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Vatican didn't become rich all suddenly. ... it is in developed country... and between rich countries....unlike us who are after each others religion. .. still struck in medieval mindset.

Vatican got most of its riches when the west was certainly not "developed"...but were certainly bloodthirsty expansionist crooks.The Vatican certainly has hoarded a lot more wealth than Sai Baba or Tirupathi temple can ever dream of.

They are on a different league altogether....we cannot and should not excuse their horrible actions of the past and their ill-gotten wealth arising from it. Are we also to overlook and accept the scores of Priest child sexual-abuse cases worldwide too in the name of the greater good and because many cases are in so-called developed and rich countries (who also have often gotten rich from exploiting other human beings of different societies simply because they were of a different creed, colour and society)?

The medieval mindset is found in every religion at its core interpretation by human beings....because humans are imperfect and very vulnerable creatures in our psyche. Do not think a country becomes rich and suddenly its religion becomes pure. There is a reason why the West is abandoning its Christianity in ever increasing numbers.....but I doubt the same will ever happen in essentially Dharmic India....because Hinduism itself is not a religious dogma but a collection of many various philosophies and the freedom to choose between them. Why do you think minorities of all sorts have flourished here for millenia when they have been obliterated in the histories of the abrahamic faiths under the aegis of the vengeful God of the old testament...the current manifestation of which we see in the most recent of this family of religions? Why do you think ranjeet said you have to go through 1000 iterations of insults before he is insulted by what you post?

So no, do not compare the two worlds, they are very different in intent, higher function and foundation. We can all go through reforms to rationalise and even purge elements of human interpretation and understanding of this foundation....but I see only the Dharmic world being able to do this long term and organically without abandoning its greater overall tenets to seek truth, whatever it be. Just look at how "mainstream" Hinduism has continuously evolved much like the Avatars of Vishnu from its inception just before the Vedic period.

Can you say the same for the Abrahamic faiths which relies on just one storyline, one rigid monotheistic thought process and a strict dogmatic code with equal measure stick and carrot? I see the majority of rationalists and differing perceptionists having to simply abandon the doctrine because there is no creative space for them.

That is the real fight we Hindus have on our hands these days.....when any abrahamic leader be he a pastor, bishop, mullah or imam wants to shove dogmatism and salvation down our throats and then have the utter gall to imply our own venerable ancient faith is antiquated, nonsensical and even evil....that we must be "saved" from.

It is these folk that are the most dangerous for the fabric of our nation....deal with them and control them and I swear that 99% of these "attacks on minorities" will go away in the blink of an eye. Their reactionary counterparts are now also shamefully there in some of the invented streams of Hindu thought....they will also vanish once their raison d'etre goes away...

You cannot expect us to continually take every slap on our face and never respond.

For that reason I say let the pastor and his congregation be investigated as well, transparently and neutrally...alongside the attackers who have so easily given in to the temptation of physical violence.

I say this because I have seen the activities of the Church and I know its history. Excuse me if I dont give them the benefit of the doubt.

All must be equal before the law....no one should get a free pass because of Secularism....because you might as well call it anti-Hinduism at that point.
 
Vatican got most of its riches when the west was certainly not "developed"...but were certainly bloodthirsty expansionist crooks.The Vatican certainly has hoarded a lot more wealth than Sai Baba or Tirupathi temple can ever dream of.

They are on a different league altogether....we cannot and should not excuse their horrible actions of the past and their ill-gotten wealth arising from it. Are we also to overlook and accept the scores of Priest child sexual-abuse cases worldwide too in the name of the greater good and because many cases are in so-called developed and rich countries (who also have often gotten rich from exploiting other human beings of different societies simply because they were of a different creed, colour and society)?

The medieval mindset is found in every religion at its core interpretation by human beings....because humans are imperfect and very vulnerable creatures in our psyche. Do not think a country becomes rich and suddenly its religion becomes pure. There is a reason why the West is abandoning its Christianity in ever increasing numbers.....but I doubt the same will ever happen in essentially Dharmic India....because Hinduism itself is not a religious dogma but a collection of many various philosophies and the freedom to choose between them. Why do you think minorities of all sorts have flourished here for millenia when they have been obliterated in the histories of the abrahamic faiths under the aegis of the vengeful God of the old testament...the current manifestation of which we see in the most recent of this family of religions? Why do you think ranjeet said you have to go through 1000 iterations of insults before he is insulted by what you post?

So no, do not compare the two worlds, they are very different in intent, higher function and foundation. We can all go through reforms to rationalise and even purge elements of human interpretation and understanding of this foundation....but I see only the Dharmic world being able to do this long term and organically without abandoning its greater overall tenets to seek truth, whatever it be. Just look at how "mainstream" Hinduism has continuously evolved much like the Avatars of Vishnu from its inception just before the Vedic period.

Can you say the same for the Abrahamic faiths which relies on just one storyline, one rigid monotheistic thought process and a strict dogmatic code with equal measure stick and carrot? I see the majority of rationalists and differing perceptionists having to simply abandon the doctrine because there is no creative space for them.

That is the real fight we Hindus have on our hands these days.....when any abrahamic leader be he a pastor, bishop, mullah or imam wants to shove dogmatism and salvation down our throats and then have the utter gall to imply our own venerable ancient faith is antiquated, nonsensical and even evil....that we must be "saved" from.

It is these folk that are the most dangerous for the fabric of our nation....deal with them and control them and I swear that 99% of these "attacks on minorities" will go away in the blink of an eye. Their reactionary counterparts are now also shamefully there in some of the invented streams of Hindu thought....they will also vanish once their raison d'etre goes away...

You cannot expect us to continually take every slap on our face and never respond.

For that reason I say let the pastor and his congregation be investigated as well, transparently and neutrally...alongside the attackers who have so easily given in to the temptation of physical violence.

I say this because I have seen the activities of the Church and I know its history. Excuse me if I dont give them the benefit of the doubt.

All must be equal before the law....no one should get a free pass because of Secularism....because you might as well call it anti-Hinduism at that point.
oh really???? did i Bring any babas or anti Hindu posts????? I just pointed out some tricks by one or two persons who called them selves as god.... as he keep bringing Minorities into the picture.. no one is innocent neither you nor my self... am aware of world be it Hindu or Christian or Muslim. ... so I am aware black magic.... narabali pujas.... why you are in defensive mode.... I pointed out some blind faith as he pointed out some in Christianity. .. nothing wrong in that....
 
oh really???? did i Bring any babas or anti Hindu posts????? I just pointed out some tricks by one or two persons who called them selves as god.... as he keep bringing Minorities into the picture.. no one is innocent neither you nor my self... am aware of world be it Hindu or Christian or Muslim. ... so I am aware black magic.... narabali pujas.... why you are in defensive mode.... I pointed out some blind faith as he pointed out some in Christianity. .. nothing wrong in that....

You play this game and pretty soon you will find that its the only game you can play.
 
oh really???? did i Bring any babas or anti Hindu posts????? I just pointed out some tricks by one or two persons who called them selves as god.... as he keep bringing Minorities into the picture.. no one is innocent neither you nor my self... am aware of world be it Hindu or Christian or Muslim. ... so I am aware black magic.... narabali pujas.... why you are in defensive mode.... I pointed out some blind faith as he pointed out some in Christianity. .. nothing wrong in that....

OK I will leave you two to it. Peace brother and hopefully you dont take anything too seriously.
 
OK I will leave you two to it. Peace brother and hopefully you dont take anything too seriously.


it depends on mutual respect. ... I respect peoples faith... so i don't group all the Hindus together for one or two idiots. ... I see them as person than representative of Hindus or so.... but that guy blaming entire community just because a person who cheats people and cashing their faith..... my point is as there are fake Pastors who cash Blind Christians ... there are Babas who cash Hindus... in many of my posts i insisted to consider them as individuals than representative of any community. .. so many guys get butt hurted when i posted some tricks of Babas... if they see am insulting the religion it's perception problem. .. I can't do anything. .. in return they make personal attack in many fold.... this is what you called Secularism. ... I don't even have right to take stand on behalf of another religious faith or point out some fakes tricks.... and this is how minorities harass majorities. .. funny.... they are allowed to blame others religious but not vice versa...
 
yes pastor activities in Home.... lolz ultra Hindus insecurities at best... yet they are blaming minorities. .. such lame excuses. ...

As an Indian, would you say that India as a whole is less tolerant toward minorities in the last year or so?
 
As an Indian, would you say that India as a whole is less tolerant toward minorities in the last year or so?

I can give you the answer once you provide the following clarifications

1) Please define the word "minorities"
2) Also, please clarify less tolerant when compared to what?
a) Are you comparing to India at another period of time? If yes, please specify the time period for comparison.
b) Are you comparing India in the last one year to last one year of another country? If yes, please specify the country being compared to.

Thanks
 
I can give you the answer once you provide the following clarifications

1) Please define the word "minorities"
2) Also, please clarify less tolerant when compared to what?
a) Are you comparing to India at another period of time? If yes, please specify the time period for comparison.
b) Are you comparing India in the last one year to last one year of another country? If yes, please specify the country being compared to.

Thanks

I was asking another poster. So you might want to get the details from him or her.
 
There is a reason why the West is abandoning its Christianity in ever increasing numbers.....but I doubt the same will ever happen in essentially Dharmic India....
may be true in the case of west,But its growing rapidly in many African nations,Asian countries like South korea,China including majority Philippines and going strongly in Latin American countries...But can't say about Hinduism..Hinduism was once spread across from Afghanistan-Pakistan-India-Bangladesh-burma-Thailand-Malaysia/Singapore-Indonesian bali island...Now apart from India/Nepal/Bali island,all other nations abandoned Hinduism...Even in India its not growing good,there are 4-5 states in India where Hindus are minority..for the first time its percentage came down below 80%...

some members will come up with random articles instead of condemning they will deviate the topic... try to score some points against minorities. ....
They did the very thing in ''Dadri killing'' by cooked up a fake beef story''and ignited gaumatha sentiments to justify the murder of an innocent Muslim man and got their hands burned when it was found to be mutton...
Its the right to defend their religion and don't expect any good from any sanghis in this forum,please..
 
may be true in the case of west,But its growing rapidly in many African nations,Asian countries like South korea,China including majority Philippines and going strongly in Latin American countries...But can't say about Hinduism..Hinduism was once spread across from Afghanistan-Pakistan-India-Bangladesh-burma-Thailand-Malaysia/Singapore-Indonesian bali island...Now apart from India/Nepal/Bali island,all other nations abandoned Hinduism...Even in India its not growing good,there are 4-5 states in India where Hindus are minority..for the first time its percentage came down below 80%...

a) As Africa also develops economically and intellectually, they will also leave Abrahamic faiths over time like the West is doing. It will just take time.

b) South Korea and China will never become Christian dominant nations. They are too smart for that. Same with Japan They will remain Buddhist/Confucian societies with a strong mix of atheism in character. Korean churches are hitting their peak now after which an inevitable decline will follow.

c) Hinduism was often evolved into Buddhism in many parts of South East Asia which is a co-faith in the Dharmic umbrella that no genuine Hindu has a problem with....after all there are many faiths under the Hindu umbrella as well. The other process was Islamic conquest and forced conversion by various processes. Islam is thus simply the most recent of the Abrahamic umbrella which has always resorted to warfare, bloodletting or aggressive conversion for expansion. Compare this to how Buddhism spread from India to the rest of Asia with no armies. That in essence is why one system gives guaranteed short term gains, the other is more patient and will persevere and prevail by its very nature of tolerance, syncretism and choices available. Science is a traditionally alien concept to one because of this dogmatism...the other simply sees it as one more road to achieve ultimate truth. How did the Church treat Galileo when he suggested the earth revolves around the Sun....and compare this to the treatment given to Aryabhatta when he proposed the same earlier. Therein lies the answer to the fundamental difference.

d) India will forever remain a Dharmic nation in essence...the Minority religions best accept this and live side by side as national brothers and sisters. If they put their religion before country, they must be prepared for the Dharmic faiths to officially make India a Dharmic nation so no bushes of secularism remain for minorities to hide behind after indulging in any anti-national nonsense to score cheap salvation/religious points.

As Muslim birth rates continue to drop as their community develops economically, the %'s will all stabilise. In the long term the radicals and extremists of each faith will lose their sanctuaries....this is essentially what a Dharmic nation wants anyway.
 
a) As Africa also develops economically and intellectually, they will also leave Abrahamic faiths over time like the West is doing. It will just take time.

b) South Korea and China will never become Christian dominant nations. They are too smart for that. Same with Japan They will remain Buddhist/Confucian societies with a strong mix of atheism in character. Korean churches are hitting their peak now after which an inevitable decline will follow.

c) Hinduism was often evolved into Buddhism in many parts of South East Asia which is a co-faith in the Dharmic umbrella that no genuine Hindu has a problem with....after all there are many faiths under the Hindu umbrella as well. The other process was Islamic conquest and forced conversion by various processes. Islam is thus simply the most recent of the Abrahamic umbrella which has always resorted to warfare, bloodletting or aggressive conversion for expansion. Compare this to how Buddhism spread from India to the rest of Asia with no armies. That in essence is why one system gives guaranteed short term gains, the other is more patient and will persevere and prevail by its very nature of tolerance, syncretism and choices available. Science is a traditionally alien concept to one because of this dogmatism...the other simply sees it as one more road to achieve ultimate truth. How did the Church treat Galileo when he suggested the earth revolves around the Sun....and compare this to the treatment given to Aryabhatta when he proposed the same earlier. Therein lies the answer to the fundamental difference.

d) India will forever remain a Dharmic nation in essence...the Minority religions best accept this and live side by side as national brothers and sisters. If they put their religion before country, they must be prepared for the Dharmic faiths to officially make India a Dharmic nation so no bushes of secularism remain for minorities to hide behind after indulging in any anti-national nonsense to score cheap salvation/religious points.

As Muslim birth rates continue to drop as their community develops economically, the %'s will all stabilise. In the long term the radicals and extremists of each faith will lose their sanctuaries....this is essentially what a Dharmic nation wants anyway.
Seems you are very happy to see the ''future inevitable'' decline of Christianity...Actually religion wise Christianity is the predominant religion in S.Korea..You are right about China and Japan ,though China has more ChristIans than many so called Christian European nations..
Don't say the peaceful nature of Buddhism..We all know how they are treating religious minorities in Burma and Laos..
 
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