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India insults Pakistani FM on his maiden official tour to India for SCO Meetup

It was only on finding out about this interview that Jaishankar reacted.
I am sure India could have restricted the foreign delegation to only participate in SCO moot and nothing more, but I take it had no qualms with
clandestine

interview, if I have to use your wording.

All I will say is not the right time or place for the reaction and it is actually sad to see people trying to justify it.
 
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Schooling at Post SCO presser? If he really had to, he could have schooled in giving interviews to media outlets where journalists do provoke the guests afterwards.

He didn't schooled just a personality; the hostility from Pakistani side is specific to individuals in office generally but he actually insulted a nation and termed the foreign ministry to be a spokesperson of terrorism. I do not think any person objective enough of diplomatic norms, would even if provked do it at a press briefing regarding a multinational meeting where you yourself invited a nation and then called them out.

If MEA truly believes Pakistan to be what it alleges, it should have simply denied giving DIPLOMATIC visas to Pakistani delegation. From what I know, India presents it's credentials to the President of the so called 'Terror factory' and comfortably abides whenever they are called to the MoFA.

I would love to compare the so called hostile interview vis a vis the so called schooling in reply side by side.

It is important to keep in mind one is career diplomat while another is a novice who has relatively zilch experience how to conduct yourself as a representative of a nation.
No comment.

I am sure India could have restricted the foreign delegation to only participate in SCO moot and nothing more, but I take it had no qualms with


interview, if I have to use your wording.

All I will say is not the right time or place for the reaction and it is actually sad to see people trying to justify it.
How would that have worked? Confine the entire delegation to quarters, and forbid people from meeting them?

You may be right about it not being the right time or place for the reaction, although then the question would arise about what exactly would be the right time and right place. Definitely not possible to stop people from meeting the delegation. Especially reporters.
 
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Definitely not possible to stop people from meeting the delegation. Especially reporters.
Okay Sir. I bet they would have found a way to stop a Kashmiri politician to meet them tho.

Alright... Freedom of Press in India. I know I know. Ofcourse India is a very free country. I get it.

Anyways, we all ought to move on. I think we are discussing too much over this thing.
 
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i wish ‘sorting things out’ was easy with one side involved in terrorism.
I think Pakistan might be willing to look past Indian terrorism and perhaps even pardon State Actors of India such as Kulboshan Yadav etc., if India were sincere in CBM's, peace and prosperity.
 
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Okay Sir. I bet they would have found a way to stop a Kashmiri politician to meet them tho.

Alright... Freedom of Press in India. I know I know. Ofcourse India is a very free country. I get it.

Anyways, we all ought to move on. I think we are discussing too much over this thing.
Ooooh, sarcastic!

Let me retire and return after applying ointments and unguents (please, you at the back, stop shouting Burnol).
 
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I think Pakistan might be willing to look past Indian terrorism and perhaps even pardon State Actors of India such as Kulboshan Yadav etc., if India were sincere in CBM's, peace and prosperity.
There is a roadblock, that is specific to this government, but has gradually begun to impress many others, including those opposed to this government. That roadblock is the continued supply of arms and explosives to those willing to cross the LOC and attack our people and our facilities.

Nobody will discuss matters at gunpoint.

It was an earlier BJP government that pushed the envelope to discuss matters extensively with their reciprocal decision-makers in Pakistan. This government, too, much though I loathe it, made a number of approaches to the authorities in Pakistan.

Two things.

You will notice that Indians always have a difficulty when conceptualising the decision makers in Pakistan. Should we address the soldiers, who seem to be taking all the decisions, and who have apparently declared the border and all matters related to the border to be their province?

Should we address the democratic apparatus, including the party or parties in position at the centre?

Should we address all together?

The second is that whether India made confidence building measures or not, the same dreary tale ensued.

Vajpayee, whatever my personal scepticism about him should be, got onto a bus and rode to Lahore to show his goodwill. Talks ensued; trains and buses were put in motion. That was rewarded by Kargil.

Later, Musharraf came to India. Talks went well. There was, however, a huge built-up reservoir of distrust due to one of Musharraf's own escapades, Kargil. Its effect on the Indian psyche should not be underestimated.

Manmohan Singh returned. He was rewarded due to a remark made in an unguarded moment, agreeing that all issues could be discussed. We were greeted with a clown-like enactment for the cameras of the press, when a senior diplomat pranced about, waving a folder. That was neither opened there nor was it the subject of a subsequent discussion. Let us agree with @PDF that it was stuffed full of fascinating evidence. As far as we are concerned, after that near-Frisby session with that file, empty or full, we were told that Baloch dissidents had been seen comfortable and at large in Delhi, and that was a proof of collusion. That there could be no other explanation for Baloch outrages other than the active protection and nurturing of a hostile power. That was it.

So when mav3rick makes statements like the one above, it is not likely to have the slightest effect on Indian hearts and minds. Zero.

What is the prognosis?

We in India, in spite of having suffered a tyrannical regime, that has mishandled almost every single thing that it set its hands do, with one single, solitary exception, nevertheless recovered from both the body-blow inflicted by COVID and the derailment occasioned by demonetisation, and the Indian economy has recovered to the pre-2014 levels. We are likely to go further ahead; a record number of foreign investment offers and initiatives have taken place, there is no shortage of money, and the shrill yelps heard on other threads by individuals smarting from the abandonment of their country's position by major entities show the problem for what it is.

Suppose we swallow hard and brush off these bloody episodes? What will happen?

Should we not do so, then, point to the terrorism, not only inflicted by these sneak attacks, but state support displayed in broad daylight by the perpetrators walking around freely addressing crowds, without let or hindrance, defend ourselves as best as we have, and allow matters to progress.

What then?
 
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Guests should also be 'respectful' in order to receive hospitality and respect, unlike a clown who accidentally landed the job without doing anything in his entire life. Look @ Jai's credentials, experience, FO understanding and knowledge and compare him with establishment puppet.
 
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Guests should also be 'respectful' in order to receive hospitality and respect, unlike a clown who accidentally landed the job without doing anything in his entire life. Look @ Jai's credentials, experience, FO understanding and knowledge and compare him with establishment puppet.
True, all true, but the older man should be more indulgent of a younger, less experienced person.

It was not wrong, but it was not right either. I'd say it was less than gracious. Even given provocation, he could have been large-hearted and not made it so personal, and so brutal.

He could have said, for instance, that India was glad to receive all members of SCO to the meeting, including those representing countries with which India had differences of opinion on a bilateral basis. That India believed that this forum and others like it offered wonderful opportunities to widen and deepen a relationship. That, however, it was critical that neither side to any such conversation should have any grievance against the other, that such painful subjects should be addressed and resolved for these occasions to give their maximal benefit. That India was disturbed at the continued difficulties faced by her administrative and enforcement staff in one particular area disputed by the two parties, and by the failure of professions of abstention from sponsoring violent activity to check that violent activity.
 
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I am sorry to hear about the arrest of Imran Khan.
We are now a certified banana Republic 🍌
 
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True, all true, but the older man should be more indulgent of a younger, less experienced person.

It was not wrong, but it was not right either. I'd say it was less than gracious. Even given provocation, he could have been large-hearted and not made it so personal, and so brutal.

He could have said, for instance, that India was glad to receive all members of SCO to the meeting, including those representing countries with which India had differences of opinion on a bilateral basis. That India believed that this forum and others like it offered wonderful opportunities to widen and deepen a relationship. That, however, it was critical that neither side to any such conversation should have any grievance against the other, that such painful subjects should be addressed and resolved for these occasions to give their maximal benefit. That India was disturbed at the continued difficulties faced by her administrative and enforcement staff in one particular area disputed by the two parties, and by the failure of professions of abstention from sponsoring violent activity to check that violent activity.

Remember what Bush told Musharaf prior to WoT??? I guess sometimes non-diplomatic and in your face type bluntness and drawing of red lines seems to work. Also the incidences in J&K just prior to BBZ's provocative interviews didn't help either.

I, personally, would never ever have behaved like Jayshankar. But I would not condemn it either. It gives a clear message that GoI doesn't want to continue to participate in the pretend peace & dialog preachings (the last 75 years were enough probably). Its time for action, from both sides. It is an added advantage that India can well afford to maintain status quo vis-a-vis bi-lateral relationship, but its not the same for Pakistan.
 
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I, personally, would never ever have behaved like Jayshankar. But I would not condemn it either.
Well, partly so, for me.
I would not behave like Jaishankar, but I would have approached it differently.

What he did was peevish and ill-tempered.

I do agree that the message that continuously irritating India is not a way to win her goodwill, to lay the foundation for constructive engagement, or to enable a peaceful neighbourly relationship.
 
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This is establishment's embarrassment. It was them who brought this regime change. It was them who brought Pakistan into disrepute. These leeches need to be get rid of.

Bilawal is a clown and PDM is worse than Lucky Irani circus. Its only establishment which can carry political corpses of PPP and PMLN and be obstinate to move forward. Its because they see their political death in the alternative.

I keep saying this on this forum. PTI or no PTI, this is the defining moment for Pakistan. If we can get rid of this qabza, we as a nation will prosper.
?? Indians have been crying "terrarist saaar" before Imran Khan even entered politics.
 
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Ooooh, sarcastic!

Let me retire and return after applying ointments and unguents (please, you at the back, stop shouting Burnol).
I actually have to learn to be polite. This sarcasm doesn't help me at home or anywhere. I do apologize if any disrespect perceived. Young blood can at times transgress.
 
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