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India likely to order 106 more Pilatus aircraft to train pilots


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NEW DELHI: India is likely to go in for 106 more Swiss Pilatus PC-7 basic trainer aircraft (BTA), the bulk of which will be produced domestically, to help train rookie IAF pilots in a project worth around Rs 7,000 crore.


This comes after defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics' attempt to develop its own BTA called HTT-40 failed to pass muster with the defence ministry. First, it would have been much more expensive than the Pilatus BTA already being inducted by IAF. Second, it would have not met the timelines specified long ago.

So, the defence acquisitions council (DAC) is slated to consider the case for 106 additional Pilatus at the meeting to be chaired by Manohar Parrikar on Saturday, say sources.

One option is to buy 38 Pilatus off-the-shelf, with the rest 68 being produced by the 5 Base Repair Depot (BRD) of IAF at Sulur. Other options could include importing only 10 BTA, with 96 being made in India.

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It was in September 2009 that the DAC had approved the urgent purchase of 75 BTA from the global market, while 106 BTA were to be made in India to meet the overall requirement for 181 such planes. Finally, after a global competition, India inked the Rs 2,896 crore deal for 75 Pilatus BTA in May 2012. IAF has inducted 53 of them till now.

IAF had then also strongly objected to HAL's push for its still-to-developed HTT-40 on the ground that two types of BTA would be both "illogical" and "exorbitant" in terms of duplication in spares, maintenance, infrastructure and the like.

It's a no-brainer that fighter pilots have to be properly trained to handle highly-demanding supersonic jets that necessarily have to undertake inherently dangerous combat maneuvres. Similar is true for helicopter and aircraft pilots.

"Human error (aircrew)" has been the reason for over 39% of the around 1,100 crashes recorded by IAF since 1970. The other equally big killer is "technical defects" caused by ageing machines and shoddy maintenance.

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Indian Air Force pilots march past a Pilatus PC-7 aircraft during an induction ceremony at the Indian Air Force Academy at Dundigal, near Hyderabad, on May 31, 2013. (Getty Images file photo)

It took India 20 years to ink the first contract for 66 twin-seat Hawk advanced jet trainers (AJTs) in March 2004 — now used to train pilots in the intricacies of combat flying — despite losing hundreds of fighters and pilots in crashes. Another 57 Hawks were then ordered in July 2010, taking the total project cost to around Rs 16,000 crore,

The induction of Pilatus, in turn, was urgent since IAF training schedules for raw cadets had gone haywire after the entire fleet of the 114 old piston-engine HPT-32 aircraft, which long served as the BTA, was grounded in August 2009 after a crash killed the pilot.

The intermediate training for fighter pilots between the Pilatus and Hawk stages, however, still remains a big problem. HAL is yet to deliver on its Sitara intermediate jet trainer (IJT) despite a delay of 15 years.
India likely to order 106 more Pilatus aircraft to train pilots - The Times of India
 
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In this picture not one pilot is synchronised. Every pilot in the picture is lost, hands in all places, no pilot matches other in the march. Looks all badly trained Indian pilots.

Don't draw conclusions based on the way they are parading. Their job is to fly and anywhere in the world, you would wish your combat/fighter pilots to be champions in the air, even if their "skills" on the ground leave something to be desired.
Agree:-)?
 
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Don't draw conclusions based on the way they are parading. Their job is to fly and anywhere in the world, you would wish your combat/fighter pilots to be champions in the air, even if their "skills" on the ground leave something to be desired.
Agree:-)?


A picture speaks a thousand words.

If there is dis-unity / mismatch on ground, which u donot deny, what makes u think indian pilots be any good on air >

Indian pilots on air has a record of most air crashes in air.

No synchronisation in parade:

https://defence.pk/attachments/45225080-jpg.154768/
 
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A picture speaks a thousand words.

If there is dis-unity / mismatch on ground, which u donot deny, what makes u think indian pilots be any good on air >

Indian pilots on air has a record of most air crashes in air.

No synchronisation in parade:

https://defence.pk/attachments/45225080-jpg.154768/
A picture speaks a thousand words.

If there is dis-unity / mismatch on ground, which u donot deny, what makes u think indian pilots be any good on air >

Indian pilots on air has a record of most air crashes in air.

No synchronisation in parade:

https://defence.pk/attachments/45225080-jpg.154768/
Yeah the martian trained pakistani pilots,who crash land on a bus stop.Sorry to burst your bubble but crashes in PAF is a severe problem considering Pakistan has very less fighter aircrafts and flies very less as compared to India.
 
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@Brahma Bull @anant_s stop replying to the chap and letting him take you off topic.

Good step to increase aircraft. Does this mean more time on the BTA or increased intake of pilots?

The Sitara needs to really complete its FoC and the promised 85 planes should come into production to replace the Kirans asap.
 
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Yeah the martian trained pakistani pilots,who crash land on a bus stop.Sorry to burst your bubble but crashes in PAF is a severe problem considering Pakistan has very less fighter aircrafts and flies very less as compared to India.


LoL and your insecurity comes out wide open, Where are we talking about PAF here. And certainly PAF doesnot have enough crashes even though it flies 60+ years old Mirages or F7s around western border commitments 24/7.

Can u imagine only one PAF F-16 crash in almost 30 years. The only last F-16 lost by the PAF was back in 1994, in the vicinity of Sargodha.

PAF have excellent flight safety record for the F-16 aircraft and has been rewarded by Lockheed Martin for this.
 
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last nail in local program coffin

Local Program is to develop an intermediate class of Trainers. India currently has Basic and Advanced. Local industry still has a chance if they act fast.
 
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LoL and your insecurity comes out wide open, Where are we talking about PAF here. And certainly PAF doesnot have enough crashes even though it flies 60+ years old Mirages or F7s around western border commitments 24/7.

Can u imagine only one PAF F-16 crash in almost 30 years. The only last F-16 lost by the PAF was back in 1994, in the vicinity of Sargodha.

PAF have excellent flight safety record for the F-16 aircraft and has been rewarded by Lockheed Martin for this.
Your AF has an over all record of 9 F-16 crashes including one "alleged" fratricide in the the last 30 years where as the IAF has a record of 10 Mirage-2000 crashes on the same period.So when it comes to using western Fighter aircraft both the air forces have got pretty much the same record(both these aircraft have been operational since early 80s).The crash rate of the IAF id high because they are operating Soviet built aircraft which are well past their service age and still our pilots are pushing them to their limits by flying more than 250 hours in a Mig-21.So crashes happen now and then.But we also have to acknowledge the fact that the an average IAF pilot clocks way more flying hours than his PAF counterpart.The overall crash rate of the IAF per 100,000 flights is around 4-6 that too after operating nearly 400 obsolete aircraft which is quite similar to any other leading air forces.So the myth that a PAF pilot is superior to his IAF counterpart in terms of training is simply a myth and nothing else.Simply put the IAF has got much larger budget than the PAF and larger budget obviously means better training.
 
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In this picture not one pilot is synchronised. Every pilot in the picture is lost, hands in all places, no pilot matches other in the march. Looks all badly trained Indian pilots.

They do not have marching drills at all. Thats why there is no cohesion.

And besides, Indian Army regiments have some of the most precise marching orders in the world...
 
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