interest" dependent.

If you haven't visited Russia, then you should know that the society structure and the way they think have more similarities with Indians (rather whole of Asia). This is not so with US, with whom it is only business interest.

I had very close look at the different labs under RAS, Sukhoi plants and some of their industries. I have rubbed shoulder with their top scientists. I have fair exposure to US also.

I can say that if India can utilise the wealth of knowledge the Russian labs have, they would be more than enough for keeping any adversaries at bay. This together with India's own industry, Israel's support and France's support, will be creating the best systems in the world.

US systems are fine but their interests vary with time and self need.

As far as I knew, Russians are wary about giving technologies to China as they do not trust them. Again they are also not happy about China's IP violations and reverse engineering.

They would go out of the way to empower India and provide necessary support to groom India which after 50s-60s was not the case with China.

Without Russia's support, India would not have grown so much in Nuclear sector, Space sector, mordernisation of Steel plants, defence systems maturity.

So it is our inability to use the full potential of this relationship. We still want Russia to be the same benevolent USSR with dirt cheap defence systems. We are ready to pay the west more than double the amount we pay to the Russians for almost the similar stuff but crib to pay more to Russians.

India would be too naive if she is thinking that this relationship is only based on defence supplies. It would be too risky for India at least for the foreseeable future.

 

[navtrek]

India and Indians will never drop Russia completely

Ties that bind

We are so near that if ever you call us from the mountain tops we will appear at your side.'
--Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, during his visit to India in December 1955.

When it comes to ties, India and the former Soviet Union go back to pre-Independence days, with Moscow recognising India as a nation on April 13, 1947, months before the official declaration of independence of India and its partition on August 15 that year.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union in December 1991, India and the Russian Federation continued to build on the historical ties and can proudly proclaim that their friendship has stood the test of time.



rediff.com: India-Russia ties through pictures

 

[navtrek]

AM just going to hijack this thread pls dont mind guys. Lets make this a "India Russia friendship facts thread"

 

[Marxist]

why r u guys replying to an old thread,at that time India was moving towards US for defense deals.

 

[navtrek]

A common agenda

Though they don't share a border, India and the Soviet Union were steadfast friends. India's first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru found solace in the Russian brand of Socialism, and was enamoured by the 'Soviet experiment.'

Nehru's impressions about the Soviet Union were probably formed during a brief visit to Moscow in 1927. In June 1955, accompanied by daughter Indira Gandhi, Nehru paid his first official visit to the USSR. This was quickly followed by a visit to India by a huge official delegation led by Nikita Khrushchev, then first secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and Premier Nikolay Bulganin in November that year.

'In the balance, therefore, I was all in favour of Russia, and the presence and example of the Soviets was a bright and heartening phenomenon in a dark and dismal world,'

Nehru declared in a speech in Washington, DC, December 18, 1956.

 

[navtrek]

The friendship grows

By February 1959, the Soviet-assisted metallurgical plant in Bhilai was operational. Nikita Khruschev came to India again in February 1960, followed by President Rajendra Prasad's visit to Moscow in November 1960, and Nehru in September 1961. Two months later, in December Leonid Brezhnev, then chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR, was in India.

Various pacts on agricultural and industrial cooperation were explored during these visits, but it was only in the 1960s that the India-Soviet military relationship took off, when India ordered a large number of aircraft for its air force. This was stepped up after the 1962 Sino-Indian border war.

Though Nehru was the promoter of the Non-alignment Movement, India's obvious closeness to the Soviet Union made Washington wary. After the 1965 war with Pakistan, Moscow invited Indian Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri and Pakistan President Ayub Khan in January 1966. Shastri died in Tashkent soon after the summit.

 

[navtrek]

Days of Glory

Barely five months later, the new Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi visited the Soviet Union. Within a year, Russia delivered its first batch of T-54 tanks for the Indian Army, and the first submarine to its navy.

In August 1971, as things started heating up again with Pakistan, Indira Gandhi signed the Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation with the Soviet Union, which was probably one of the reasons for the US -� and China -- not to get involved in that war which ended in December with Pakistan's surrender of the east and the birth of Bangladesh.

The spate of high level visits to and from the Soviet Union continued, with Indira Gandhi visiting Moscow several times, and trips to India by Leonid Brezhnev twice between 1973 and 1980.

 

[Abhiras]

Russia is the old & best friend of India....

 

[navtrek]

Not fade away

In April 1984, Indo-Soviet cooperation literally touched new heights when Squadron Leader Rakesh Sharma of the Indian Air Force became the first Indian cosmonaut as a member of a joint Soviet-Indian crew aboard the Soyuz T-11 spaceship. In October that year, Indira Gandhi was assassinated.

Her son Rajiv Gandhi, who succeeded her as prime minister, paid a visit to Moscow in May 1985, and then again in 1987. But the old Soviet Union was imploding. Mikhail Gorbachev, the last secretary of the Communist Party, visited India in November 1986.

By 1991, the Soviet Union was history. So was the Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation. But the relations between Moscow and New Delhi were built on stronger foundations.

 

[navtrek]

Where's the Bear?

Rajiv Gandhi journeyed to the Soviet Union in 1985, 1986, 1987, and 1989. Soviet leader Mikhail S Gorbachev traveled to India in 1986 and 1988.

But the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War in 1991 put India in a serious bind. The newly elected government of P V Narasimha Rao was struggling with its first tentative steps towards market reforms.

Suddenly, a huge market for Indian produce was in disarray. The Indian Army, Navy and Air Force were almost entirely dependent on Soviet equipment and spares, and now there was no Soviet Union. Several military and public joint ventures went into limbo.

Strategically, India had lost a trusted big power. The US, which had resented New Delhi's ties with Moscow, was in no hurry to mend fences.

Boris Yeltsin, who took over in Moscow as the first Russian President, visited India in 1993 and signed a fresh treaty on friendship and cooperation. Unlike the earlier one with the Soviets, there was no security agreement this time. A year later, Narasimha Rao visited Moscow.