India lags behind Pakistan in missiles

[Proud2Indian]

I doubt it. You know Leveno bought IBM Desktop and Laptop section in 2006. It is a very good hardware believe me. and they are not behind the Acer. in fact acer is nothing in front of them. How many times I tell you that, He made in USA not in India. OK.

Now, we come to here all the motherboards, Intel or AMD processors, Memory etc we buy in UK are made in Chine. and Designing motherboard and memory of a Desktop is different and designing for the Servers are different. Do you know. Intel made special processors for DELL, HP and Apple. Chinese are capable of making all these things even American F-15 aircraft radars are using Chinese Processor.

Can you pls prvd link for F15 using chinese designed chip...i doubt it very much...just because of security reason....can u care to explain how the memory modules of Server & desktop differs....as max desktop stuff is same used prev at servers...for lenovo don't take my world go ahed and search...

And I am saying he is product of Indian Education System. Simple. U just go in US and become engineer overnight.

And yes sire, all thing U buy is made in China but as I said earlier......desined in India and for spl Intel chips and I will not be surprised if work of designing is done in India. And why you are talking abt China. Which country are you advocating here..funny

 

[Proud2Indian]

nyway...i think we are hijacking the thread....lets return to the topic at hand and take our chat offline

 

[paritosh]

India made Eka Super computer . It is a cluster and each computer of this cluster is made by HP.
model of each node = HP Cluster Platform 3000BL.

each node is runnig on Intel XEON 3GHz processor. How do you claim that it is made by India. And secondly making a cluster is dead easy. I can make it. I even made it my home using 4 computers.

None of your super computers are made by your self. one is made by IBM and all others are made by HP.

and you are saying it is 4th fastest computer. very old news. it is now on rank 13. and the top500 super computer list is updated on November 2008. and you are telling us on Feb 2009 that it is ranked Forth in the world. .
i am giving you the link below.

Don't lie all the time.

dude...your knowledge is half-baked!
do you even know why a supercomputer is a supercomputer?
the cores are for commercial applications...for all...the chinese supercomputer which is the 10th or the 12th fastest supercomputer....the Dawning...is based on AMD processors...and is a cluster
Clustering can provide significant performance benefits versus price. The System X supercomputer at Virginia Tech, the 28th most powerful supercomputer on Earth, is a 12.25 TFlops computer cluster of 1100 Apple XServe G5 2.3 GHz dual-processor machines (4 GB RAM, 80 GB SATA HD) running Mac OS X and using InfiniBand interconnect. The cluster initially consisted of Power Mac G5s; the rack-mountable XServes are denser than desktop Macs, reducing the aggregate size of the cluster. The total cost of the previous Power Mac system was $5.2 million, a tenth of the cost of slower mainframe computer supercomputers. (The Power Mac G5s were sold off.)

The central concept of a Beowulf cluster is the use of commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) computers to produce a cost-effective alternative to a traditional supercomputer. One project that took this to an extreme was the Stone Soupercomputer.

However it is worth noting that FLOPs (floating point operations per second), aren't always the best metric for supercomputer speed. Clusters can have very high FLOPs, but they cannot access all data the cluster as a whole has at once. Therefore clusters are excellent for parallel computation, but much poorer than traditional supercomputers at non-parallel computation.
in short...
the ARCHITECTURE is What makes a supercomputer a supercomputer!
well india is not known for the hardware industry that we have...our softwares are world class...and so are our architecture capabilities...we manufactured a superrcomputer to suit our needs....and if it were just cores and operating systems that resulted in a supercomputer...then surely 8 indian supercomputer's in the world's top 500 supercomputers list would have been listed as american supercomputers..or not listed at all.
and if by picking off-shelf hardware and asenbling them components into a supercomputer of T-FLOP capability isso simple...then why is our great neighbor lagging in this venture?it is easy to shoot from the mouth.

here are some links you'd like to go through...
8 Indian supercomputers are in top 500 lists | Tech Productivity

i wonder why BBC callls EKA an indian supercomputer...
BBC NEWS | Technology | India enters supercomputing race

it's funny that the EKA is called a TATA computer and not an IBM one...
India supercomputer makes top-10 'most powerful' list

dont downplay the capability of a cluster supercomputer...for whoever you claim to be...if you have studied Microprocessors anytime in your life...you'd not speak shallow about the role of the architecture...it is THE MOST mind-boggling aspect of creating a computing machine of sorts.
and learn about the chineses supercomputing capabilities as well...there supercomputers are also cluster supercomputer using amercian hardaware components.

 

[paritosh]

this guy is behind the TATA supercomputer....
his credentials speak volumes...
Narendra Karmarkar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[paritosh]

pakistan will have the clusters. if you see the chinese. they started make their supper computers on Lenovo and Dawning. They have their own servers using AMD and Intel processors. Processor is a crucial part but ther are other parts in a Computer. Motherboard, Memory, Hard Disk etc. Chinese are capable of making all these things. Have you seen Laveno Computer. Its quality is far more better then HP.
you see you just connected the HP servers in a cluster but did not made HP servers. Chinese made the servers their own.

links.
i know they are developing one...but that is with french assistance...the Loongson is i believe what it's called.

 

[paritosh]

I believe their all defence programs are well behind from Pakistan and China.

our defence programs are behind pakistan?i can write volumes about this one...but i'd ask you to elaborate to save the trouble...(cus this is the one thing we have benn discussing on this forum for ages!)
but before you start pushing strong claims my way....i'd ask you to go to your government's ordinance/ammunition/weapons site on the internet...and have a look at the products on display...and then go to the indian ordinance factory site and do the saem...make a list of the products that you fail to find in you site...and then talk about it here.

In UK india only exports clothes, which is very cheap and low quality on other hands pakistani shirt starts from £40. Pakistani clothes have very good quality. chinese clothes are cheaper and low quality and they also sell very high quality.

do you live in the UK?
Textile News - India : Indian textile exports making greater inroad into the EU market.

I havn't seen any electronics or mechanical thing, which is made in india. but chinese are making every thing. and they have quality as well. My Apple MacBook is designed in California but it is assembled in China.

everything is assembled in china!
everything in india is also assembled in china!
Taiwan and china and the ASEAN countries are pioneers of computer harware manufacturing...china to a lesser extent as the goods that you are writing of are patented by their respective companies...and the chinese benefit only in employment from them.
india is famous for the IT services and the automobile industry as well as steel manufacturing.

 

[Arsalan]

the topic of this thread is

India lags behind Pakistan in missiles

it is nothing like

indain super computers fellows!!!

 

[spsk]

the topic of this thread is

India lags behind Pakistan in missiles

it is nothing like

indain super computers fellows!!!

Super computers are very much important in missile/nuclear/space program.

 

[ihero06]

You know who invented Liquid Crystals. which brought revolution to the electronic display. A Pakistani. He is my Father and he invented in a Company in UK.
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I read this bizarre information. Dude, I hope you know what is meaning of invention. I know only one Pakistani Nobel Prize winner. That is Abdus Salam who got booted by his country of birth because of his faith. Anyway, dude mwalam, if your father would have invented Liquid Crystals then he would have been a nobel prize winner. Check who got the nobel prize for liquid crystal related research. Even Prof. de Gennes was not considered to be the inventor of liquid crystals. For your kind knowledge, the first person who noticed the liquid crystal effect was in 1850. I guess your father was not born at that time. And liquid crystal phenomena is a great physical property.

Don't tell lie dude. If you do not know, ask. I am surprised, living in UK, being the son of an "inventor" has a bad English usage. Your father may be a scientist, might have discovered a new type of liquid crystal, but I guess you are a disgrace to him.

Sorry moderators. My words are bit harsh and away from the topic. But I want to stress here, please don't allow lies in this forum. Especially on scientific discoveries and inventions. For those people who spend their entire life on discoveries and inventions that help the mankind they need more respect. And Prof. Pierre-Gilles de Gennes just did that in his entire career.

 

[Luftwaffe]

ihero06 boy bill gates is the man behind windows that ur using i'm using and 90% of the world is using i don't see no noble prize for him??just to clear up a point regarding invention and noble prize winning.

 

[mughaljee]

Fellows,
Have we super computer ?

 

[Moscow]

i just do not understand how does a country lag behind in missile systems when it can launch its own satellites into space most recent april 21st.?
does pakistan even have the ability to launch such systems and most educated members will agree that space programs and advanced missile program are based on the same parameters.
a country that can produce a supersonic missile and demonstrate it infront of the world create its own missile defence system<aad/pad>< even acknowledged by lockheed martin who is willing to integrate its ageis technology into the pad system for india>

please there is no need for a india bashing just for the sake of it we can have constructive missile system discussion the technologies involved i know pdf think tank shehbazi is a great help in understanding some technical parameters he can shed some more light if members request him, kindly

 

[RULER]

the topic of this thread is

India lags behind Pakistan in missiles

it is nothing like

indain super computers fellows!!!

never mind you lag behind in understanding.

 

[zraver]

Can I state the obvious, who cares about advanced cruise and ballistic missiles when your being over run by militants with AK's and RPG's.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Can I state the obvious, who cares about advanced cruise and ballistic missiles when your being over run by militants with AK's and RPG's.

Can't let life stop because of the militants either you know.