India-made Dhruv choppers restricted from flying in Equador after mishaps

[Abingdonboy]

The EAF's training standards need to be questioned. They have lost more than HALF of their ALH fleet and we know at least 2 of them were down to pilot error (no ruling in the others as of yet). Compared to the number of ALHs lost by the IAF/IA/IN/ICG/BSF/ONGC etc who operate the bird in the hundreds in high altitude areas too and one has to ask some very serious questions of the EAF.

The ALH has a commendable safety record in India and with the other foreign operators of the type.

 

[GR!FF!N]

well i didn't know the requirements.
just throwing out a helo that is cheap, rugged, and a lot of countries use

comparing a Single Engine Light helo with a dual engine medium weight helo isn't right...

about Dhruv,2 of their accident occurred due to Pilot Error.their first accident occurred when the pilot tried to make a low fly by and crashed.

its a good helo and is serving India real good.and there are a lot of things which Mi-17 isn't capable of.one of the important criteria was operating in high altitude areas.

even Equador was happy with these helos...

According to Barreiro, the quality of Dhruv is demonstrated "that these aircraft have flown over 2700 hours and several of its pilots are operating in an almost permanent, some are credited flight instructors and 1,000 flight hours, only in this equipment. "


Reply: At the request of John T. Cortez, president of Sumil CA, represented in Ecuador Hindustan Aeronautics

Let me address this communication to express my dissatisfaction and discomfort for the tip appeared in reference to comercio.com Dhruv helicopters, manufactured in India, that are being used with complete satisfaction by the sr. President of the Republic and Ecuador's Air Force.

The article mentions as an information base to have a news agency of Pakistan, a situation that in no way warrants the considerable base credible and true. On the other hand contains a series of false statements only intended to discredit an internationally renowned company and the Ecuadorian authorities.

I am surprised that a newspaper in the history of El Comercio newspaper can play without verification of any kind, baseless information, unsigned responsibility and who knows what purposes.

I have the conviction that behind this there is a purpose-driven shady people interested only in damage and discredit the good name of the company and its product HAL, the Dhruv helicopter, and institutions of the Ecuadorian state.

Very strongly request that you make room in your newspaper to this paper claims, and further requests the Government you start investigations to

clarify aspects of the case.

With the most compliments,

Dr. Juan Cortez T.
President SUMIL C.A.
Representative in Ecuador HINDUSTAN AERONAUTICS LTD.

this one was one of the major proof which was written against some Pakistani Newspaper wrote some garbage about Dhruv.but I agree with you on one point.on VVIP duties,one should never use Single Engine Helo.

 

[damiendehorn]

The EAF's training standards need to be questioned. They have lost more than HALF of their ALH fleet and we know at least 2 of them were down to pilot error (no ruling in the others as of yet). Compared to the number of ALHs lost by the IAF/IA/IN/ICG/BSF/ONGC etc who operate the bird in the hundreds in high altitude areas too and one has to ask some very serious questions of the EAF.

The ALH has a commendable safety record in India and with the other foreign operators of the type.

If the EAF training standards were poor, then it would effect all aircraft's not just the HAL built helicopters. Considering they have had very little problems with the bells and eurocopters, I doubt they are that bad. Or is it that indians refuse to believe their ALH could be at fault.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Or is it that indians refuse to believe their ALH could be at fault.

If the ALH was at fault wouldn't this have become apparent IN INDIA where there are hundreds of ALHs operated by numerous agencies/forces across a wide variety of domains? It truly does not make sense to blame the ALH at this stage.

If the EAF training standards were poor, then it would effect all aircraft's not just the HAL built helicopters. Considering they have had very little problems with the bells and eurocopters, I doubt they are that bad.

Well one would have to look at exactly how the EAF are employing the ALH and what SOPs they are following, as I've said, the Indian forces who are operating their ALHs in equally, if not more so, challenging environments than the EAF have not encountered anywhere near this appalling crash rate.

 

[Steakhouse]

Dang 4 choppers crashed in 5 yrs operation of the brand new 7 chopper bought in 2009. No shit send the remain choppers back and ask for a return.

 

[Koovie]

Dang 4 choppers crashed in 5 yrs operation of the brand new 7 chopper bought in 2009. No shit send the remain choppers back and ask for a return.

Another aviation expert here.

 

[Steakhouse]

Another aviation expert here.

Not an expert but over 50 percent of the choppers crashed in 5 yrs that indicated Equador got the flying junk.

 

[damiendehorn]

What ever the reason, this is bad PR for further sales abroad. It's not like HAL was ever any good at marketing its products, but this is not going to make it any easier to break into the arms export big league.

 

[Steakhouse]

What ever the reason, this is bad PR for further sales abroad. It's not like HAL was ever any good at marketing its products, but this is not going to make any easier to brak into the arms export big league.

You think any future customer will have any confident flying a choppers with a crashed record of over 50 percent of the choppers?

 

[Abingdonboy]

You think any future customer will have any confident flying a choppers with a crashed record of over 50 percent of the choppers?

The EAF's crash rate is not representative of the ALH fleet as a whole so has little baring.

What ever the reason, this is bad PR for further sales abroad. It's not like HAL was ever any good at marketing its products, but this is not going to make it any easier to break into the arms export big league.

It's not good in terms of PR but then this is isolated to one customer (Ecuador) elsewhere the ALH has a remarkable safety record and its performance speaks for itself. Any potential customer won't make such decisions based on media reports but will undertake through technical evaluations and here the ALH's capabilities speaks for itself.

Not an expert but over 50 percent of the choppers crashed in 5 yrs that indicated Equador got the flying junk.

You really aren't an expert are you? So has 50% of the ALH fleet worldwide crashed? Even 10%? Even 1%?

This indicates there's something wrong on the Ecuadorian side.

 

[Steakhouse]

The EAF's crash rate is not representative of the ALH fleet as a whole so has little baring.

It's not good in terms of PR but then this is isolated to one customer (Ecuador) elsewhere the ALH has a remarkable safety record and its performance speaks for itself. Any potential customer won't make such decisions based on media reports but will undertake through technical evaluations and here the ALH's capabilities speaks for itself.


You really aren't an expert are you? So has 50% of the ALH fleet worldwide crashed? Even 10%? Even 1%?

This indicates there's something wrong on the Ecuadorian side.

Ecuador only nation operate the choppers outside of India, 4 out of 7 crashed over 5 yrs period not the confident building for the foreign customer to purchase military weapons from India.

 

[Sugarcane]

gaya 45 million dollar khaday main

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Then you dont have any idea of its performance during Uttarakhand tragedy or its recent performance during the Kashmir floods and how many sortie its done under extreme conditions.

an un-armed helicopter doing a 'sortie'

you may want to revisit the meaning of the term

 

[Abingdonboy]

Ecuador only nation operate the choppers outside of India

Utter nonsense. Nepal, Mauritius , Israel, Surniame and the Maldives all operate the ALH.

Even if this was true (it's not) that Ecuador was the only nation to operate the ALH outside of India it would still not explain why India was able to have such an impressive and near faultless experience with the ALH and in such stark contrast with the EAF. Outside of India (who fly the ALH in the hundreds of a/c) not one ALH has gone down.

an un-armed helicopter doing a 'sortie'

you may want to revisit the meaning of the term

Sir what do you think a sortie means? It has nothing to do with being armed or not. A sortie is simply a specific mission.

 

[Steakhouse]

Utter nonsense. Nepal, Mauritius , Israel, Surniame and the Maldives all operate the ALH.

Even if this was true (it's not) that Ecuador was the only nation to operate the ALH outside of India it would still not explain why India was able to have such an impressive and near faultless experience with the ALH and in such stark contrast with the EAF. Outside of India (who fly the ALH in the hundreds of a/c) not one ALH has gone down.

Most of other nations operate India choppers on the donation as gift not the customer per say. Any foreign customer will look to purchase weapons from the west, US, Russia then China because of reliability of the system.