India may buy the deadly Russian Armata Tank

[Zapper]

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2020/...ket-through-t-14-armata-tank-mass-production/

MOSCOW, (BM) – The recent aggravation on the Sino-Indian border has served as a good catalyst for growing demand for Russian weapons.


New Delhi, faced with the prospect of colliding with the PLA, asked Moscow to expedite the supply of S-400 air defense systems and intensify negotiations on the purchase of more than three dozen MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters. Also, India can become the first foreign market for the advanced T-14 Armata tank.

New Delhi has traditionally been a major consumer of Russian defense industry products. This is due to the dangerous proximity with Pakistan and China and the optimal price-quality ratio of Russian weapons.

Together with New Delhi, Moscow has, for example, a joint production program for the Su-30MKI fighter and the T-90S tank. Two years ago it was reported that the Indian army intends to replace 1770 of its obsolete T-72 tanks.

The main contenders were the T-14 Armata, the Ukrainian Oplot and the South Korean tank K2 Black Panther. If everything is clear with the real prospects of Oplot, then it was a great opportunity for the T-14.

This tank is really ahead of time. On the Armata platform, a whole family of armored vehicles can be created. The crew of the tank was reduced to three people due to the uninhabitability of the tower, the control of firing from the powerful 125 mm smoothbore gun 2A82-1M is automated and is carried out via a digital interface.

Active and passive defense systems have been used that dramatically increase the survivability of the combat vehicle. In fact, this is not just a tank, but also a real command center, designed to conduct modern-style network-centric warfare.

This tank is good for everyone, except for the price. For comparison, the production of one T-72 of the latest B3M modification costs about 80 million rubles, the T-90M costs 150 million, and the T-14 is already 250 million rubles (and this cost will be relevant only for multi-series production.

Now the cost of one experimental a sample of the latest tank reaches 500 million rubles). The difference is very significant. Because of this, it turned out to be beneficial for the military to modernize the already existing “nineties.” Belarus went the same way, turning the T-72 into the T-72BEM, which is considered appropriate for the capabilities of the Russian T-90A tank.

In general, such a prudent approach is justified, but it puts an end to the prospects of its immeasurably more expensive follower of the T-14. Instead of previously announced more than 2 thousand produced a little more than two dozen armored vehicles.

Only mass conveyor production can change the situation, which will significantly reduce its cost. Some time ago, “Armata” began to be prepared for export, forming its technical passport, which we described in detail earlier. For this, the tank was even “brought” to Syria.

The countries of the Middle East were named as potential buyers, where both money is found and the conditions for operation are suitable.

But, apparently, India will become its first foreign buyer. This is reported with reference to its sources, the publication “Star”: “The product is being prepared for export. India showed interest of it.”

Apparently, New Delhi needed additional arguments against China and Pakistan simultaneously in heaven and on earth.

Rumors or truth are India’s desire to buy T-14 Armata tank

On June 26 we reported that India is considering buying Russian tanks on the basis of the Armata platform.

“The product is being prepared for export. India showed interest in him,” said the interlocutor of Zvezda newspaper. According to him, experts decide what of the equipment of the latest tank can be exported and what not.

The fact that India is considering the purchase of Armata tanks is also mentioned in the military-analytical publications of the country. Note that such publications in the Indian media do not appear for the first time. So, in 2018, Indian Defense News reported that India plans to purchase 1,770 modern tanks to replace the obsolete T-72 and T-14. Armata is a candidate for this deal.

It was previously reported that serial deliveries of promising T-14 tanks on the Armata platform to Russian troops will begin in 2021.

The T-14 Armata is the first tank in the world that implements the concept of network-centric warfare in its design concept, where the T-14 is used primarily as a reconnaissance, target designation and fire adjustment system for self-propelled guns, SAM and T-90 tanks from its tactical support link.

Highly unlikely. In fact, India ordered 464 additional T-90s in 2019 which will be license built in India just like how the previous ones were. We've got enough T-72s & T-90s in the 40-50 tonne category


https://thediplomat.com/2019/11/ind...illion-deal-for-464-t-90ms-main-battle-tanks/

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

India is faced with economic collapse like Nazi Germany was in 1939.

Tanks, carriers and jets have very low return on investment, especially when purchased from abroad - except when they're used to conquer, exploit and enslave.

Watch for increasing Indian aggression in the next few months.

 

[IblinI]

our new 2 manned/ETC mbt is not far away, thus not our concern if India takes the price.

 

[Arsalan]

India, if looking to join the ARMATA project will have to go for an extensive up gradation of mechanized division. A complete overhaul of sorts inducting different variants based on this platform. Without doing that, inducting T-14 alone will be nothing but wastage of money. Now i was quite sure that the Indians, specially the ones in charge of military procurement wont be THAT stupid but that view point have taken a serious hit in past few months. I wont be surprised if they do go for a ego-driven, public-pleasing deal for T-14s alone irrespective of the fact that it will just cost the taxpayers extra $$ with zero extra benefits.

 

[Joe1351]

India is faced with economic collapse like Nazi Germany was in 1939.

Tanks, carriers and jets have very low return on investment, especially when purchased from abroad - except when they're used to conquer, exploit and enslave.

Watch for increasing Indian aggression in the next few months.

Nazi Germany's economy was booming in 1939. They just took off in 1939 almost taking over the world because of it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

True but Russia would never choose between India or China. Should relations sour with China, Russia would likely have to position around 1.5 million soldiers around the Chinese border, just like during the Cold War. This is something they can ill afford at this time due to their declining economy/technical base. Russia selling arms to India in the aftermath of the June 15 clash was not a indication Russia favored India ... if anything, it shows their neutral policy. If China wanted to buy Russian arms, I'm sure the cash strapped Russian defense ministry would have happily obliged. In any case, as long as Putin and Xi are in power, Russia and China's relations should remain more or less than what they are right now.

Russia has no way to keep Siberia without nukes in a hot war. There are only 3 ways to get from European Russia to the Chinese border: Trans-Siberian Highway AH-6 and the 2 legs of the Trans-Siberian railroad.

In comparison, here's the Chinese road network in the Northeast. The same A2AD missile/satellite/bomber network that keeps USN carriers away can also kick the logistical legs out from the Russian far east. It doesn't matter how many troops they have in Siberia if random segments of railway in the middle of nowhere are gone.

This is proof that China does not want even 1 inch of land in Russia. If China did, you'd see investments in ground forces, logistics in the northeast and ABM. You don't. You see a full naval investment instead.

Nazi Germany's economy was booming in 1939. They just took off in 1939 almost taking over the world because of it.

Nope that was due to debt financing. They would've collapsed due to debt coming due and lack of foreign exchange with a worthless reichsmark if it wasn't for them pillaging other countries. Himmler even wrote about this explicitly.

Source:

https://cupola.gettysburg.edu/cgi/v...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1188&context=ghj

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

"Between 1933 and 1939 the total revenue of the German government amounted to 62 billion Reichsmarks, whereas government expenditure (up to 60% of which consisted of rearmament costs) exceeded 101 billion, thus causing a huge deficit and rising national debt (reaching 38 billion marks in 1939)"

"During the 1930s, Nazi Germany increased its military spending faster than any other state in peacetime,[6] and the military eventually came to represent the majority of the German economy in the 1940s.[7] This was funded mainly through deficit financing before the war, and the Nazis expected to cover their debt by plundering the wealth of conquered nations during and after the war.[8] Such plunder did occur, but its results fell far short of Nazi expectations.[9]"

if Nazi Germany was booming they could've just waited longer. But they weren't. They had to invade Poland or they would've collapsed, hence why they invaded Poland. Both US and USSR on the other hand were actually booming, which is why they tried to avoid the fight as long as possible to build up.

 

[kris]

its good time to cash india
everyone wants piece of it
france
usa
russia

Obviously because india has cash

 

[My-Analogous]

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2020/...ket-through-t-14-armata-tank-mass-production/

MOSCOW, (BM) – The recent aggravation on the Sino-Indian border has served as a good catalyst for growing demand for Russian weapons.


New Delhi, faced with the prospect of colliding with the PLA, asked Moscow to expedite the supply of S-400 air defense systems and intensify negotiations on the purchase of more than three dozen MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters. Also, India can become the first foreign market for the advanced T-14 Armata tank.

New Delhi has traditionally been a major consumer of Russian defense industry products. This is due to the dangerous proximity with Pakistan and China and the optimal price-quality ratio of Russian weapons.

Together with New Delhi, Moscow has, for example, a joint production program for the Su-30MKI fighter and the T-90S tank. Two years ago it was reported that the Indian army intends to replace 1770 of its obsolete T-72 tanks.

The main contenders were the T-14 Armata, the Ukrainian Oplot and the South Korean tank K2 Black Panther. If everything is clear with the real prospects of Oplot, then it was a great opportunity for the T-14.

This tank is really ahead of time. On the Armata platform, a whole family of armored vehicles can be created. The crew of the tank was reduced to three people due to the uninhabitability of the tower, the control of firing from the powerful 125 mm smoothbore gun 2A82-1M is automated and is carried out via a digital interface.

Active and passive defense systems have been used that dramatically increase the survivability of the combat vehicle. In fact, this is not just a tank, but also a real command center, designed to conduct modern-style network-centric warfare.

This tank is good for everyone, except for the price. For comparison, the production of one T-72 of the latest B3M modification costs about 80 million rubles, the T-90M costs 150 million, and the T-14 is already 250 million rubles (and this cost will be relevant only for multi-series production.

Now the cost of one experimental a sample of the latest tank reaches 500 million rubles). The difference is very significant. Because of this, it turned out to be beneficial for the military to modernize the already existing “nineties.” Belarus went the same way, turning the T-72 into the T-72BEM, which is considered appropriate for the capabilities of the Russian T-90A tank.

In general, such a prudent approach is justified, but it puts an end to the prospects of its immeasurably more expensive follower of the T-14. Instead of previously announced more than 2 thousand produced a little more than two dozen armored vehicles.

Only mass conveyor production can change the situation, which will significantly reduce its cost. Some time ago, “Armata” began to be prepared for export, forming its technical passport, which we described in detail earlier. For this, the tank was even “brought” to Syria.

The countries of the Middle East were named as potential buyers, where both money is found and the conditions for operation are suitable.

But, apparently, India will become its first foreign buyer. This is reported with reference to its sources, the publication “Star”: “The product is being prepared for export. India showed interest of it.”

Apparently, New Delhi needed additional arguments against China and Pakistan simultaneously in heaven and on earth.

Rumors or truth are India’s desire to buy T-14 Armata tank

On June 26 we reported that India is considering buying Russian tanks on the basis of the Armata platform.

“The product is being prepared for export. India showed interest in him,” said the interlocutor of Zvezda newspaper. According to him, experts decide what of the equipment of the latest tank can be exported and what not.

The fact that India is considering the purchase of Armata tanks is also mentioned in the military-analytical publications of the country. Note that such publications in the Indian media do not appear for the first time. So, in 2018, Indian Defense News reported that India plans to purchase 1,770 modern tanks to replace the obsolete T-72 and T-14. Armata is a candidate for this deal.

It was previously reported that serial deliveries of promising T-14 tanks on the Armata platform to Russian troops will begin in 2021.

The T-14 Armata is the first tank in the world that implements the concept of network-centric warfare in its design concept, where the T-14 is used primarily as a reconnaissance, target designation and fire adjustment system for self-propelled guns, SAM and T-90 tanks from its tactical support link.

Not a chance after nuclear submarine. Russia will not give its core technology

 

[Figaro]

Russia has no way to keep Siberia without nukes in a hot war. There are only 3 ways to get from European Russia to the Chinese border: Trans-Siberian Highway AH-6 and the 2 legs of the Trans-Siberian railroad.

In comparison, here's the Chinese road network in the Northeast. The same A2AD missile/satellite/bomber network that keeps USN carriers away can also kick the logistical legs out from the Russian far east. It doesn't matter how many troops they have in Siberia if random segments of railway in the middle of nowhere are gone.

This is proof that China does not want even 1 inch of land in Russia. If China did, you'd see investments in ground forces, logistics in the northeast and ABM. You don't. You see a full naval investment instead.

This is why I'm saying Russia would never side against China with India. If it does, relations will certainly turn hostile, as in during the Soviet era. Except this time, Russia can not match a Chinese military buildup at all in the Siberia. IIRC, I read this article back in 2001 basically saying at that time, a Chinese invasion of Siberia and Outer Manchuria would basically be impossible to stop due to the supply chokepoints as you mentioned (which is how the Japanese defeated the Russians in 1905). Note the night and day gap between the PLA at the turn of the millennia and today. Of course, with this being said, I doubt Russia would side with China over India either because India is by far the largest customer of Russian arms. Indeed, India is holding up the Russian arms industry currently even more so that China was during the 90s ... this isn't going to change in the forseeable future.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

With China deploying its newly-developed Type 15 light tanks close to the Ladakh border, is it the right time for India to procure the Russian T-14 Armata Main Battle Tanks (MBT)?

The two Asian neighbors have been locked in a border stand-off in the high-altitude plateau of Eastern Ladakh for the past nine months or so. Despite extreme cold and low oxygen levels, both countries have kept their troops stationed at several points on either side of the LAC, along with guns and tanks.

A T-14 Armata tank
Earlier, India had deployed a large number of T-90 Bhishma tanks along with T-72 tanks in various sectors of the Ladakh region. This was in response to China deploying its Type 15 light tanks that are suitable for the high-altitude region. There were reports of the delivery of an advanced version of the Type 15 tanks to the PLA Xinjiang Military Command recently.

In November, The Eurasian Times reported that Russia’s T-14 Armata Tanks would be capable of operating in temperatures as low as -50 degrees Celsius with the installation of mobile power stations that ensure the immediate and smooth engine starts even in extremely cold weather.

This new feature would be advantageous for India to deploy the tank — provided it decides to buy it — in extreme-cold regions like Eastern Ladakh where the mercury plummets to -40 degrees celsius in the winter.

Is India Interested In Buying T-14 Armata?
The Russian Ministry of Defence had earlier announced the production of the advanced T-14 Armata MBTs. It was followed by reports that Moscow had plans of working with foreign customers in 2021, and that it had already received requests for the tanks.

The potential clients include Egypt, Vietnam, Belarus, and India, according to reports. However, India has not officially made any announcement yet.

Defense writer Peter Suciu believes India’s interest in procuring the advanced T-14 Armata tanks is not a big surprise. He says that India’s traditional military partnership with Russia is one of the factors as to why the country continues to buy defense equipment from the nation.

While India has shown that it can sustain itself on its own and produce weapons within the nation’s own boundaries under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make in India’ initiative, it may not be averse to the idea of buying in the T-14 Armatas. It is worth mentioning that New Delhi is set to acquire the Russian S-400 air defense system despite the risks of US sanctions.

According to a working paper published by the Stimson Center, a Washington-based think tank, approximately 86 percent of India’s military equipment is of Russian origin.

A Next-Generation Russian Battle Tank
The T-14 Armata main battle tank is based on the Armata Universal Combat Platform—the first series-produced next-generation tank.

According to GlobalSecurity.org, the Armata Universal Combat Platform is a unified heavy platform created for a variety of armored vehicles, including the main battle tank, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, among others.

First demonstrated during the Victory Day Parade in Moscow in May 2015, the T-14 Armata has fully digitized equipment, an unmanned turret, and an isolated armored capsule for the crew.

These advanced tanks are Russia’s answer to the US’ M1 Abrams third-generation battle tanks, which destroyed 37 of the Soviet-designed T-72s during the 1991 Gulf War.

According to Army Technology, the tanks are equipped with the Active Protection System (APS) that can intercept and destroy incoming missiles and rockets.

The APS is designed in a manner so that it can work against all types of anti-tank missiles and rockets, including handheld weapons such as rocket-propelled grenades.

According to Suciu, if India indeed goes ahead with the procurement of the T-14 tanks, they could serve as a powerful deterrent to China, which is unlikely to purchase the Russian-made tank.

Moreover, the timing could not be any better for India, as Russia is also eager to find customers in order to subsidize the costs of the tanks, says Suciu.

Is India Exploring Russian T-14 Armata Tanks As China Builds-Up Pressure In Ladakh?

With China deploying its newly-developed Type 15 light tanks close to the Ladakh border, is it the right time for India to procure the Russian T-14 Armata Main Battle Tanks (MBT)? Boost To Modi’s ‘Make In India’ As HAL Delivers Dhruv Mark-III Helicopters To Navy The two Asian neighbors have been...

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[Han-Tang]

Dig a well when you're dying of thirst

 

[Bilal9]

With China deploying its newly-developed Type 15 light tanks close to the Ladakh border, is it the right time for India to procure the Russian T-14 Armata Main Battle Tanks (MBT)?

The two Asian neighbors have been locked in a border stand-off in the high-altitude plateau of Eastern Ladakh for the past nine months or so. Despite extreme cold and low oxygen levels, both countries have kept their troops stationed at several points on either side of the LAC, along with guns and tanks.

A T-14 Armata tank
Earlier, India had deployed a large number of T-90 Bhishma tanks along with T-72 tanks in various sectors of the Ladakh region. This was in response to China deploying its Type 15 light tanks that are suitable for the high-altitude region. There were reports of the delivery of an advanced version of the Type 15 tanks to the PLA Xinjiang Military Command recently.

In November, The Eurasian Times reported that Russia’s T-14 Armata Tanks would be capable of operating in temperatures as low as -50 degrees Celsius with the installation of mobile power stations that ensure the immediate and smooth engine starts even in extremely cold weather.

This new feature would be advantageous for India to deploy the tank — provided it decides to buy it — in extreme-cold regions like Eastern Ladakh where the mercury plummets to -40 degrees celsius in the winter.

Is India Interested In Buying T-14 Armata?
The Russian Ministry of Defence had earlier announced the production of the advanced T-14 Armata MBTs. It was followed by reports that Moscow had plans of working with foreign customers in 2021, and that it had already received requests for the tanks.

The potential clients include Egypt, Vietnam, Belarus, and India, according to reports. However, India has not officially made any announcement yet.

Defense writer Peter Suciu believes India’s interest in procuring the advanced T-14 Armata tanks is not a big surprise. He says that India’s traditional military partnership with Russia is one of the factors as to why the country continues to buy defense equipment from the nation.

While India has shown that it can sustain itself on its own and produce weapons within the nation’s own boundaries under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make in India’ initiative, it may not be averse to the idea of buying in the T-14 Armatas. It is worth mentioning that New Delhi is set to acquire the Russian S-400 air defense system despite the risks of US sanctions.

According to a working paper published by the Stimson Center, a Washington-based think tank, approximately 86 percent of India’s military equipment is of Russian origin.

A Next-Generation Russian Battle Tank
The T-14 Armata main battle tank is based on the Armata Universal Combat Platform—the first series-produced next-generation tank.

According to GlobalSecurity.org, the Armata Universal Combat Platform is a unified heavy platform created for a variety of armored vehicles, including the main battle tank, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, among others.

First demonstrated during the Victory Day Parade in Moscow in May 2015, the T-14 Armata has fully digitized equipment, an unmanned turret, and an isolated armored capsule for the crew.

These advanced tanks are Russia’s answer to the US’ M1 Abrams third-generation battle tanks, which destroyed 37 of the Soviet-designed T-72s during the 1991 Gulf War.

According to Army Technology, the tanks are equipped with the Active Protection System (APS) that can intercept and destroy incoming missiles and rockets.

The APS is designed in a manner so that it can work against all types of anti-tank missiles and rockets, including handheld weapons such as rocket-propelled grenades.

According to Suciu, if India indeed goes ahead with the procurement of the T-14 tanks, they could serve as a powerful deterrent to China, which is unlikely to purchase the Russian-made tank.

Moreover, the timing could not be any better for India, as Russia is also eager to find customers in order to subsidize the costs of the tanks, says Suciu.

Is India Exploring Russian T-14 Armata Tanks As China Builds-Up Pressure In Ladakh?

With China deploying its newly-developed Type 15 light tanks close to the Ladakh border, is it the right time for India to procure the Russian T-14 Armata Main Battle Tanks (MBT)? Boost To Modi’s ‘Make In India’ As HAL Delivers Dhruv Mark-III Helicopters To Navy The two Asian neighbors have been...

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Calling BS on this report.

A) T-14 is not even ready for series production and export. Neither is companion platform T-15, or variants for either of these.

B) Even if the Russians could offer it to Indians, too expensive. The systems are so new and expensive, Indians cannot even consider affording it, technically it is considered more advanced than the latest Abrams platform, with remote guns, ATGMs and a separate front-mounted and armored escape pod for the tank operators (Indian Army doesn't consider their soldiers that valuable, more like ATGM fodder). They had problems with inducting proven tanks that were a decade old and a T-14? Good luck with that.

@waz bhai, isn't Eurasiantimes a Godi Media fake news site?

 

[siegecrossbow]

It seems that they are exploring all kinds of tanks except the one they make themselves.

 

[IblinI]

Calling BS on this report.

A) T-14 is not even ready for series production and export. Neither is companion platform T-15, or variants for either of these.

B) Even if the Russians could offer it to Indians, too expensive. The systems are so new and expensive, Indians cannot even consider affording it, technically it is considered more advanced than the latest Abrams platform, with remote guns, ATGMs and a separate front-mounted and armored escape pod for the tank operators (Indian Army doesn't consider their soldiers that valuable, more like ATGM fodder). They had problems with inducting proven tanks that were a decade old and a T-14? Good luck with that.

@waz bhai, isn't Eurasiantimes a Godi Media fake news site?

Also a point to add, is the tank designed for high plateu warfare, I don't think so.

 

[Super Falcon]

Finaly india and russia agreed to produce armata basrd tanks for indian army a threat for pakistan