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India is not a secular country
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Mf hussain drew Hindu goddesses in the nude. A danish cartoonist just DREW muhammad. So don't you dare tell me hindus are the less tolerant ones. Secondly, in what universe do incidents like the mangalore one describe all of india. Come to mumbai and there are hundreds of night clubs full of girls every day (Trust me I'd know)
And for all the future trollers, I'm neither hindu nor muslim.
Just last night We had college Party.............all were drunk ............didnt saw anyone troubling us.
People see what they want to see..............and beleive what they want to..................you cannot change anyones mind set
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Beef is the common food along with Porotta(Malabari Paratha) in Kerala. Hindus also takes it. Nothing Happened to anyone.
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USA sidelines religions? You're confusing it with France. USA is deeply religious.
@posters there is a difference between secularism and tolerance. Secularism is merely the separation of state and religion. Are we secular....well yes, we're not governed by laws written in holy books. Indian is both secular and tolerant. However the Indian brand of secularism is not militant like France, which suppresses religion
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The word secular appeared on the preamble in 1976. it was a part of the constitution from the very beginning.
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dude,we the new generation don't talk'n'fight on religion.today was a friday,and i was dropped at mosque on my hindu friend's bike. He took his lunch at my house. At every nation,there will be some political freaks to tear the nation apart. Lets not drag
Religion in here
Religion in here
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Oh thats not true my friend. I once knew this guy who was 18 and a complete MNS fan. He used to say things like ' He hated muslims and how in the next riots hes gonna slice a few throats'
I agree such a$$holes are getting rarer but they do exist.
I agree such a$$holes are getting rarer but they do exist.
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I am sure that eventually they are gonna be 'extinct'
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Mf hussain drew Hindu goddesses in the nude. A danish cartoonist just DREW muhammad. So don't you dare tell me hindus are the less tolerant ones. Secondly, in what universe do incidents like the mangalore one describe all of india. Come to mumbai and there are hundreds of night clubs full of girls every day (Trust me I'd know
And for all the future trollers, I'm neither hindu nor muslim.
Nice reply there But you are wasting your time dude.....
Request to Indian members..Lets move on guys...I don't think this stupid thread even needs a justification...
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it was always good and nice fight in terms defence like tejas vs thunder ,arjun vs khalid etc. But fighting our religion in this era is barbarian
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remember,
This is defence.pk
Not
Religion.pk
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remember,
This is defence.pk
Not
Religion.pk
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India needs no certification on its secularism or lack of it.
What is being quoted is from a web site of one of the numerous political parties that exist in India. Just coz they have a view does not mean it reflects that of the nation. There is room for everybody.
So whats the fuss ?
If India is a lousy democracy , well its works for Indians. If India is a sham secular state- the Indian seem happy with it.
What is being quoted is from a web site of one of the numerous political parties that exist in India. Just coz they have a view does not mean it reflects that of the nation. There is room for everybody.
So whats the fuss ?
If India is a lousy democracy , well its works for Indians. If India is a sham secular state- the Indian seem happy with it.
To all Indians
Here is the definition of secular:  
secular: spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.
In a country that calls it self secular should not have any religious party period. Check out USA. Try registering a religious party in USA and you will find out what the results could be. If India is truly secular then it should not have parties like RSS, BJP and alike. Check out another gem from the BJP web site:
"DYNAMIC CHRISTIANS, STAGNANT MUSLIMS
The nation-state was so powerful, that other countries, like India, could not stand against it. And when the nation-state concept was powered by religious exclusivism it had no equal. When religion acquired the state, the church itself was the first victim of that acquisition. Christianity suffered from the Christian state. It had to struggle not only against Islamic states and Islamic society, but also against itself. As a consequence, it underwent a process of moderation. First, it experienced dissent, then renaissance through arts, music and culture. Thus Christianity was able to overcome the effect of theocratic statecraft by slowly evolving as a society not entirely identified with the state. First the state began to dominate over the Church on the principle of separation between the religious and temporal authorities. The result was the evolution of the secular state. Thus the King wrested the secular power from the Archbishop. Then through democratic movements following the French Revolution, the people wrested power from the King. Later commerce invaded public life as the prime thrust of the Christian West. The theocratic state abdicated in favor of a secular state, the secular state gave way to democracy and later democracy gave way to commerce. Then power shifted from commerce to technology. And now in the Christian West, the state and the society are largely powered by commerce and technology. The Christian West today is even prepared to give up the concept of the nation-state to promote commerce fueled by technological advance. Look at the consolidation that is taking place between Mexico, Canada and the United States of America around trade, and the kind of pyramidal politico economic consolidation that is taking place in Western Europe. All this is oriented towards only one thing West.
ISLAM REMAINED UNCHANGED
While the Christian West has evolved dynamically over the past few centuries, the story of Islam is one of 1500 years of unmitigated stagnation. There has never been a successful attempt from within Islam to start the flow, so to speak. Anyone who attempted to start even a variant of the mainstream flow -- anyone who merely attempted to reinterpret the same book and the same prophet -- was disposed of with such severity that it set an example and a warning to anyone who would dare to cross the line. Some, who merely said that it was not necessary for the Islamic Kingdom to be ruled by the Prophet's own descendants were wiped out. Some others said that the Prophet himself may come again -- not that somebody else might come, but the Prophet himself may be reborn. They were also wiped out. The Sunnis, the Shias, the Ahmedias, the Bahais -- all of whom trusted the same prophet, revered the same book and were loyal to the same revelation -- were all physically and spiritually maimed. From the earliest times, Islam has proved itself incapable of producing an internal evolution; internally legitimized change has not been possible since all change is instantly regarded as an act of apostasy. Every change was -- and is -- put down with bloodshed. In contrast, the Hindu ethos changed continuously. Though, it was always change with continuity: from ritualistic life, to agnostic Buddhism, to the Ahimsa of Mahavira, to the intellect of Sankara, to the devotion of Ramanuja, and finally to the modern movements of social reform. In India, all these changes have occurred without the shedding of a single drop of blood. Islam, on the other hand retains its changelessness, despite the spilling of so much blood all around. It is the changelessness of Islam -- its equal revulsion towards dissent within and towards non-Islamic thoughts without -- that has made it a problem for the whole world."
Complete article can be seen at:
ESSAY : "Semitic Monotheism" | Hindutva
This party is hell bent upon proving that Hinduism is better than Christianity and Islam as one is dynamic and other is stagnant respectively. What is it that BJP is trying to prove. Is Hinduism better than Islam and Christianity, if so, should all the Muslims and Christians convert to Hinduism?
Burning of churches and taking over the Babri Mosque and its conversion into a Hindu temple is a shame to all Indians who thinks that their country is secular. What a joke. Even the Indian High Court put the decision in favor of the RAM (mythical Hindu god) who was named a palintiff against the Babri mosque committee.
Now look at the Indian currency and its passport. The four faced (three shown) lion is definitely not a Muslim or Christian character. It is a Hindu figure.
Look at the Indian currency note in detail with this Hindu figure:
File:10 rupees old.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And now the passport:
The emblem on the passport is shown at the following link:
File:Emblem of India.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is details about what this Hindu figure means:
The emblem of India is an adaptation of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka.
Emperor Ashoka the Great erected the capital atop an Ashoka Pillar to mark the spot where Gautama Buddha first taught the Dharma and where the Buddhist Sangha was founded. In the original there are four Asiatic lions, standing back to back, mounted on a circular abacus with a frieze carrying sculptures in high relief of an elephant, a galloping horse, a bull and a lion separated by intervening Dharmachakra or Ashoka Chakra wheels over a bell-shaped lotus. It was carved out of a single block of polished sandstone.
The four lions (one hidden from view) - symbolising power, courage, pride and confidence - rest on a circular abacus. The abacus is girded by four smaller animals - guardians of the four directions: the lion of the north, the elephant of the east, the horse of the south and the bull of the west.The abacus rests on a lotus in full bloom, exemplifying the fountainhead of life and creative inspiration. The motto 'Satyameva Jayate' inscribed below the emblem in Devanagari script means 'truth alone triumphs'.
The version used as the emblem does not include the bell-shaped lotus flower beneath. The frieze beneath the lions is shown with the Dharma Chakra in the center, a bull on the right and a galloping horse on the left, and outlines of Dharma Chakras on the extreme right and left.
The writing in devnagri letter at the bottom of the fige came from a Hindu scripture book called the Upanishad. Forming an integral part of the emblem is the motto inscribed below the abacus in Devanagari script which reads "Satyameva Jayate" (English: Truth Alone Triumphs). This is a quote from Mundaka Upanishad the concluding part of the sacred Hindu Vedas.
Do not go away folks. We still have to look at the Indian flag.
The 24 spoke wheel is not a secular figure either. The Ashoka Chakra is a depiction of the Buddhist Dharmachakra, represented with 24 spokes. It is so called because it appears on a number of edicts of Ashoka, most prominent among which is the Lion Capital of Sarnath which has been adopted as the National Emblem of the Republic of India. The most visible use of the Ashoka Chakra today is at the centre of the National flag of the Republic of India (adopted on 22 July 1947), where it is rendered in a Navy-blue color on a White background, by replacing the symbol of Charkha (Spinning wheel) of the pre-independence versions of the flag.
Here is my question to all Indians who think that their country is secular: Is this chakra a secular figure or a religious one? Was Ashoka a hindu, muslim or a christian? Even if was a budhist, why is it that a bhuddist emblem is appearing on a passport of a secular country?
The list is long and dirty.
All Muslims in Pakistan should know better that while Indians scream on top of their lungs that their country is secular, they are not. Present day India is a hindu state period.
Here is the definition of secular:  
secular: spirit or tendency, especially a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship.
In a country that calls it self secular should not have any religious party period. Check out USA. Try registering a religious party in USA and you will find out what the results could be. If India is truly secular then it should not have parties like RSS, BJP and alike. Check out another gem from the BJP web site:
"DYNAMIC CHRISTIANS, STAGNANT MUSLIMS
The nation-state was so powerful, that other countries, like India, could not stand against it. And when the nation-state concept was powered by religious exclusivism it had no equal. When religion acquired the state, the church itself was the first victim of that acquisition. Christianity suffered from the Christian state. It had to struggle not only against Islamic states and Islamic society, but also against itself. As a consequence, it underwent a process of moderation. First, it experienced dissent, then renaissance through arts, music and culture. Thus Christianity was able to overcome the effect of theocratic statecraft by slowly evolving as a society not entirely identified with the state. First the state began to dominate over the Church on the principle of separation between the religious and temporal authorities. The result was the evolution of the secular state. Thus the King wrested the secular power from the Archbishop. Then through democratic movements following the French Revolution, the people wrested power from the King. Later commerce invaded public life as the prime thrust of the Christian West. The theocratic state abdicated in favor of a secular state, the secular state gave way to democracy and later democracy gave way to commerce. Then power shifted from commerce to technology. And now in the Christian West, the state and the society are largely powered by commerce and technology. The Christian West today is even prepared to give up the concept of the nation-state to promote commerce fueled by technological advance. Look at the consolidation that is taking place between Mexico, Canada and the United States of America around trade, and the kind of pyramidal politico economic consolidation that is taking place in Western Europe. All this is oriented towards only one thing West.
ISLAM REMAINED UNCHANGED
While the Christian West has evolved dynamically over the past few centuries, the story of Islam is one of 1500 years of unmitigated stagnation. There has never been a successful attempt from within Islam to start the flow, so to speak. Anyone who attempted to start even a variant of the mainstream flow -- anyone who merely attempted to reinterpret the same book and the same prophet -- was disposed of with such severity that it set an example and a warning to anyone who would dare to cross the line. Some, who merely said that it was not necessary for the Islamic Kingdom to be ruled by the Prophet's own descendants were wiped out. Some others said that the Prophet himself may come again -- not that somebody else might come, but the Prophet himself may be reborn. They were also wiped out. The Sunnis, the Shias, the Ahmedias, the Bahais -- all of whom trusted the same prophet, revered the same book and were loyal to the same revelation -- were all physically and spiritually maimed. From the earliest times, Islam has proved itself incapable of producing an internal evolution; internally legitimized change has not been possible since all change is instantly regarded as an act of apostasy. Every change was -- and is -- put down with bloodshed. In contrast, the Hindu ethos changed continuously. Though, it was always change with continuity: from ritualistic life, to agnostic Buddhism, to the Ahimsa of Mahavira, to the intellect of Sankara, to the devotion of Ramanuja, and finally to the modern movements of social reform. In India, all these changes have occurred without the shedding of a single drop of blood. Islam, on the other hand retains its changelessness, despite the spilling of so much blood all around. It is the changelessness of Islam -- its equal revulsion towards dissent within and towards non-Islamic thoughts without -- that has made it a problem for the whole world."
Complete article can be seen at:
ESSAY : "Semitic Monotheism" | Hindutva
This party is hell bent upon proving that Hinduism is better than Christianity and Islam as one is dynamic and other is stagnant respectively. What is it that BJP is trying to prove. Is Hinduism better than Islam and Christianity, if so, should all the Muslims and Christians convert to Hinduism?
Burning of churches and taking over the Babri Mosque and its conversion into a Hindu temple is a shame to all Indians who thinks that their country is secular. What a joke. Even the Indian High Court put the decision in favor of the RAM (mythical Hindu god) who was named a palintiff against the Babri mosque committee.
Now look at the Indian currency and its passport. The four faced (three shown) lion is definitely not a Muslim or Christian character. It is a Hindu figure.
Look at the Indian currency note in detail with this Hindu figure:
File:10 rupees old.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And now the passport:
The emblem on the passport is shown at the following link:
File:Emblem of India.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is details about what this Hindu figure means:
The emblem of India is an adaptation of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka.
Emperor Ashoka the Great erected the capital atop an Ashoka Pillar to mark the spot where Gautama Buddha first taught the Dharma and where the Buddhist Sangha was founded. In the original there are four Asiatic lions, standing back to back, mounted on a circular abacus with a frieze carrying sculptures in high relief of an elephant, a galloping horse, a bull and a lion separated by intervening Dharmachakra or Ashoka Chakra wheels over a bell-shaped lotus. It was carved out of a single block of polished sandstone.
The four lions (one hidden from view) - symbolising power, courage, pride and confidence - rest on a circular abacus. The abacus is girded by four smaller animals - guardians of the four directions: the lion of the north, the elephant of the east, the horse of the south and the bull of the west.The abacus rests on a lotus in full bloom, exemplifying the fountainhead of life and creative inspiration. The motto 'Satyameva Jayate' inscribed below the emblem in Devanagari script means 'truth alone triumphs'.
The version used as the emblem does not include the bell-shaped lotus flower beneath. The frieze beneath the lions is shown with the Dharma Chakra in the center, a bull on the right and a galloping horse on the left, and outlines of Dharma Chakras on the extreme right and left.
The writing in devnagri letter at the bottom of the fige came from a Hindu scripture book called the Upanishad. Forming an integral part of the emblem is the motto inscribed below the abacus in Devanagari script which reads "Satyameva Jayate" (English: Truth Alone Triumphs). This is a quote from Mundaka Upanishad the concluding part of the sacred Hindu Vedas.
Do not go away folks. We still have to look at the Indian flag.
The 24 spoke wheel is not a secular figure either. The Ashoka Chakra is a depiction of the Buddhist Dharmachakra, represented with 24 spokes. It is so called because it appears on a number of edicts of Ashoka, most prominent among which is the Lion Capital of Sarnath which has been adopted as the National Emblem of the Republic of India. The most visible use of the Ashoka Chakra today is at the centre of the National flag of the Republic of India (adopted on 22 July 1947), where it is rendered in a Navy-blue color on a White background, by replacing the symbol of Charkha (Spinning wheel) of the pre-independence versions of the flag.
Here is my question to all Indians who think that their country is secular: Is this chakra a secular figure or a religious one? Was Ashoka a hindu, muslim or a christian? Even if was a budhist, why is it that a bhuddist emblem is appearing on a passport of a secular country?
The list is long and dirty.
All Muslims in Pakistan should know better that while Indians scream on top of their lungs that their country is secular, they are not. Present day India is a hindu state period.
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Ok ... Thanks for taking such tremendous efforts in posting it .
I am a Muslim and I am getting kicked coz India is unsecular . Thanks for reminding me . But still u can make a joke of urself by posting such stuff
I am a Muslim and I am getting kicked coz India is unsecular . Thanks for reminding me . But still u can make a joke of urself by posting such stuff
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