India is not a secular country

[StingRoy]

Hindu Nationalist party does not mean anti Islam..
they can always talk about betterment of Hindus but that should not be at the cost of Muslims or any other minorities.
We should remember Muslims are the kesar in the kheer that is india.
They are present in a few numbers but give india its fragrance

I agree that Hindu Nationalist party does not mean anti-Islam. I don't think it is mentioned anywhere in the article that they are favoring betterment of Hindus only. They are advocating leading the country on the vedic principles which is tolerant of people from other faith, not just muslims.

Why just Muslims, I guess all other religious minorities are like kesar and badam in India's kheer
(Makes me crave for kheer now!)

 

[StingRoy]

I agree. But i have a feeling Congress is more evil and manipulative than BJP. They tend to create a fake sense of helplessness among the minorities so that they could act as the saviors. And I also believe BJP , if given a chance, might do everything to show that it is a moderate secular party.

Point on Congress is bang on!, but I feel that more often the BJP tends to overdo their hinduvta agenda. (Remember Varun Gandhi and his likes). This paints a non-secular picture of them.

I do hope that the parties move on from their religious agendas into growth oriented ones, the likes of which we are seeing today in states of Gujarat, Bihar and Orissa... this growth oriented mindset needs to move out of state politics into the national level.

 

[jayron]

Point on Congress is bang on!, but I feel that more often the BJP tends to overdo their hinduvta agenda. (Remember Varun Gandhi and his likes). This paints a non-secular picture of them.

I do hope that the parties move on from their religious agendas into growth oriented ones, the likes of which we are seeing today in states of Gujarat, Bihar and Orissa... this growth oriented mindset needs to move out of state politics into the national level.

They do have a lot of rotten apples. But in the top level, they are quite moderate and put the national interest first. One concern that I have is BJP trying to impose their version of morals like acting against valentines day, closing discos etc.

 

[Rig Vedic]

Hindu Nationalist party does not mean anti Islam..

they can always talk about betterment of Hindus but that should not be at the cost of Muslims or any other minorities.
We should remember Muslims are the kesar in the kheer that is india.
They are present in a few numbers but give india its fragrance

Where did you find anything anti-Muslim in the article?

There are many people who have a knee-jerk reaction that any mention of Sanatana Dharma must be anti-Muslim.

By the way, there is a difference between anti-Islam and anti-Muslim. Being anti-Muslim is not justified, but no ideology is immune from criticism. If you want blasphemy laws, you should move to Pakistan.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

While reading BJP website, I came across this article that is posted under philosophy section. Here is the last section of the article:

"The future of Bharat is set. Hindutva is here to stay. It is up to the Muslims whether they will be included in the new nationalistic spirit of Bharat. It is up to the government and the Muslim leadership whether they wish to increase Hindu furor or work with the Hindu leadership to show that Muslims and the government will consider Hindu sentiments. The era of one-way compromise of Hindus is over, for from now on, secularism must mean that all parties must compromise.

Hindutva will not mean any Hindu theocracy or theology. However, it will mean that the guiding principles of Bharat will come from two of the great teachings of the Vedas, the ancient Hindu and Indian scriptures, which so boldly proclaimed : TRUTH IS ONE, SAGES CALL IT BY MANY NAMES - and - THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS ONE FAMILY."

The whole article can be read at:
Hindutva: The Great Nationalist Ideology

This article shows the true face of Hindu India. Secularism means that all parties must compromise. What a joke. Does this means that Muslims can slaughter cows and freely sell and consume beef?
In actuality it means that all Muslims will start following Hindu religion and forget about Islam.

so u r judging a country by web site of a party. well done mate. if u have to judge a country, please do so by its constitution not by website of a right wing nationalist party. thanx.

 

[53fd]

i want a blasphemy law like in pakistan...

Pakistan doesn't TRY to depict itself as a secular nation, India does. And India quite clearly fails at portraying itself as A SECULAR nation. I agree it is a democracy and a flawed one too, but its secularism is a big sham... a secular nation wouldn't allow Hindutva extremist parties like VHP, RSS and their chum BJP (to a lesser extent as compared to the other two) to exist. A secular nation wouldn't have a mass murderer, religious extremist fanatic like Modi as a CM (got re-elected as well).

 

[Andross]

I dont know why so many Indians are replying to this stupid thread from a even more retarded article

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

Pakistan doesn't TRY to depict itself as a secular nation, India does. And India quite clearly fails at portraying itself as A SECULAR nation. I agree it is a flawed democracy, but its secularism is a big sham... a secular nation wouldn't allow Hindutva extremist parties like VHP, RSS and their chum BJP (to a lesser extent as compared to the other two) to exist.

YES WE ARE A SECULAR COUNTRY. which nation doesnt have right wing nationalist parties. they r present everywhere in each countries. these parties r not banned and hence are free to practice their politics in country. surely we have problems between communities but tell me which country doesnt. u dont like our secularism because it makes the concept of two nation theory fall flat on u r face.

we as a diverse society consisting of so many languages and communites, caste and creed have survived till now and insha allah we will survive so in future.

 

[Whiplash]

While reading BJP website, I came across this article that is posted under philosophy section. Here is the last section of the article:

"The future of Bharat is set. Hindutva is here to stay. It is up to the Muslims whether they will be included in the new nationalistic spirit of Bharat. It is up to the government and the Muslim leadership whether they wish to increase Hindu furor or work with the Hindu leadership to show that Muslims and the government will consider Hindu sentiments. The era of one-way compromise of Hindus is over, for from now on, secularism must mean that all parties must compromise.



Hindutva will not mean any Hindu theocracy or theology. However, it will mean that the guiding principles of Bharat will come from two of the great teachings of the Vedas, the ancient Hindu and Indian scriptures, which so boldly proclaimed : TRUTH IS ONE, SAGES CALL IT BY MANY NAMES - and - THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS ONE FAMILY."

The whole article can be read at:
Hindutva: The Great Nationalist Ideology

This article shows the true face of Hindu India. Secularism means that all parties must compromise. What a joke. Does this means that Muslims can slaughter cows and freely sell and consume beef?
In actuality it means that all Muslims will start following Hindu religion and forget about Islam.

First of all let me remind you that whether India is secular or not depends on its constitution and not on one single article you found on a right wing party's website. Secondly the article specifically says it is not implying any sort of hindu theocracy or theology. (UNLIKE your country)
Btw, beef is consumed quite freely in places like kerala and the north east. I am in no way a supporter of the BJP, but in a nation with such an overwhelming majority of Hindus one would expect small compromises in their favour (The ban on cow slaughter in some states, for example). This does not mean we are imposing the hindu religion upon muslims. So go get a life and end your 'Hinduism is being imposed on muslims' paranoia. Especially when you come from a country where a christian lady is being sent to the noose for a few misplaced words.

 

[KS]

Yeah right !

Now move on.

 

[takeiteasy]

Minorities in India HATEs to vote for rightwing Hindu nationalist parties including BJP even if it is pro-development. there may be exceptions. but, India was not a Hindu Democratic Country atleast not according to nation's founding Fathers. RSS and Sanghies Who wants to bash "Kangressi" in first hand speaks Hate. Personally knows Weapon Amassing by the Peaceful Sanghies especially RSS.



It is the Quality of Common Men(Hindus) in India that India survives as a Secular Country. It owes a lot to Hinduism for the Peaceful Nature of the People. But, There is a BIG time Conspiracy to Radicalize Hindus by Right wing Parties . Praveen Thogadia,Narendra Modi are all like Zionists or Islamists that they are convinced to wipe out Minorities from India, given a Chance.

These people whine against conversion from pracheen sanathan Dharma of aboriginals and tribals to Christianity as a plot to destroy Hinduism. infact ,these RSS'is,Bajrangis etc are governed by High caste Hindus and Caste System is Supported by them. They want tribals and other undeveloped rural societies remain as it is. they don't want enlightenment,education and upliftment of these Societies in eastern India in particular. their worries is the conversion to Christianity because sanghy classes taught "Abrahami religions are BAD and Dharmic is to be Pushed". :x

Minorities, ofcourse are not innocent too. for eg: Mirag Riots year back in MH was initiated by Radical Musulman and 100s of examples. But, Above All India has to grow to sideline Religions and Move to a US Style Democracy and Secularism.

still, proud to be Indian and that India is a Secular Country , if not the best example.

 

[KS]

Minorities in India HATEs to vote for rightwing Hindu nationalist parties including BJP. there may be exceptions. but, India was not a Hindu Democratic Country atleast not according to nation's founding Fathers. RSS and Sanghies Who wants to bash "Kangressi" in first hand speaks Hate. Personally knows Weapon Amassing by the Peaceful Sanghies especially RSS.

And it is this Kangressi that is keeping this nation divided by its vote bank politics.

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If they dont want to speak for Hindus, then there must be some one to speak for Hindus also.

It is the Quality of Common Men(Hindus) in India that India survives as a Secular Country. It owes a lot to Hinduism for the Peaceful Nature of the People. But, There is a BIG time Conspiracy to Radicalize Hindus by Right wing Parties . Praveen Thogadia,Narendra Modi are all like Zionists or Islamists that they are convinced to wipe out Minorities from India, given a Chance.

The Hindu : Opinion / Lead : The Muslim as BJP supporter in Gujarat

These people whine against conversion from pracheen sanathan Dharma of aboriginals and tribals to Christianity as a plot to destroy Hinduism. infact ,these RSS'is,Bajrangis etc are governed by High caste Hindus and Caste System is Supported by them. They want tribals and other undeveloped rural societies remain as it is. they don't want enlightenment,education and upliftment of these Societies in eastern India in particular. their worries is the conversion to Christianity because sanghy classes taught "Abrahami religions are BAD and Dharmic is to be Pushed".

Here comes the big,bad,evil Brahmins . (Im not a Brahmin). You have nilch idea about RSS my friend. RSS does not accept castre system. In RSS shakhas the first thing taught is there are no castes and Hindus are all same.

And again you dont know how this unchecked market conversion are disturbing the social fabric in many places in India.

Want proof ?? I can give.

 

[Prometheus]

India is not a secular.................does that mean I have to pack my bags??

Minorities in India HATEs to vote for rightwing Hindu nationalist parties including BJP even if it is pro-development..

I voted for BJP in assembly elections and regreting it......................stupid Party......ruined Punjab

 

[ajtr]

i want a blasphemy law like in pakistan...

you already have law against cow slaughter in BJP ruled states.If not VHP/bajrang dal/ramsene/shiv sena/bjp guys are very much able to create mob to pass justice without even in the absence of blasphemy like laws.Ask Staines,M.F.hussain,victim of hindu rioters,and those hindu girls who were just beaten up by morality thekedaars in mangalore 2-3 years back in full view of media.

 

[Whiplash]

you already have law against cow slaughter in BJP ruled states.If not VHP/bajrang dal/ramsene/shiv sena/bjp guys are very much able to create mob to pass justice without even in the absence of blasphemy like laws.Ask Staines,M.F.hussain,victim of hindu rioters,and those hindu girls who were just beaten up by morality thekedaars in mangalore 2-3 years back in full view of media.

Mf hussain drew Hindu goddesses in the nude. A danish cartoonist just DREW muhammad. So don't you dare tell me hindus are the less tolerant ones. Secondly, in what universe do incidents like the mangalore one describe all of india. Come to mumbai and there are hundreds of night clubs full of girls every day (Trust me I'd know )
And for all the future trollers, I'm neither hindu nor muslim.