India has to wait.....wait....wait....

[CaptainJackSparrow]

You are asking not to talk about absent foot and only discuss how India would run.

Ok if you insist,

India cannot get UN permanent seat unless it has no issues with its neighbors and Kashmir is the flash point between the two countries.

Not necessarily. China also has issues with India since it doesn't recognise the McMahon line as a result of which the India-China border remains the longest unresolved border in the world.

Hint: Pakistan is India's neighbor and Kashmir is internationally recognized dispute.

Like I said, China also had a dispute with India which exists even today.

Also, China-India relations are going to decide what India gets.

The relations are better than they were, say, a few years ago with a few minor irritants thrown in. China remains India's largest trading partner.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You are asserting the point I am making.

I just find statements like "got the milk out of cow" coming from Pakistanis amusing ,as if you are in a position to get anything better or have a more through understanding of US-India relations.

We didn't loose a thing before of your deals or you didn't got pushed any inch further.

Pakistan reaction : "Pakistan believes that U.S. endorsement of India’s bid for its permanent seat in the Security Council adds to the complexity of the process of reforms of the Council, Pakistan hopes that the U.S. will take a moral view and not base itself on any temporary expediency or exigencies of power politics"

And Yes! we did move an inch further.Previously USA was ambiguous in its statements regarding support of India in UNSC.
Also we are getting an entry into NSG despite not signing NPT.
Also the export restrictions are removed,the rest is just business.

We are fighting terrorists with all the resources we have.

No your not,there'd be no purpose for US drone strikes then.

If you think you imagine Pakistan will add its 11th finger of hand to "do more".. you are doing exactly what Americans wanted you to imagine.

The "Do more" was also used when Musharraf expected a similar nuke-deal from Bush.

This is where you go wrong, rather than laying an emphasis on on what "do more" means for Pakistan,you see how it applies to India/Indian audience.

I"ll be more clear,i just find it amusing that smug notion that Barak Obama's visit was some kind of loss to India.

 

[Vajra_Yuddh]

well when india gets it then we can talk. So far they have not been able to get IoK. What kind of "power ful" nation is this which is helpless at the whim of much weaker adversary and runs aloud the world forums in defaming its rival without much evidence.

Because this is called strategy. If we can cry out loud, without sending a soldier across the border make your own soldiers kill militants for us, then crying is certainly a smart strategy.

We cried; so many nations cry for something or the other; the point is UN listened to us and the onus is now on you to eliminate militancy coming out of your country.

You should listen to some comments by Jigs the Turkish guy here; war isn't always the solution. We again have a saying in Hindi:

"Jab seedhi ungli se ghee nikal rahi hai to ungli tedi kyon karein"?

 

[graphican]

I just find statements like "got the milk out of cow" coming from Pakistanis amusing ,as if you are in a position to get anything better or have a more through understanding of US-India relations.

You are mixing two things here. US-India Relatioship is a reality and they are on the rise but US-India relationship are not the first and last thing India needs to get UNSC seat. Second, USA has asserted the same "India would have to wait and its a long process" statement soon after Obama went back which asserts the point.

Pakistan reaction : "Pakistan believes that U.S. endorsement of India’s bid for its permanent seat in the Security Council adds to the complexity of the process of reforms of the Council, Pakistan hopes that the U.S. will take a moral view and not base itself on any temporary expediency or exigencies of power politics"

And Yes! we did move an inch further.Previously USA was ambiguous in its statements regarding support of India in UNSC.
Also we are getting an entry into NSG despite not signing NPT.
Also the export restrictions are removed,the rest is just business.

This is the point that India got an inch further and where USA could have pushed India, India has got there already. Good but its not the everything India needed.. USA doesn't own UN and with declining power it is going to loose more influence instead of gaining.

No your not,there'd be no purpose for US drone strikes then.

Drone strikes also take place in Afghanistan.. so you imply US and NATO is also not doing anything there either? You simply have naive understanding of the issue. We don't have UCAVs neither Pakistan Army is "currently" operating in the areas where strikes are being carried out. No one is saying the war in Pakistan is over but the angle you are putting it is offending and un-thankful.

The "Do more" was also used when Musharraf expected a similar nuke-deal from Bush.

USA didn't ask us to do more when they handed over F-16s or other supplies that they provided over the years. We weren't to get Nuclear Deal from USA and that is clear by now.

Recent statements from White House have cleared this aspect for India as well that there is a lot to be done and the road for India is long. Don't you see a "Do More" for you yet?

This is where you go wrong, rather than laying an emphasis on on what "do more" means for Pakistan,you see how it applies to India/Indian audience.

I"ll be more clear,i just find it amusing that smug notion that Barak Obama's visit was some kind of loss to India.

This is where we stand on the other side of the border.. India has to do a more before Pakistan would do more for India. India is not USA neither we are Maldives to you.

For the last part, you are reading what is not written. India has got what was offered to it and that is a lot in itself but USA doesn't have all the keys that open UNSC door for India and USA itself hasn't handed over its key to India either.. So for the matters which are just promised, India would have to wait.. wait and wait..

 

[Hafizzz]

well when india gets it then we can talk. So far they have not been able to get IoK. What kind of "power ful" nation is this which is helpless at the whim of much weaker adversary and runs aloud the world forums in defaming its rival without much evidence.

Curing India’s UNSC hangover
Curing India?s UNSC hangover - Views - livemint.com

There has been a belief in policymaking circles that being a leader in UN peacekeeping would help India in its drive towards the permanent membership of UNSC. But what has India really achieved? Despite its involvement in numerous peacekeeping operations in Africa, African states have refused to support India’s candidature. Given China’s growing economic and military hold over that continent, these states were merely pursuing their own interests. India’s candidature will be taken seriously only when the country becomes an economic and military power of global reckoning, able to protect and enhance its interests unilaterally. Until then, Obama’s recent announcement in New Delhi will have little meaning.

I told you Obama didn't mean what he said when he visited India because USA said the same thing to Japan 20 years ago.

 

[r3alist]

you see power and respect has to be earned in the real sense, indians are understanding this now because they are being treated like a child who is not yet trusted by the elders.

 

[LAKHNAVI]

well when india gets it then we can talk. So far they have not been able to get IoK. What kind of "power ful" nation is this which is helpless at the whim of much weaker adversary and runs aloud the world forums in defaming its rival without much evidence.

we hope , will wait and finally get the permanent seat at the UNSC becouse we along with a lot of other nations think that we deserve it. what about you, in the list of failed states , bankurpt and the home of terror.

 

[Rajkumar]

well when india gets it then we can talk. So far they have not been able to get IoK. What kind of "power ful" nation is this which is helpless at the whim of much weaker adversary and runs aloud the world forums in defaming its rival without much evidence.

well we dont have it yet so we will keep on trying untill we get it because we will keep on making us stronger. today many people like you says pakistan being 3 times weaker then india keep it on toes, next year you will post 4 time weaker pakistan keeping india on its toes then again year after that its gonna be 5 times weaker in your post......

 

[unicorn]

well we dont have it yet so we will keep on trying untill we get it because we will keep on making us stronger. today many people like you says pakistan being 3 times weaker then india keep it on toes, next year you will post 4 time weaker pakistan keeping india on its toes then again year after that its gonna be 5 times weaker in your post......

In numbers yes we are short but in spirit we are a million miles ahead

 

[AMCA]

In numbers yes we are short but in spirit we are a million miles ahead

Whats the use of Spirit If Its Not Productive Enough???

 

[Hafizzz]

Well this doesnt mean India Wouldnt Get a Permanent seat.... Well We are ready to wait and Willing to aswell and We already are a Non Permanent member.... So Mr Hafizzz You May Please stop ranting and BTW Hafizzzzzzz We are not desperate, We see Pure Desperation in You and Your Leaders

If India is not desperate then why India keeps nagging when she got rejected by USA and many other countries ?

India now continues desperately to get U.N. seat by building UN reform coalition :

India needs to build UN reform coalition
http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/editorial_india-needs-to-build-un-reform-coalition_1468292

US president Barack Obama announced to the world that his country will back India for a permanent seat in a reformed UN Security Council (UNSC). But he had also cautioned that it would not happen any time soon. It seems Indian diplomats and bureaucrats have missed that last point.

Ever since Obama’s announcement, the ministry of external affairs has gone into overdrive to seek support from every other nation, including Russia and China, for a declaration of support for a reformed UNSC soon. So much so that Washington DC was forced to issue a note saying that reforming the UNSC will take time.

India would do well to heed that advice. Reforming the UNSC has been on the cards ever since the Cold War ended and that it took nearly two decades to even get the US to say that India deserved a permanent seat only shows how complicated and slow-moving the process is. Given that any change will meet with lots of resistance — not least from China and Pakistan — it might well be another decade by the time a reformed UNSC is born.

Moreover, reforming the UNSC is not just about giving India a permanent seat. We need to go back to basics: what will the reformed UN do beyond giving representation to under-represented constituencies and recognising changes in the power structure since World War II? What should be the criteria for choosing a new member? Should there be additional members or should some existing permanent members make way? Should the veto power continue to exist? Each of these queries is a landmine of politics, diplomacy, and national pride; none of them will be answered in a hurry.

India would do well to hasten slowly, even though our case is probably the strongest, as The Economist acknowledged in a recent editorial. The best way to reform the UN is to build a broad constituency of support among the big powers and the emerging ones. This will take time, tact and deal-making capabilities. It works best behind-the-scenes.

 

[AMCA]

If India is not desperate then why India keeps nagging when she got rejected by USA and many other countries ?

India now continues desperately to get U.N. seat by building UN reform coalition :

Well If Desires and Ambitions Look to you as Desperations, then Mr Let me give you a clean advise "You will not get anything sitting at home mum, If You need anything, U should have the Diplomatic Ability to ask and Achieve it" , If We do not achieve it we will only consider that we do not have the ability but We never give up....

Do I need to Define Desperation???

 

[unicorn]

Whats the use of Spirit If Its Not Productive Enough???

I am very glad to hear that the next generation of india thinks this way.

 

[AMCA]

I am very glad to hear that the next generation of india thinks this way.

My Pleasure.....

 

[Rajkumar]

I am very glad to hear that the next generation of india thinks this way.

think which way? that pakistani spirit is million times better then indians or indian care about usefulness of spirit ?