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WASHINGTON: India has indicated to the US that it may reconsider its stand on three contentious defence foundational agreements if its apprehensions about some of the issues in the pacts are addressed by the Pentagon.

After Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar's just concluded visit to the US wherein he had detailed discussions with Defence Secretary Ashton Carter on a wide range of issues, top officials from both sides said there is some positive movement on the three defence agreements being proposed by the US to India, which was opposed by New Delhi thus far.

The three foundational agreements proposed by the Pentagon are the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA); Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA).

"The Indian side has expressed certain reservation/ apprehension about some of the issues (with regard to Foundational Agreements)," Parrikar told reporters at the end of his US trip responding to a question last week.

"We have told them that they should put up after due consideration and if the process (of technology transfer) can be speeded up, in principal those things (foundational agreements) can be considered," Parrikar said.

US Ambassador to India Richard Verma, who was present in most of the meetings that Parrikar had with Carter, acknowledged that there would be some movement on this part.

"We would see progress on the foundational agreements in 2016 as well," Verma told Indian reporters on Friday.

"We have made a very convincing case to the Indian side that this is so much in their interest and our interest to sign the agreements and let's move over to the next level of technological co-operation and the signals we are getting are positive," Verma said in response to a question.

However, he said the defence co-operation would continue at the same pace even in the absence of these agreements, which is only one of the broader export control issues.

"Foundational agreements are part of it, but I would not suggest that either you have to have foundational agreements or nothing would happen," Verma said.

The issue of foundational agreements popped up prominently during the meetings with defense industry as well.

"The US side wants India to sign foundational agreements. This, the US side feels, would allow them to transfer technology to India with confidence," said Sukaran Singh, CEO and MD of Tata Advanced Systems, who was part of the Indian business delegation that accompanied the Defense Minister.

However, Singh said he was not aware how much progress was made by the two countries on the three agreements.

According to the officials, CISMOA permits secure communications interoperability between partners during bilateral and multinational training exercises and operations.

"It enables friendly partner governments to receive both secure communications products and information on approved equipment for these purposes," a senior defense department official had said early this year.

Noting that the agreement also provides safeguarding guidelines and mechanisms for addressing such initiatives on a mutually agreeable basis, the official said for example CISMOA can provide for advanced terrain mapping software for US manufactured aircraft such as C-130Js.

LSA, which is sometimes also referred as Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreements (ACSAs), facilitates the provision of logistical support, supplies, and services between the US military and the armed forces of partner countries on a reimbursable basis, and provides a framework that governs the exchange of logistics support, supplies, and services.

This may include food, water, billeting, transportation, petroleum, oils, lubricants, clothing, medical services, spare parts and components, repair and maintenance services, training services, and other logistical items and services, the official added.

It facilitates exchanges on a case-by case basis for pre- negotiated logistical arrangements or payment upon receipt.

This agreement only provides an additional means to fund necessary support (e.g., exchange of like services, lease of equipment) and requires the approval of both countries on a case-by-case basis, officials said.

For example, senior defense officials said, during a bilateral exercise with the US, the participant country's unit requires fuel for its equipment. The unit cannot make the purchase unless it can pay directly and immediately.
"An LSA agreement would allow for the purchase by establishing a value for the purchase and the terms for payment, which could be replacement-in-kind or an equal-value exchange," the official said.

According to the defence official, BECA allows for no-cost exchange of unclassified and controlled unclassified geospatial products, data, and services between India and the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

This agreement would enable India to obtain a range of geospatial products, training, and subject matter expert exchanges. Additionally, NGA would be enable to provide India with certain types of training at the NGA College as desired.

For example, under a under a BECA, partner governments agree to the exchange of topographical, nautical, and aeronautical data and products.

One of the foundational agreements General Security Of Military Information Agreement was been signed in 2002. The so-called foundational agreements, senior defense department officials said, are frequently used by the US to facilitate defense cooperation with foreign military partners as well as their defense-related contractors.

These are routine agreements, and to date the US has signed more than 100 such agreements with its partner countries around the world, the official added.

India hints US it may reconsider stand on three defence foundational pacts - The Economic Times
 
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WASHINGTON: India has indicated to the US that it may reconsider its stand on three contentious defence foundational agreements if its apprehensions about some of the issues in the pacts are addressed by the Pentagon.

After Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar's just concluded visit to the US wherein he had detailed discussions with Defence Secretary Ashton Carter on a wide range of issues, top officials from both sides said there is some positive movement on the three defence agreements being proposed by the US to India, which was opposed by New Delhi thus far.

The three foundational agreements proposed by the Pentagon are the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA); Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA).

"The Indian side has expressed certain reservation/ apprehension about some of the issues (with regard to Foundational Agreements)," Parrikar told reporters at the end of his US trip responding to a question last week.

"We have told them that they should put up after due consideration and if the process (of technology transfer) can be speeded up, in principal those things (foundational agreements) can be considered," Parrikar said.

US Ambassador to India Richard Verma, who was present in most of the meetings that Parrikar had with Carter, acknowledged that there would be some movement on this part.

"We would see progress on the foundational agreements in 2016 as well," Verma told Indian reporters on Friday.

"We have made a very convincing case to the Indian side that this is so much in their interest and our interest to sign the agreements and let's move over to the next level of technological co-operation and the signals we are getting are positive," Verma said in response to a question.

However, he said the defence co-operation would continue at the same pace even in the absence of these agreements, which is only one of the broader export control issues.

"Foundational agreements are part of it, but I would not suggest that either you have to have foundational agreements or nothing would happen," Verma said.

The issue of foundational agreements popped up prominently during the meetings with defense industry as well.

"The US side wants India to sign foundational agreements. This, the US side feels, would allow them to transfer technology to India with confidence," said Sukaran Singh, CEO and MD of Tata Advanced Systems, who was part of the Indian business delegation that accompanied the Defense Minister.

However, Singh said he was not aware how much progress was made by the two countries on the three agreements.

According to the officials, CISMOA permits secure communications interoperability between partners during bilateral and multinational training exercises and operations.

"It enables friendly partner governments to receive both secure communications products and information on approved equipment for these purposes," a senior defense department official had said early this year.

Noting that the agreement also provides safeguarding guidelines and mechanisms for addressing such initiatives on a mutually agreeable basis, the official said for example CISMOA can provide for advanced terrain mapping software for US manufactured aircraft such as C-130Js.

LSA, which is sometimes also referred as Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreements (ACSAs), facilitates the provision of logistical support, supplies, and services between the US military and the armed forces of partner countries on a reimbursable basis, and provides a framework that governs the exchange of logistics support, supplies, and services.

This may include food, water, billeting, transportation, petroleum, oils, lubricants, clothing, medical services, spare parts and components, repair and maintenance services, training services, and other logistical items and services, the official added.

It facilitates exchanges on a case-by case basis for pre- negotiated logistical arrangements or payment upon receipt.

This agreement only provides an additional means to fund necessary support (e.g., exchange of like services, lease of equipment) and requires the approval of both countries on a case-by-case basis, officials said.

For example, senior defense officials said, during a bilateral exercise with the US, the participant country's unit requires fuel for its equipment. The unit cannot make the purchase unless it can pay directly and immediately.
"An LSA agreement would allow for the purchase by establishing a value for the purchase and the terms for payment, which could be replacement-in-kind or an equal-value exchange," the official said.

According to the defence official, BECA allows for no-cost exchange of unclassified and controlled unclassified geospatial products, data, and services between India and the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

This agreement would enable India to obtain a range of geospatial products, training, and subject matter expert exchanges. Additionally, NGA would be enable to provide India with certain types of training at the NGA College as desired.

For example, under a under a BECA, partner governments agree to the exchange of topographical, nautical, and aeronautical data and products.

One of the foundational agreements General Security Of Military Information Agreement was been signed in 2002. The so-called foundational agreements, senior defense department officials said, are frequently used by the US to facilitate defense cooperation with foreign military partners as well as their defense-related contractors.

These are routine agreements, and to date the US has signed more than 100 such agreements with its partner countries around the world, the official added.

India hints US it may reconsider stand on three defence foundational pacts - The Economic Times
But, but, India is the US's poodle :cheesy::rofl::rofl::rofl::lol::lol::whistle::whistle:
 
For Engine technology or EMALS what is the need of CISMOA

Our P 8 I are working without CISMOA
 
For Engine technology or EMALS what is the need of CISMOA

Our P 8 I are working without CISMOA
This is how the Americans work- if you want their treats you have to take all the strings that come with it that further the US's interests, this blueprint simply won't work with India and they will (US) need to come up with a bespoke set of solutions for India.


+ The C-17, C-130J-30, P-8I (and in future AH-46E and CH-47F) all without the communication equipment covered under CISMOA but was replaced with Indian alternatives thereafter- no issue.
 
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WASHINGTON: India has indicated to the US that it may reconsider its stand on three contentious defence foundational agreements if its apprehensions about some of the issues in the pacts are addressed by the Pentagon.

After Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar's just concluded visit to the US wherein he had detailed discussions with Defence Secretary Ashton Carter on a wide range of issues, top officials from both sides said there is some positive movement on the three defence agreements being proposed by the US to India, which was opposed by New Delhi thus far.

The three foundational agreements proposed by the Pentagon are the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA); Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA).

"The Indian side has expressed certain reservation/ apprehension about some of the issues (with regard to Foundational Agreements)," Parrikar told reporters at the end of his US trip responding to a question last week.

"We have told them that they should put up after due consideration and if the process (of technology transfer) can be speeded up, in principal those things (foundational agreements) can be considered," Parrikar said.

US Ambassador to India Richard Verma, who was present in most of the meetings that Parrikar had with Carter, acknowledged that there would be some movement on this part.

"We would see progress on the foundational agreements in 2016 as well," Verma told Indian reporters on Friday.

"We have made a very convincing case to the Indian side that this is so much in their interest and our interest to sign the agreements and let's move over to the next level of technological co-operation and the signals we are getting are positive," Verma said in response to a question.

However, he said the defence co-operation would continue at the same pace even in the absence of these agreements, which is only one of the broader export control issues.

"Foundational agreements are part of it, but I would not suggest that either you have to have foundational agreements or nothing would happen," Verma said.

The issue of foundational agreements popped up prominently during the meetings with defense industry as well.

"The US side wants India to sign foundational agreements. This, the US side feels, would allow them to transfer technology to India with confidence," said Sukaran Singh, CEO and MD of Tata Advanced Systems, who was part of the Indian business delegation that accompanied the Defense Minister.

However, Singh said he was not aware how much progress was made by the two countries on the three agreements.

According to the officials, CISMOA permits secure communications interoperability between partners during bilateral and multinational training exercises and operations.

"It enables friendly partner governments to receive both secure communications products and information on approved equipment for these purposes," a senior defense department official had said early this year.

Noting that the agreement also provides safeguarding guidelines and mechanisms for addressing such initiatives on a mutually agreeable basis, the official said for example CISMOA can provide for advanced terrain mapping software for US manufactured aircraft such as C-130Js.

LSA, which is sometimes also referred as Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreements (ACSAs), facilitates the provision of logistical support, supplies, and services between the US military and the armed forces of partner countries on a reimbursable basis, and provides a framework that governs the exchange of logistics support, supplies, and services.

This may include food, water, billeting, transportation, petroleum, oils, lubricants, clothing, medical services, spare parts and components, repair and maintenance services, training services, and other logistical items and services, the official added.

It facilitates exchanges on a case-by case basis for pre- negotiated logistical arrangements or payment upon receipt.

This agreement only provides an additional means to fund necessary support (e.g., exchange of like services, lease of equipment) and requires the approval of both countries on a case-by-case basis, officials said.

For example, senior defense officials said, during a bilateral exercise with the US, the participant country's unit requires fuel for its equipment. The unit cannot make the purchase unless it can pay directly and immediately.
"An LSA agreement would allow for the purchase by establishing a value for the purchase and the terms for payment, which could be replacement-in-kind or an equal-value exchange," the official said.

According to the defence official, BECA allows for no-cost exchange of unclassified and controlled unclassified geospatial products, data, and services between India and the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

This agreement would enable India to obtain a range of geospatial products, training, and subject matter expert exchanges. Additionally, NGA would be enable to provide India with certain types of training at the NGA College as desired.

For example, under a under a BECA, partner governments agree to the exchange of topographical, nautical, and aeronautical data and products.

One of the foundational agreements General Security Of Military Information Agreement was been signed in 2002. The so-called foundational agreements, senior defense department officials said, are frequently used by the US to facilitate defense cooperation with foreign military partners as well as their defense-related contractors.

These are routine agreements, and to date the US has signed more than 100 such agreements with its partner countries around the world, the official added.

India hints US it may reconsider stand on three defence foundational pacts - The Economic Times


No agreement with any European aircraft manufacturer for Tejas Mk-II | Page 2

@Shankranthi You are totally correct when you say in the above thread that India is not run by fools. I totally agree they certainly are not fools like me as you said. For sure they are going to complete these agreements before they demit office in 2019. Does not matter if people like you and @knight11 support it not.

I am not calling the incumbent government traitorous but please educate me why this government has been in a rush to complete all the contentious agreements that were stalled/opposed by the previous UPA government at the expense of / or unfavorable to India

1) Drug Patent/IPR agreement

2) Dilution of the Nuclear liability Clause

3) Climate change agreement

4 and now LSA, CISMOA & BECA

Is this definition of getting rid of bureaucracy and implement developmental projects?

We have a Pied Piper of India here but the blind followers cannot see it. Only fools like me can see it.

No agreement with any European aircraft manufacturer for Tejas Mk-II

@knight11 You were asking for proof, check the above OP. The statement is from the horse mouth.
 
First sudden U turn on talks with Pakistan, now signing agreements India was always against so govt seems to have come under pressure in foreign policy too ?
 
US just needs India as a weapon to contain China, which is not stoping its expansion is South China Sea. This is the probable vision of US. India sign these agreements or not, US will some way or the other will drag India in this conflict because as a world police it needs to counter that threat in future and needs a shield to face the bullets.
 
US just needs India as a weapon to contain China, which is not stoping its expansion is South China Sea. This is the probable vision of US. India sign these agreements or not, US will some way or the other will drag India in this conflict because as a world police it needs to counter that threat in future and needs a shield to face the bullets.


very true as long as modi is in power nothing will change thou
 
First sudden U turn on talks with Pakistan, now signing agreements India was always against so govt seems to have come under pressure in foreign policy too ?

Coming under pressure is the correct term for UPA as they are Russian leaning. The current incumbent government is west leaning (I am not using the term "lackeys" either for UPA or BJP as some may argue). There is no question of pressure here. BJP's problem has always been how to sugar coat and sell these as some kind of great achievements. Back in the years, Advani even tried to sell India's participation in Iraq's war.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EG02Df05.html
 
NDA government is pro america pro nato this is a fact

You never know, even if party changes, some secret objectives always stay on table. Afterall US is the country which killed our scientist Bhabha to stop nuke program and rejected visa for Modi to show fake sympathy towards muslims. I don't think that India will ever follow US blindly like Pakistan.
 
You never know, even if party changes, some secret objectives always stay on table. Afterall US is the country which killed our scientist Bhabha to stop nuke program and rejected visa for Modi to show fake sympathy towards muslims. I don't think that India will ever follow US blindly like Pakistan.

we are tho, it looks like we dont have any choice i think its a bigger conspiracy i have a feeling that our Intelligence service is behind this dont forget we are the biggest buyer of us defenses and equipment our special forces are being trained by Americans and western nato forces think again brother
 
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