India left "disappointed" as US goes ahead with F-16 sale to Pakistan.

[Windjammer]

I understand that most if not all are the ''D'' versions, which ideally serve the purpose of training and wild weasel type role.

 

[Vapnope]

I will bet that within or at the end of the two year period these F-16s are delivered, the PAF will order additional new-built F-16s. It'll either be through multiple incremental orders or through one final big batch.

Any chances of US selling us F-16 V ?

 

[Quwa]

In one of your article it was written that JF17 could get Italian avionics which would be great & an achievement for Pakistan. Lets see what happens.

As far as Griphens are concerned, I said it because I believe we will not get any more F16's in the future, but if that is not a concern then US restriction on usage of F16's & then spare parts are serious issues. So what I want to say is Pakistan should try to explore new options & Pakistan should end F16 fever once & for all.

It's a sensible ask, but a tough one. At the end of the day the PAF, like any massive organization, has its inherent inertia. The F-16 is a mature and capable platform, and the PAF has the necessary infrastructure to smoothly induct new aircraft of the model. Is it politically 'safe?' Nope, but the PAF knows the devil that is the U.S., what can it say about Russia? Europe? The PAF at least has an idea of how to get around U.S. sanctions (it has dealt with them on multiple occassions), but Russia? Where will it start?

I don't think new platforms such as the Su-35 are out of the question, but it will be some time before the PAF feels comfortable enough to take such a risk (assuming Russia is also on board).

 

[cerberus]

ith the way the MMRCA deal blowing hot and cold....one shouldn't wash the soap before hands......

Different Govt Different Policy
this GOI Cleared Major Defense Deals within 1 year of coming to power. Deals Like Chinooks and Apache,Howitzer,Rafale etc
Private Firms Like TATA,Mahindra relaince Signing JV with Boeing,Airbus other copare Giants India
Govt Shifted its DPP And Merged US-India Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) for Future Procurement's Like Emails and F-18 or f-35 for IAC

PS: Can Debate more but i don't want turn From Core Issues of the Thread.we will Debate later

Any ways Now 8 JHMCS will be part of this Deal Any News About Hobs Missile, Is PAF going For Aim-9x or Any other counter Part

 

[Quwa]

Any chances of US selling us F-16 V ?

I don't know. It's possible the PAF might acquire the update kit 5-10 years from now.

 

[Windjammer]

Some detail of the Package.

-Eight (8) F-16 Block 52 aircraft (two (2) C and six (6) D models), with the F100-PW-229 increased performance engine
.
-Fourteen (14) Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
.
-eight (8) AN/APG-68(V)9 radars,
.
-(8) ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDEWS).
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-Additionally, this possible sale includes spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistical and program support.
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-The estimated cost of MDE is $564.68 million. The total estimated cost is $699.04 million.

 

[cirr]

what are the specifics of the sale

does it includes more MLU kits or option for 10 more etc.?

~87 million usd per plane is bit too much.

India is paying over 12 billion USD for 36 Rafales。

 

[cerberus]

Some detail of the Package.

-Eight (8) F-16 Block 52 aircraft (two (2) C and six (6) D models), with the F100-PW-229 increased performance engine
.
-Fourteen (14) Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
.
-eight (8) AN/APG-68(V)9 radars,
.
-(8) ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDEWS).
.
-Additionally, this possible sale includes spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistical and program support.
.
-The estimated cost of MDE is $564.68 million. The total estimated cost is $699.04 million.

Any ways Now 14 JHMCS will be part of this Deal Any News About Hobs Missile, Is PAF going For Aim-9x or Any other counter Part

 

[ssethii]

Reason why we should just be mere business partners with US. Nothing more.

Also keep out of SCS if we are taking sides with US.
Cooperate with each party involved in SCS and work to improve bilateral ties with China.



Exactly, we deserved this. We should learn from the past and work for only India's agenda, not for that of US.

Time for India to look to resolve everything with China and improve trade.

All roads to China lead through Pakistan, if you know what I mean.

 

[cerberus]

India is paying over 12 billion USD for 36 Rafales

Sir Update French Down there Price to 8.8 Billion $
India, France set to close Rafale deal at lower price of Rs 60,000 cr | india | Hindustan Times

 

[Windjammer]

Any ways Now 14 JHMCS will be part of this Deal Any News About Hobs Missile, Is PAF going For Aim-9x or Any other counter Part

Weapon details are seldom released and we may never know until the package is delivered.....even now there are certain weapons in the PAF arsenal which aren't officially disclosed.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

All roads to China lead through Pakistan, if you know what I mean.

Till now we have a pretty healthy economic relationship with China, actually its bigger than the Chinese investment in Pakistan , does it concern Pakistan in any way.

We look to emulate the success of China here, and we admire their success too, and it has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Your so called Birader mulks have very healthy economic relations with India, does it require a Pakistani signature to proceed? No

Weapon details are seldom released and we may never know until the package is delivered.....even now there are certain weapons in the PAF arsenal which aren't officially disclosed.

And AESA too?

 

[Areesh]

these guys are unbelievable
they are banking on their rants and bribes to change US decision. just goes to show the obsession against Pakistan although we are normally told they dont care about us.


8 or 80 F-16s..WTF they think they are? through paying some senators they think they can drive US foreign policy.

Indian government is bitching on Twitter too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/698315845013889024

Supa Puwa India also summons US ambassador to protest this sale.

https://twitter.com/x/status/698369593140576256

 

[Tipu7]

even now there are certain weapons in the PAF arsenal which aren't officially disclosed.

For example? Hints?

 

[New Resolve]

Good move by the americans, keeps the defence relationship going, the sanctions in the 90's didnt help either side
The fight against terrorism is in everyone's interest and the F16's are doing a tremendous job in wiping out their sanctuaries.


Yaar yeh indians to rona shuru ho gaye becharay. We will invite Modi to take a selfie with F16,
Achay buchay rona band kar dein abb shabaash.