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NEW DELHI — The Indian Defence Ministry — faced with a shortage of ammunition for its Russian-made T-90 tanks, coupled with an inability to produce ammunition at home — has no choice but to give in to Russian terms and purchase marked-up ammo from Moscow, an MoD source said.

The MoD reluctantly agreed to the deal last month, despite the fact that Russia hiked the price by 20 percent and refused to accept offset obligations.

Russia will receive a $197 million contract for the fin-stabilized armor-piercing discarding sabot. In 2011, the asking price for the same order was $163 million.

Besides jacking up the price, the Russians also refused to transfer technology for making the rounds to the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), a demand India has been making for the past five years, the MoD source added. A diplomat from the Russian Embassy merely said the sale of T-90 ammunition was on agreed-upon terms, and refused to give details.

India was forced to agree to the terms because OFB’s efforts at making the ammunition failed, an Indian Army official said.

“India bought T-90 tanks from Russia without transfer of technology for ammunition, which has resulted in perpetual shortages for the ammunition,” the official said.

“There were reportedly multiple problems in procurement of T-90 tank ammunition,” said Rahul Bhonsle, retired Indian Army brigadier general and defense analyst. “The ammunition produced in India was not compatible with the fire-control system of the tanks, thus these have to be modified. The Defence Research and Development Organisation [DRDO] has not been able to resolve the problem, hence there is a challenge. Meanwhile, there was apparently no fallback plan, thus orders had to be made to the single supplier, which hiked the prices thus compounding the problems.”

A DRDO official said technology for the ammunition actually has been developed and transferred to OFB.

The Indian Army official, however, said the ammunition developed by DRDO is only for the T-72 tanks. The ammunition failed when it was used in the T-90 tanks.

“The OFB has failed to produce ammunition for T-90 tanks because it is far more sophisticated than ammunition for Russian made T-72 tanks,” Bhonsle said. “Because in the case of T-90 ammunition, there are intricate linkages with the fire-control computer.”

“The way out of the ammunition crisis is the need to tie up with overseas original equipment manufactures [OEMs],” said defense analyst Nitin Mehta. The rise in demand for T-90 ammunition as the fleet strength increases will be an attraction for OEMs to come forward to partner with Indian companies in producing the required ammunition, Mehta said.

The Indian Army operates more than 500 T-90 tanks, and plans to increase the strength to more than 1,300 by 2020 through license-production at Indian facilities.

An executive at a domestic private company said OFB has a monopoly on ammunition.

“The private companies [focus on] propellant and explosives, and not in the filling of the shell or rocket motor,” the executive said.

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
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Bitchy acts like these are forcing india to look west.
The more problems you create in spares,services,tot and ammo the more money you guys are loosing.
 
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Grow some balls India learn to protect yourself. Depending on other countries cannot go on forever.
 
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LOL...balatkar huyee gyo. Vikramaditya wale episode ka MMS bana liya hein rooskies ne. Ab wohi dikha dikha ke baar baar lagatar...
 
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Bitchy acts like these are forcing india to look west.
The more problems you create in spares,services,tot and ammo the more money you guys are loosing.

LOL...balatkar huyee gyo. Vikramaditya wale episode ka MMS bana liya hein rooskies ne. Ab wohi dikha dikha ke baar baar lagatar...

There is nothing wrong with what Russians are doing. A Hike of about 20% in roughly 4 years. As well as it is there right not to give ToT. The fault is of OFB.
 
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What the heck is this OFB doing there?

OFB is probably worst DPSU from the family of all and sundry DPSUs. Even if Ruskies would have given ToT, OFB would have not been able to manufacture APFSDS rounds.

BTW, I read somewhere that Russian rounds are less capable than Israeli rounds in term of penetration power, but Russian round was selected as saint Anthony had blacklisted all Israeli companies as part of his **** Israel campaign.
 
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sorry if i sound rude, but forkin' idiots still wana buy another 1000tanks by dumping the domestic products by calling them primitive,go ahead buy more foreign stuffs,they are milking us in broad day light,what the heck are those in the OFB doing? Lato ke bhut bato se nahi mante,kick the incompetents out of that PSU for god sake. RAW thread made my day but this .... :pissed:
 
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Sure Russia is messed up for doing it to an ally...but our anger should be more focused on OFB.....time to get rid of these PSU's. Not one single PSU has created any cutting edge tech even with a monopoly for 50 plus yrs. Time to make them extinct like the dinosaurs. Remember, how Jaitley looked unimpressed after touring their facilities
 
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