India-made Dhruv choppers restricted from flying in Equador after mishaps

[Abingdonboy]

Most of other nations operate India choppers on the donation as gift not the customer per say. Any foreign customer will look to purchase weapons from the west, US, Russia then China because of reliability of the system.

Now you are just waffling. Does it matter if the ALH was donated, gifted, sold or materialised out of thin air? The fact remains, the EAF are the only people outside of India to have crashed the ALH that too while many are operational with many foreign nations.

+ China? Who would seriously buy from China if they weren't selling such equipment at such low prices and usually on soft loans? You're talking about quality and bringing in China???

 

[Bratva]

Of course, especially if the Su 30 in IAF has a track record of 5 accidents in roughly 17 years of service, or by the fact that most of the crashes were caused by pilot errors, or the fact that most of the problems happend with fighters and systems delivered directly by Russia compared to the fighters and systems HAL produced and implemented.

If pilot error is confirmed, does it mean death to pilot carrier and promotion ?

 

[Manindra]

comparing a Single Engine Light helo with a dual engine medium weight helo isn't right...

about Dhruv,2 of their accident occurred due to Pilot Error.their first accident occurred when the pilot tried to make a low fly by and crashed.

its a good helo and is serving India real good.and there are a lot of things which Mi-17 isn't capable of.one of the important criteria was operating in high altitude areas.

even Equador was happy with these helos...

According to Barreiro, the quality of Dhruv is demonstrated "that these aircraft have flown over 2700 hours and several of its pilots are operating in an almost permanent, some are credited flight instructors and 1,000 flight hours, only in this equipment. "


Reply: At the request of John T. Cortez, president of Sumil CA, represented in Ecuador Hindustan Aeronautics

Let me address this communication to express my dissatisfaction and discomfort for the tip appeared in reference to comercio.com Dhruv helicopters, manufactured in India, that are being used with complete satisfaction by the sr. President of the Republic and Ecuador's Air Force.

The article mentions as an information base to have a news agency of Pakistan, a situation that in no way warrants the considerable base credible and true. On the other hand contains a series of false statements only intended to discredit an internationally renowned company and the Ecuadorian authorities.

I am surprised that a newspaper in the history of El Comercio newspaper can play without verification of any kind, baseless information, unsigned responsibility and who knows what purposes.

I have the conviction that behind this there is a purpose-driven shady people interested only in damage and discredit the good name of the company and its product HAL, the Dhruv helicopter, and institutions of the Ecuadorian state.

Very strongly request that you make room in your newspaper to this paper claims, and further requests the Government you start investigations to

clarify aspects of the case.

With the most compliments,

Dr. Juan Cortez T.
President SUMIL C.A.
Representative in Ecuador HINDUSTAN AERONAUTICS LTD.

this one was one of the major proof which was written against some Pakistani Newspaper wrote some garbage about Dhruv.but I agree with you on one point.on VVIP duties,one should never use Single Engine Helo.

Dhruv is a double engined chopper

 

[kinsr]

an un-armed helicopter doing a 'sortie'

you may want to revisit the meaning of the term

Will you be kind enough to provide the correct terminology? Please.

 

[sancho]

If pilot error is confirmed, does it mean death to pilot carrier and promotion ?

No clue what you mean, or what the relation to my post is, can you explain?

 

[Bratva]

No clue what you mean, or what the relation to my post is, can you explain?

If pilot error is confirmed in a plane crash, What effects it has on IAF pilot carrer

 

[sancho]

If pilot error is confirmed in a plane crash, What effects it has on IAF pilot carrer

So no relation to my post..., don't know if there are special effects on the career, accidents happen and can only be minimized not avoided at all.

 

[Hindustani78]

Dhruv helicopters are good, says Parrikar after Ecuador's move | Zee News
Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 20:31

Asserting that Dhruv helicopters are good, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Saturday said HAL has been asked to set up additional depots for spares after Ecuador put the Indian choppers on "restricted" operations following a spate of accidents.

"Dhruv is a good platform. If there is any issue about maintainance...I have already discussed. I have asked HAL to create a depot wherever it is required so that spares are available," he told reporters here.

He was asked about the move by Ecuador to put the remaining three helicopters it had bought on restricted operations and if it would affect India's plans to emerge globally as a defence manufacturer.

"This is a problem of getting spares in time. HAL has taken a decision to keep Rs 400 crore aside for built up of spares. It might take 3-6 months," he said.

Ecuadorian Air Force had bought seven Dhruv helicopters from state-run HAL in 2009 under a deal estimated to cost about USD 45 million.

Two of them had crashed earlier while two suffered accidents recently, in a span of about a fortnight.

"Three aircraft have had their operations restricted because they are undergoing a complete check," Security Minister Cesar Navas was quoted as saying by El Universo newspaper after the accident on January 27.

Dhruv helicopter FAE 605 allegedly caught fire in Ecuador's Amazon region on January 27 after taking off at a military base in Tena, according to local media.

Two people were injured in the mishap.

It was the fourth Dhruv to suffer an accident since 2009.

Incidentally, this mishap occurred at a time when an Indian team was already there to probe the incident that took place on January 13.

Official sources said another General Manager (Repairs and Maintenance), has now being sent to the northwestern South American country following the second accident.

They said the joint probe team will look into all angles including technical and human error.

A major accident happened in February 2014 when a Dhruv, assigned to the Air Force and sometimes used to transport President Rafael Correa, crashed on a flight from Guayaquil to Quito, killing three of its four crew members.

Earlier in October 2009, one helicopter crashed while making a low pass during a military ceremony in Quito, injuring the pilot and co-pilot.

Dhruv helicopters were inducted into the Indian military in 2002.


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Its good news that additional depots will be open for spare parts .

 

[Abingdonboy]

Dhruv helicopters are good, says Parrikar after Ecuador's move | Zee News
Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 20:31

Asserting that Dhruv helicopters are good, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Saturday said HAL has been asked to set up additional depots for spares after Ecuador put the Indian choppers on "restricted" operations following a spate of accidents.

"Dhruv is a good platform. If there is any issue about maintainance...I have already discussed. I have asked HAL to create a depot wherever it is required so that spares are available," he told reporters here.

He was asked about the move by Ecuador to put the remaining three helicopters it had bought on restricted operations and if it would affect India's plans to emerge globally as a defence manufacturer.

"This is a problem of getting spares in time. HAL has taken a decision to keep Rs 400 crore aside for built up of spares. It might take 3-6 months," he said.

Ecuadorian Air Force had bought seven Dhruv helicopters from state-run HAL in 2009 under a deal estimated to cost about USD 45 million.

Two of them had crashed earlier while two suffered accidents recently, in a span of about a fortnight.

"Three aircraft have had their operations restricted because they are undergoing a complete check," Security Minister Cesar Navas was quoted as saying by El Universo newspaper after the accident on January 27.

Dhruv helicopter FAE 605 allegedly caught fire in Ecuador's Amazon region on January 27 after taking off at a military base in Tena, according to local media.

Two people were injured in the mishap.

It was the fourth Dhruv to suffer an accident since 2009.

Incidentally, this mishap occurred at a time when an Indian team was already there to probe the incident that took place on January 13.

Official sources said another General Manager (Repairs and Maintenance), has now being sent to the northwestern South American country following the second accident.

They said the joint probe team will look into all angles including technical and human error.

A major accident happened in February 2014 when a Dhruv, assigned to the Air Force and sometimes used to transport President Rafael Correa, crashed on a flight from Guayaquil to Quito, killing three of its four crew members.

Earlier in October 2009, one helicopter crashed while making a low pass during a military ceremony in Quito, injuring the pilot and co-pilot.

Dhruv helicopters were inducted into the Indian military in 2002.


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Its good news that additional depots will be open for spare parts .

If it is a issue of a lack of spares then one has to ask why the EAF were flying these machines knowing they weren't safe to do so.

 

[Hindustani78]

If it is a issue of a lack of spares then one has to ask why the EAF were flying these machines knowing they weren't safe to do so.

Dhruv is already is being in use in Indian forces and even by many countries like Turkey, Maldives, Nepal, Suriname, Mauritius and Israel. HAL is getting more orders and for this additional spare depots are needed.

 

[Tshering22]

Ecuador only nation operate the choppers outside of India, 4 out of 7 crashed over 5 yrs period not the confident building for the foreign customer to purchase military weapons from India.

Ecuador, Maldives, Mauritius, Suriname, Nepal, Turkey, India and Peru fly Dhruvs.

Honestly, At least research a bit before jumping into slugfest.

 

[nomi007]

next time they will buy chinese helos

 

[Steakhouse]

Ecuador, Maldives, Mauritius, Suriname, Nepal, Turkey, India and Peru fly Dhruvs.

Honestly, At least research a bit before jumping into slugfest.

Lol research India chopper? I knew Ecuador operated Indian choppers because the choppers frequent crashed and it made the news.

 

[Hindustani78]

Soaring high: Over 200 Dhruv helicopters are being used by the Indian military.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...eign-market/article17668821.ece?homepage=true

In talks with Sri Lanka and Southeast Asian nations; emphasis on maintenance
As part of efforts to enhance defence cooperation and boost exports with friendly countries, India is in discussions with Sri Lanka and several Southeast Asian nations for the supply of Dhruv, the indigenously developed advanced light helicopter (ALH).

Supplying defence equipment and providing assistance in setting up domestic manufacturing capability have become the new normal in India’s defence cooperation with regional countries.

“There are queries … There is talk with Vietnam, Myanmar and Sri Lanka for ALH,” T. Suvarna Raju, Chief Managing Director of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), told The Hindu.

Another official said discussions with Indonesia were progressing well. Officials from India were expected to visit Jakarta in April.

This time, India is putting specific emphasis on maintenance and training in view of its experience of Dhruv sales to Ecuador, which got embroiled in legal issues.

Amid much fanfare in 2009, India bagged a deal to supply seven of these helicopters to Ecuador worth $45.2 million after defeating several global platforms. However, the euphoria was short-lived as four of them crashed. In October 2015, Ecuador unilaterally terminated the contract and in 2016, put the three helicopters on sale. Following this, HAL had moved a local court there. Of the four crashes, two had been attributed to pilot error and one to mechanical failure.

Availability of spares

Dhruv, designed and developed by the HAL, is powered by the Shakti engine jointly developed by it and Turbomeca of France. Over 200 helicopters are in service with the Indian military.

The three Services have constantly complained about lack of spares and support for the fleet. The situation has slightly improved in recent times.

“We have started mini maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facilities at forward bases where we man them and stock spares and line replaceable units for use. We do a clean exchange when required,” Mr. Raju said. These attempts to stock the spares and supply them as quickly as possible has brought serviceability to “more than 65% to 70%”, he said.

To increase the delivery rate, the HAL recently set up a second assembly line in Kanpur, which is expected to produce 12 helicopters a year.

 

[#hydra#]

Soaring high: Over 200 Dhruv helicopters are being used by the Indian military.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...eign-market/article17668821.ece?homepage=true

In talks with Sri Lanka and Southeast Asian nations; emphasis on maintenance
As part of efforts to enhance defence cooperation and boost exports with friendly countries, India is in discussions with Sri Lanka and several Southeast Asian nations for the supply of Dhruv, the indigenously developed advanced light helicopter (ALH).

Supplying defence equipment and providing assistance in setting up domestic manufacturing capability have become the new normal in India’s defence cooperation with regional countries.

“There are queries … There is talk with Vietnam, Myanmar and Sri Lanka for ALH,” T. Suvarna Raju, Chief Managing Director of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), told The Hindu.

Another official said discussions with Indonesia were progressing well. Officials from India were expected to visit Jakarta in April.

This time, India is putting specific emphasis on maintenance and training in view of its experience of Dhruv sales to Ecuador, which got embroiled in legal issues.

Amid much fanfare in 2009, India bagged a deal to supply seven of these helicopters to Ecuador worth $45.2 million after defeating several global platforms. However, the euphoria was short-lived as four of them crashed. In October 2015, Ecuador unilaterally terminated the contract and in 2016, put the three helicopters on sale. Following this, HAL had moved a local court there. Of the four crashes, two had been attributed to pilot error and one to mechanical failure.

Availability of spares

Dhruv, designed and developed by the HAL, is powered by the Shakti engine jointly developed by it and Turbomeca of France. Over 200 helicopters are in service with the Indian military.

The three Services have constantly complained about lack of spares and support for the fleet. The situation has slightly improved in recent times.

“We have started mini maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facilities at forward bases where we man them and stock spares and line replaceable units for use. We do a clean exchange when required,” Mr. Raju said. These attempts to stock the spares and supply them as quickly as possible has brought serviceability to “more than 65% to 70%”, he said.

To increase the delivery rate, the HAL recently set up a second assembly line in Kanpur, which is expected to produce 12 helicopters a year.

Hope spare issues won't affect our future LCH fleets.