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NEW DELHI: New Delhi is set to
reject a global arms trade treaty
(ATT) since the agreement is
heavily loaded against
weapons-importing countries
like India, and let exporting nations like the US and China call
the shots. The treaty, meant to
regulate all transfers of
conventional arms around the
world, is likely to be passed by
the UN General Assembly next week. India's inability to
establish an indigenous defence
production industry may now
become a strategic vulnerability. New Delhi had several concerns
which Indian negotiators, led by Sujata Mehta, who heads the Indian mission at the
Conference on Disarmament (CD) in Geneva, fought
on, but virtually none of them have been
incorporated by the treaty's co-authors, led by
Peter Woolacott of Australia. The current round of
negotiations in New York is the second and final round. The first round, held last July, didn't have an
agreement largely because the US backed out. India wanted the treaty to regulate arms transfers
to non-state actors like terror groups. New Delhi's
focus was on terror groups that target the nation or
even internal insurgent groups like the Maoists but
this was shot down. Countries like the US and the
UK who supply arms to opposition groups such as in Syria and Libya wanted to retain the flexibility to
continue to do so. Terror groups do find mention,
but only in the non-binding preamble, and not in
the main body. In her remarks, Mehta said,
"Without such provisions, the ATT would in fact
lower the bar on obligations of all states not to support terrorists and/or terrorists acts ... We
cannot allow such a loophole in the ATT." Second, India wanted to preserve bilateral defence
cooperation agreements (arms supplies are
covered under such pacts) from the ATT's purview.
This hasn't found favour with the treaty's authors,
either. Mehta said, "Such a loophole in the Treaty
would have the effect of strengthening the hands of a few exporting states at the expense of the
legitimate defense and national security interests of
a large number of importing states." Once this
treaty goes through bilateral arms supply
agreements could come under this treaty if the
exporting country makes an "export assessment" under article 7 that it feels warrants stoppage of
supply. This would be disastrous for India, as was
evident during the Kargil war in 1999. India and China are the world top arms importers,
according to the latest figures by SIPRI. But China
itself has climbed to the top five global arms
exporters last year — and the bulk of its arms
exports are to Pakistan. Given the nature of China-
Pakistan relationship, Islamabad is unlikely to suffer even if this treaty comes into effect. On the
other hand, for India, it will become the
conventional version of the global nuclear
suppliers' regime. Once this treaty goes through
India will have to provide similar kinds of end-user
verification and access to satisfy exporters that it does with nuclear imports. India feels the burden of obligations rests largely
on the importers because they have to satisfy the
exporters on end-user verification, on keeping
national records of weapons and ammunition used,
etc. In fact, New Delhi wanted ammunition transfers
to stay out of the treaty's scope, but that too fell by the wayside. A lot of international arms transfers are no longer
outright sales, but incorporate leases, and even
barter deals in exchange for resources etc. That
should have been part of the treaty but it isn't. The
treaty absolves any state which transfers arms
under its own control if it states that it retains control of such arms. This means diversions and
illicit transfers will continue to happen under
different guises. The treaty applies to transfers of battle tanks,
armoured combat vehicles, large caliber artillery
systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters,
warships, missiles and missile launchers, small and
light weapons, while ammunition and parts and
components are also brought under scrutiny.


http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-to-reject-global-arms-trade-treaty/articleshow/19263590.cms


A good thing or a bad situation for India...anyone
 
Nothing is going to happen some of the western nations need money and India will pay them. USA always shows double standards nothing new and so India never trusts USA. Arms market itself is a black market .
 
Nothing is going to happen some of the western nations need money and India will pay them. USA always shows double standards nothing new and so India never trusts USA.

Was just about to make a similar point. This sort of deal is never going to go through if the biggest arms importer on the planet opposes it.
 
India's inability to establish an indigenous defence
production industry may now
become a strategic vulnerability and that is y under the guise of Make in India, India begs donations of tech from Russia, UK, USA, France, & Japan.
 
India's inability to establish an indigenous defence
production industry may now
become a strategic vulnerability and that is y under the guise of Make in India, India begs donations of tech from Russia, UK, USA, France, & Japan.

What do you mean India begs? We dont receive weapons as aid and soft loans. We pay for what we get and walk the extra mile to get its technology too..A strategic vulnerability is when you only have a single supplier.

Make in India brings in FDIs and India is among the top 10 FDI favorites. If you call us beggars then by your logic United states and China are bigger beggars.
 
NEW DELHI: New Delhi is set to
reject a global arms trade treaty
(ATT) since the agreement is
heavily loaded against
weapons-importing countries
like India, and let exporting nations like the US and China call
the shots. The treaty, meant to
regulate all transfers of
conventional arms around the
world, is likely to be passed by
the UN General Assembly next week. India's inability to
establish an indigenous defence
production industry may now
become a strategic vulnerability. New Delhi had several concerns
which Indian negotiators, led by Sujata Mehta, who heads the Indian mission at the
Conference on Disarmament (CD) in Geneva, fought
on, but virtually none of them have been
incorporated by the treaty's co-authors, led by
Peter Woolacott of Australia. The current round of
negotiations in New York is the second and final round. The first round, held last July, didn't have an
agreement largely because the US backed out. India wanted the treaty to regulate arms transfers
to non-state actors like terror groups. New Delhi's
focus was on terror groups that target the nation or
even internal insurgent groups like the Maoists but
this was shot down. Countries like the US and the
UK who supply arms to opposition groups such as in Syria and Libya wanted to retain the flexibility to
continue to do so. Terror groups do find mention,
but only in the non-binding preamble, and not in
the main body. In her remarks, Mehta said,
"Without such provisions, the ATT would in fact
lower the bar on obligations of all states not to support terrorists and/or terrorists acts ... We
cannot allow such a loophole in the ATT." Second, India wanted to preserve bilateral defence
cooperation agreements (arms supplies are
covered under such pacts) from the ATT's purview.
This hasn't found favour with the treaty's authors,
either. Mehta said, "Such a loophole in the Treaty
would have the effect of strengthening the hands of a few exporting states at the expense of the
legitimate defense and national security interests of
a large number of importing states." Once this
treaty goes through bilateral arms supply
agreements could come under this treaty if the
exporting country makes an "export assessment" under article 7 that it feels warrants stoppage of
supply. This would be disastrous for India, as was
evident during the Kargil war in 1999. India and China are the world top arms importers,
according to the latest figures by SIPRI. But China
itself has climbed to the top five global arms
exporters last year — and the bulk of its arms
exports are to Pakistan. Given the nature of China-
Pakistan relationship, Islamabad is unlikely to suffer even if this treaty comes into effect. On the
other hand, for India, it will become the
conventional version of the global nuclear
suppliers' regime. Once this treaty goes through
India will have to provide similar kinds of end-user
verification and access to satisfy exporters that it does with nuclear imports. India feels the burden of obligations rests largely
on the importers because they have to satisfy the
exporters on end-user verification, on keeping
national records of weapons and ammunition used,
etc. In fact, New Delhi wanted ammunition transfers
to stay out of the treaty's scope, but that too fell by the wayside. A lot of international arms transfers are no longer
outright sales, but incorporate leases, and even
barter deals in exchange for resources etc. That
should have been part of the treaty but it isn't. The
treaty absolves any state which transfers arms
under its own control if it states that it retains control of such arms. This means diversions and
illicit transfers will continue to happen under
different guises. The treaty applies to transfers of battle tanks,
armoured combat vehicles, large caliber artillery
systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters,
warships, missiles and missile launchers, small and
light weapons, while ammunition and parts and
components are also brought under scrutiny.


http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-to-reject-global-arms-trade-treaty/articleshow/19263590.cms


A good thing or a bad situation for India...anyone

If India will feel the heat
If this bill passed Pakistan industry will destroy
 
What do you mean India begs? We dont receive weapons as aid and soft loans. We pay for what we get and walk the extra mile to get its technology too..A strategic vulnerability is when you only have a single supplier.

Make in India brings in FDIs and India is among the top 10 FDI favorites. If you call us beggars then by your logic United states and China are bigger beggars.


Well you receive aid and loans....lots of foreign aid...infact one of biggest aid is given to India and Indian govt.

You only got what u want by signing ur loyalty and slavery to Isreal and neocons in US....ur indian govt do bidding in world politics for them...ur country is enslaved in world political map...u r the only one in asia selling urself for american donation against propaganda based Chinese threat.

Strategic vulnerability is always there when you have no manufacturing base in India itself...can u name one big item India made exculsively ....that is 100% from small parts to nuts and bolts to complete military product. All this supposed " Make in India" is fake and a big smoke in the eyes of Indian themseleves and the world...everyone knows where India stands in relatity....it is still a third world country.
 
Systemic trolling.

First you restart a zombie thread

Then secondly the user to wake such a zombie thread does not post anything proper but move on rhetoric.

Get a life.. Stop this nonsense and use your talents for something better..

@waz @WAJsal @WebMaster @Oscar
Please close this thread.

The user who woke this zombie thread again has the sole intention of trolling. Its been seen that he regularly wakes up zombie threads with mindless posts and starts posting factually baseless allegations about India in order to instigate and start a troll fight.

Request you to ban this user and lock this thread .


++ Fellow users - Kindly move on.. This thread does not need your attention..
 

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