India is unable to fight a two front war with Pakistan and China

[Shinigami]

Rude.

Though I'm surprised that you are saying the Indian Army is wrong, how can an internet fanboy know more than their own Army?
Basically you are insulting your own Army.

where was i ever rude to you? i was talking about myself.

do you know what i would do in a discussion that i know nothing about about? i would shut the f&*% up

and that is inspite of you saying stuff like

We don't even need to leave our borders to fight you, we can sit happily on the high ground of the Tibetan plateau and rain down rocket artillery (with a range of 350-400 km) at will on your capital city New Delhi, which is only 300 km from the border.

you being an "analyst think tank" here speaks a lot about the quality of this "defence forum". if this was an economy forum, i wouldn't complain.

Though I'm surprised that you are saying the Indian Army is wrong, how can an internet fanboy know more than their own Army?

i already talked about this:

you have been in this website for years now and have no clue how the indian military works do you? in a democracy, the military uses the media for "scare tactics" to extract money from the politicians.

and

...remember, we are talking about one military that was compared to the nazi war machine and another whose best contribution to modern warfare is the human wave tactic

Some people just can't argue

people who dont think china is this great awesome country are the ones who cant argue?
your countrymen are mostly morons who know nada at best about warfare and they go strutting about like peacocks. and when someone who does know about this stuff challenges them, instead of discussing the topic logically, they run away like rats. its irritating

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

people who dont think china is this great awesome country are the ones who cant argue?
your countrymen are mostly morons who know nada at best about warfare and they go strutting about like peacocks. and when someone who does know about this stuff challenges them, instead of discussing the topic logically, they run away like rats. its irritating

Lol you couldn't counter CD's arguement that PLA can rain New Delhi with over 300 km rockets, instead you went bezerk...LMAO

 

[Shinigami]

Lol you couldn't counter CD's arguement that PLA can rain New Delhi with over 300 km rockets, instead you went bezerk...LMAO

its a shame that a "senior member" is asking this

now read what he wrote:

We don't even need to leave our borders to fight you, we can sit happily on the high ground of the Tibetan plateau and rain down rocket artillery (with a range of 350-400 km) at will on your capital city New Delhi, which is only 300 km from the border.

think. what could possibly be wrong with this argument? you may need to use all your knowledge about military to answer this one
let me give you a hint. PLA will never do this

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

its a shame that a "senior member" is asking this

now read what he wrote:


think. what could possibly be wrong with this argument? you may need to use all your knowledge about military to answer this one. let me give you a hint. PLA will never do this

Lol here is military forum, we dont represent the government nor army chief, PLA might not do this doesn't mean that is technically impossible to do.

 

[Shinigami]

Lol here is military forum, we dont represent the government nor army chief, PLA might not do this doesn't mean that is technically impossible to do.

just because you wont jump in front front of a train does not mean its technically impossible to do.
think man

 

[boke]

我想印度承受不起再来一次的中印战争，实际上印度因为攫取不属于自己的领地而付出的代价已经十分昂贵了，但是极端民族主义的战车已经把印度太多捆绑在一起，想停都困难，这种情况下我认为中、印、巴任何一方追求战争都是不太明智的，这样下去就是个恶性循环。就中国来说，该收回来的一定要回来，但不一定通过战争。巴基斯坦是中国最忠实的朋友，相信巴基斯坦能够解决好这次边境冲突，维护好国家利益是理所应当的，如果需要帮助，我们是朋友！

 

[Shinigami]

We have land access to the Indian ocean through Pakistan.Unless you take Pakistan kashmir back , you don't have land access to Afganistan for oil from Iran, means you are vulnerable on the high sea. I think China shall deploy several the most advanced 041 AIP sub in Karachi to keep India at bay.

another ignorant one
since you are not a common chinse troll, i will tell you why using pakistan as a base for chinese subs bad idea.

1.territory. you are operating in arabian sea, an area IN knows like the back of its hand.
2.enemy. you are talking about IN, which has hunted (and taken down) american made subs(known to be very quiet)
3.logistics. all the facilities and parts for repair and maintenance will have to be moved 1000s of miles to pakistan, costing billions
4.diplomacy. relations with india are adversarial at worst
5.priority. you have japan and US to worry about

oh yeah...and india has access to central asia through iranian port of chabhahar. please keep up

 

[SrNair]

Do you think you know better than your own Army?

We don't even need to leave our borders to fight you, we can sit happily on the high ground of the Tibetan plateau and rain down rocket artillery (with a range of 350-400 km) at will on your capital city New Delhi, which is only 300 km from the border.

And our infrastructure on the border is far superior, we can achieve force concentrations multiple times yours at any point along the LAC, with overwhelming numbers and weapons platforms that India cannot possibly hope to match.

We can finish it without Pakistan, but no doubt they will take our offer this time, to come in after the fighting is over.

You can say it easily.But in reality things would be much different. Army officers know more about our Army than any one in this PDF.And I know how they used media for extracting money from the ministry .
Only nation in this that can defeat Indian forces huge damage without a massive counter conventional attack is US Armed Forces.
Chinese need a long way to go to reach such a level.But we are not sitting here ideally.We will also arm our forces.


China won 1962 only because of numerical superiority and we had less than 12000 troops and WW2 weapons.
But dont try to measure India with that bench mark ,not again.A war with India andChina is just only useful for destruction of both nations.No more no less.
Artillery attack on our capital would spiral things quite easily.

We need to keep a close eye on Modi, he is not well defined yet.


We have land access to the Indian ocean through Pakistan.Unless you take Pakistan kashmir back , you don't have land access to Afganistan for oil from Iran, means you are vulnerable on the high sea. I think China shall deploy several the most advanced 041 AIP sub in Karachi to keep India at bay.

Ha Ha.then what we have Plan B to counter such threat.
We will have our AIP and Arihant at SCS at that time.

 

[Mercenary]

You can say it easily.But in reality things would be much different. Army officers know more about our Army than any one in this PDF.And I know how they used media for extracting money from the ministry .
Only nation in this that can defeat Indian forces huge damage without a massive counter conventional attack is US Armed Forces.
Chinese need a long way to go to reach such a level.But we are not sitting here ideally.We will also arm our forces.


China won 1962 only because of numerical superiority and we had less than 12000 troops and WW2 weapons.
But dont try to measure India with that bench mark ,not again.A war with India andChina is just only useful for destruction of both nations.No more no less.
Artillery attack on our capital would spiral things quite easily.




Ha Ha.then what we have Plan B to counter such threat.
We will have our AIP and Arihant at SCS at that time.

What do you mean only USA can defeat the Indian Armed forces?

Chinese forces will devastate the Indian Military. I say if China attacks with its full might, Indian Forces will crumble in less than a week.

The Chinese Offensive will proceed as such:
1 - Chinese Subs will mine and torpedo large numbers of Indian War ships which will completely paralyze the Indian Navy.
2 - Then Chinese Artillery, Rocket Systems, MLRS, will pound all Indian frontline troops while Chinese missiles deliver a devastating blow hitting every single airfield, barracks, communication, depot, weapon installations within India.
3 - Then Chinese Air Force will develop a localized air superiority over the battle area. Indian Air Force will try to retaliate but will prove no match for the numerical superior and qualitative Chinese Air Force.
4 - Depending on what the objective is, large scale Chinese Forces will pour over the border. Indian Front line troops will be annihilated, while second and third line Indian troops with their heavy weaponry will engage the Chinese in a large scale battle of attrition. But lacking air superiority and superior chinese ability to fight a war of manouver. These will ultimately prove fruitless. These forces will either be bypassed, or destroyed in counter batteries.
5 - With the front collapsing, India will sue for peace and the Chinese will have conquered a large part of the India.

India is no match for China.

 

[Shinigami]

What do you mean only USA can defeat the Indian Armed forces?

Chinese forces will devastate the Indian Military. I say if China attacks with its full might, Indian Forces will crumble in less than a week.

The Chinese Offensive will proceed as such:
1 - Chinese Subs will mine and torpedo large numbers of Indian War ships which will completely paralyze the Indian Navy.
2 - Then Chinese Artillery, Rocket Systems, MLRS, will pound all Indian frontline troops while Chinese missiles deliver a devastating blow hitting every single airfield, barracks, communication, depot, weapon installations within India.
3 - Then Chinese Air Force will develop a localized air superiority over the battle area. Indian Air Force will try to retaliate but will prove no match for the numerical superior and qualitative Chinese Air Force.
4 - Depending on what the objective is, large scale Chinese Forces will pour over the border. Indian Front line troops will be annihilated, while second and third line Indian troops with their heavy weaponry will engage the Chinese in a large scale battle of attrition. But lacking air superiority and superior chinese ability to fight a war of manouver. These will ultimately prove fruitless. These forces will either be bypassed, or destroyed in counter batteries.
5 - With the front collapsing, India will sue for peace and the Chinese will have conquered a large part of the India.

India is no match for China.

you may need this

you would think that paks would have a healthy respect for the indian military. but common sense is too much to ask for

 

[Steakhouse]

India capable defeating China military, Indian army would have fired at the Chinese army incursion into dispute territory, Indian readily shot at Pakistan army when there a perception the LOC been violated. Indication Indian army incline to use force against lesser foe.

 

[Shinigami]

India capable defeating China military, Indian army would have fired at the Chinese army incursion into dispute territory, Indian readily shot at Pakistan army when there a perception the LOC been violated. Indication Indian army incline to use force against lesser foe.

wrong. india has a tit for tat response. pakistanis started shelling, india responded. if china starts shelling. india will respond in kind. but the indo-chinese border has not seen a bullet fly for about 3 decades

 

[SrNair]

What do you mean only USA can defeat the Indian Armed forces?

Chinese forces will devastate the Indian Military. I say if China attacks with its full might, Indian Forces will crumble in less than a week.

The Chinese Offensive will proceed as such:
1 - Chinese Subs will mine and torpedo large numbers of Indian War ships which will completely paralyze the Indian Navy.
2 - Then Chinese Artillery, Rocket Systems, MLRS, will pound all Indian frontline troops while Chinese missiles deliver a devastating blow hitting every single airfield, barracks, communication, depot, weapon installations within India.
3 - Then Chinese Air Force will develop a localized air superiority over the battle area. Indian Air Force will try to retaliate but will prove no match for the numerical superior and qualitative Chinese Air Force.
4 - Depending on what the objective is, large scale Chinese Forces will pour over the border. Indian Front line troops will be annihilated, while second and third line Indian troops with their heavy weaponry will engage the Chinese in a large scale battle of attrition. But lacking air superiority and superior chinese ability to fight a war of manouver. These will ultimately prove fruitless. These forces will either be bypassed, or destroyed in counter batteries.
5 - With the front collapsing, India will sue for peace and the Chinese will have conquered a large part of the India.

India is no match for China.

@Mercenary .
Very nice You have a promising career in hollywood .
Chinese build rail system in Tibet for the rapid movement of their troops.
India parked Su-30MKI in NE sector and job done.And now they are pursuing for road network.
China cant use their full might against India.Because such a response would also invite same response from India and result will be the dragging of both China and India in to several decades backward.
1.You are talking about India Navy.Chinese one and only advantage is their sub.Except nuke sub and AIP majority of diesel subs of Chinese are not a challenge against India.
PN knows IN better than anyother Navy.Chinese Navy is still SCS centric they cant project their power towards IOR .Our A&N would be enough for Chinese surface fleet ,forget about our CBGs.
2.Have you hard about Brahmos block 3?India developed that advanced tech for these things you mentioned plus Nirbhay.Their artillery would perish there.
3.Quantitative I agree but not qualitative.
Our NE sector is secured by most advanced system.The terrain of NE is best for camouflage.PLAAF stiill dont have anything for defeat it.Plus resistance of IAF.You can understand it.
4.Have you heard about two new mountain divisions in the NE ?Have you heard about its air support comprising Apache and LCH?Armaments are not applicable in Himalayan terrain.Now quantity of our troops can be equal to Chinese troops if we want.
5.Attacking India in our turf is like the jumping of Chinese troops in to meat grinder.1962 is long gone.Both will suffered huge damage this time.Plus China entire machinery is running because of Malacca Strait.You know what we can do there.

And you dont even count the possibility of our deal with Japan and US.

We know how to play games .CCP also know that.That is why they are dealing with India very careful.

 

[Mercenary]

@Mercenary .
Very nice You have a promising career in hollywood .
Chinese build rail system in Tibet for the rapid movement of their troops.
India parked Su-30MKI in NE sector and job done.And now they are pursuing for road network.
China cant use their full might against India.Because such a response would also invite same response from India and result will be the dragging of both China and India in to several decades backward.
1.You are talking about India Navy.Chinese one and only advantage is their sub.Except nuke sub and AIP majority of diesel subs of Chinese are not a challenge against India.
PN knows IN better than anyother Navy.Chinese Navy is still SCS centric they cant project their power towards IOR .Our A&N would be enough for Chinese surface fleet ,forget about our CBGs.
2.Have you hard about Brahmos block 3?India developed that advanced tech for these things you mentioned plus Nirbhay.Their artillery would perish there.
3.Quantitative I agree but not qualitative.
Our NE sector is secured by most advanced system.The terrain of NE is best for camouflage.PLAAF stiill dont have anything for defeat it.Plus resistance of IAF.You can understand it.
4.Have you heard about two new mountain divisions in the NE ?Have you heard about its air support comprising Apache and LCH?Armaments are not applicable in Himalayan terrain.Now quantity of our troops can be equal to Chinese troops if we want.
5.Attacking India in our turf is like the jumping of Chinese troops in to meat grinder.1962 is long gone.Both will suffered huge damage this time.Plus China entire machinery is running because of Malacca Strait.You know what we can do there.

And you dont even count the possibility of our deal with Japan and US.

We know how to play games .CCP also know that.That is why they are dealing with India very careful.

China has a string of pearls all around India. India's Navy won't even make it to the Straits of Malacca before being sunk completely.

Man you Indians keep talking a lot of Brahmos. How exactly is it a game changer? If it was Russia would be buying it in the thousands, USA and NATO would be developing counter measures. The fact is that Brahmos is not a game changer and nor is it a major conventional threat to anyone. If it was China would be rapidly developing counter measures.

China has powerful forces deployed on the border with India. Apache Gunships cannot be able to fly over the Himilayas to engage Chinese Forces.

China has a vast resevior of trained forces and people in China take pride in serving in their armed forces where as its the opposite in India.

 

[SrNair]

China has a string of pearls all around India. India's Navy won't even make it to the Straits of Malacca before being sunk completely.

Man you Indians keep talking a lot of Brahmos. How exactly is it a game changer? If it was Russia would be buying it in the thousands, USA and NATO would be developing counter measures. The fact is that Brahmos is not a game changer and nor is it a major conventional threat to anyone. If it was China would be rapidly developing counter measures.

China has powerful forces deployed on the border with India. Apache Gunships cannot be able to fly over the Himilayas to engage Chinese Forces.

China has a vast resevior of trained forces and people in China take pride in serving in their armed forces where as its the opposite in India.

Lol String of perals will finish their if we warn the respective countries about its consequences.
Brahmos is a gamechanger in South Asian theater.
Indian Forces knows more than you when they opt Apache.

Lol Since when did you start troll.
Citizens are proud about to serve in their Army be it Maldives, be it US.
After all your nations knows very well our pride about Army from 1965 ,71 or 99.