What's new

India Facing Growing Maoists Insurgency, Targets Rights Groups

I agree I might be confused about CPM because both Trinmool and CPM blame each other to be in bed with Maoist.

In India law and order is state subject and hence to control Maoist sates have to act. The states did not have trained forced, so central government provided it to them.

Now the states are not acting against them and their are allegations that they internally support them.

Chidambaram is trying to push all affected states I guess 6 of them to act together.

We are not using Paramilitary forces or army against them and a need is not felt is itself a proof of their strength.

yes u r right
but its not cpm who really support maoist movement
its mamta banerjee who is supporting them openly

but the biggest barrier to the operation greenhunt is shibu soren who is not allowing action in his state
 
.
yes u r right
but its not cpm who really support maoist movement
its mamta banerjee who is supporting them openly

but the biggest barrier to the operation greenhunt is shibu soren who is not allowing action in his state

He should be sacked.
 
.
25% of Indian territory controlled by Maoists is a conservative estimate. Indian defense analyst Bharat Verma believes it's "over 40%" of the territory:

New Delhi [ Images ] and the state capitals have almost ceded the governmental control over 40 percent of the Union's territory to the Naxalites [ Images ]. The Naxals are aided and abetted by the crime mafia that runs its operations in the same corridor from Nepal to Andhra Pradesh, as well as Maoists of Nepal who in turn receive covert support from other powers engaged/interested in destabilising India.

The three dangers that India faces: Rediff.com India News
Isnt this the same Bharat Verma who is ridiculed as a fan boy, red cap clone and an idiot on this forum when he says something about Pakistan. Now that he made a commend about Maoists, he suddenly becomes a credible source:azn:?
 
.
and by presence it does not means that this 25% is offlimit to indian public and military,the civil administration works there just like the same way of rest in india

There is no Indian civil service or police presence in large swaths of the Red Corridor, according to Prof Pradeep Chhibber of UC Berkely who spoke at an event at Indian Community Center (ICC) of Silicon Valley. Chhibber is very critical of Indian government reliance on private militias in these areas, instead of normal civil administration.
 
.
There is no Indian civil service or police presence in large swaths of the Red Corridor, according to Prof Pradeep Chhibber of UC Berkely who spoke at an event at Indian Community Center (ICC) of Silicon Valley. Chhibber is very critical of Indian government reliance on private militias in these areas, instead of normal civil administration.

Lets talk state by state to help you understand what we mean.
Lets take Maharastra for instance, as I am from there. How many cities/districts they have presence list them. In last 1 decade I traveled a lot never came across a area where I cannot go due to them. To me it means they are living in some areas where normal person does not go.
 
.
Far-Left extremism is very dangerous and wherever Communism has come to power, it has only come through violence, hatred, fear and bloodshed in its path. Take the example of FARC in Columbia, Korean war dividing Korean peninsula and infact even Bolshevik Revolution.

Communists know well that their impractical and utopian ideas won't be liked and voted for by people which is why they resort to fear and militancy worldwide to come to power. And once they come to power, it is the end of rights, end of freedom, end of liberty and end of free will. The country becomes a golden cage for its own citizens.

If what the thread starter has mentioned is true.. then India is on a very dangerous path indeed and if it wants to continue its development, Left militancy has to be stopped by your government anyhow.
 
.
Mr Haq, even here you try and make a comparison between India and Pakistan in your post labeled "bloody revolution". Its time you get your facts right.

Trying to make analogies with the Pakistan Taliban is ridiculous. You may see the reasons below:

1) Taliban are fighting in the name of Islam :: Naxalites/Maoists want to bring down the government!

2) Naxalites are fighting within India. The below quotes from leaders and experts from all over the world show the problem Pakistan faces today.

" Unfortunately, our recognition in the comity of nations today is only as a ´ breeding ground ´ for religious extremism and militancy and as a country afflicted with a culture of violence and sectarianism. " Shamshad Ahmed, ex-Foreign Secretary, Pakistan

" Pakistan has everything that gives you an international migraine. It has nuclear weapons, it has terrorism, extremists... " Madeline Albright, Oct. 2008

" Let me be very clear. Today, virtually every major terrorist threat that my agency is aware of has threads back to the tribal areas " Michael Hayden, Director, CIA

" Why is it that all terrorist plots – from the Sept. 11 attacks, to Madrid, to London, to Mumbai – seem to have roots in Islamabad? " Ms. Benazir Bhutto, Washington Post, March 12, 2007

“Three quarters of the most serious plots investigated by the British authorities have links to al-Qaeda in Pakistan. The time has come for action, not words.” Gordon Brown, British Prime Minister, Islamabad, Dec., 15, 2008

For over a decade, India has been in the bull's eye of both al Qaeda and the global jihadist syndicate that has its hide outs in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Bruce Riedel, Chairman, Policy review Committee on Pakistan & Afghanistan

“Pakistan is on the top of the international community’s agenda for its internal conflicts and being home to potential terrorists”. Raymond Johansen, Dy. Foreign Minister, Norway, Mar. 2009


''I don't have a lot of confidence that the Pakistani government has the will or the capability to take on the violent forces inside of their country,” Senator Carl Levin, Chairman, Senate Armed Services Committee, USA, Mar. 2009

"We all know the epicentre of terrorism in the world today is Pakistan. The world community has to come to grips with this reality." Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister, India, Apr. 2009

“The Pakistani military and police and intelligence service don't follow the civilian government; they are essentially a rogue state within a state.” David Kilcullen, Adviser, Gen. Petraeus

“I have absolutely no confidence in the ability of the existing Pakistan government to do one blessed thing,” David R. Obey, Chairman, House Appropriations Committee, April 2009

“There is a line of terror, a chain of terror that goes from Pakistan and the border areas of Afghanistan right back to the streets of all our countries” Gordon Brown, British Prime Minister, Addressing British Troops at Afghanistan, April 29, 2009

“This is not our army, this is not our government. They’re worse enemies of Muslims than the Americans.” Muslim Khan, Spokesperson, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, Swat, referring to Pakistan and its Army.

“Pakistan is the headquarters of Al Qaeda’s senior leadership” Gen. David Petraeus, Commander, US CENTCOM, May 2009

“Russia and Asian allies have ‘legitimate concerns’ that terrorists could gain access to Pakistani nuclear weapons.” Vladimir Nazarov, Secretary, Russian Security Council, May 2009

“The main terrorist threat comes from Pakistan and Somalia – not Afghanistan.” Lord Malloch-Brown, Foreign Office Minister for Africa and Asia, UK, July 22, 2009

". . .the ultimate control of this conspiracy {August 2006 Trans-Atlantic Flights Bombing case} lay in Pakistan. . . the plot was run, monitored and funded from there." Justice Richard Henriques, Woolwich Crown Court, London, Sep. 14, 2009

“Homeland security begins in many instances abroad, and particularly what happens in Pakistan . . . ”, Janet Napolitano, Secretary, Homeland Security, US Government, Oct 2009

“. . . billions have gone down a *** hole in the past in Pakistan. . .”, Howard L Berman, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman, Oct. 13, 2009

“We know that much of the training and direction for the terrorists comes from Pakistan” Ms. Hilary Clinton, Secretary of State, CNN Interview, Dec. 10, 2009

3) Regarding India plunging into civil war, lets take a deeper look, for over 20 years, the Maoists have killed around 6000 people. This number is far far greater in Pakistan if you take just the last 3 years into consideration
List of terrorist incidents in Pakistan since 2001 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact you should write about Baluchistan since members of various separatist groups have said

"region of Balochistan, which has seen civilisation for thousands of years, is being oppressed by Pakistan. We're ready to accept assistance from anyone in our fight. We appeal to India for help."
as per BBC, 7 jan 2010

BBC News - Balochistan reaches boiling point
 
.
Lets take Maharastra for instance, as I am from there. How many cities/districts they have presence list them. In last 1 decade I traveled a lot never came across a area where I cannot go due to them. To me it means they are living in some areas where normal person does not go.

Maoists control large areas in central and eastern India.

 
. .
List from Central.
They are in Maharastra and MP. I am from MP living in Maharastra.

The rebels have a presence in more than 223 of India's 600-odd districts across 20 states, according to the government.

If the Maoists’ political goals seem unattainable, analysts warn they will not be easy to uproot, either.

Here in the state of Chattisgarh, Maoists dominate thousands of square miles of territory and have pushed into neighboring states of Orissa, Bihar, Jharkhand and Maharashtra, part of a so-called Red Corridor stretching across central and eastern India.

Violence erupts almost daily. In the past five years, Maoists have detonated more than 1,000 improvised explosive devices in Chattisgarh. Within the past two weeks, Maoists have burned two schools in Jharkhand, hijacked and later released a passenger train in West Bengal while also carrying out a raid against a West Bengal police station.

Efforts are under way to open peace negotiations, but as yet remain stalemated. With the government offensive drawing closer, the people who feel most at risk are the tribal villagers who live in the forests of Chattisgarh, where the police and Maoists, sometimes called Naxalites, are already skirmishing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/world/asia/01maoist.html?_r=1
 
.
India's Maoist insurgents have a long, brutal history. In 2009 they notched more than 800 fatalities, making them perhaps the nation's "gravest internal security threat," as Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in September. The rebels, known as Naxalites, have been waging a guerrilla war against the government since 1967. Their influence has grown in recent years: they now have a presence in 223 of the country's more than 600 districts, up from 51 in 2001. In October, following violence that included the Taliban-style beheading of a police informer, cabinet member Mamata Banerjee demanded that the army be deployed to Naxalite strongholds. The government chose not to send troops. Instead, Singh said in November, curbing the violence will require giving the marginalized Naxalites a stake in the country's social and economic fabric. "We have to win the battle for their hearts," he said.

Read more: The Maoist Insurgency in India - The Top 10 Everything of 2009 - TIME
 
.
Isnt this the same Bharat Verma who is ridiculed as a fan boy, red cap clone and an idiot on this forum when he says something about Pakistan. Now that he made a commend about Maoists, he suddenly becomes a credible source:azn:?

Idiot is an Idiot. Bharat questioned Pakistani Anchor (Javeid Chaodry) "is Pakistan sure its Nuclear Weapons will actually work against India?" :rofl: So may be off-topic but Bharat is sheep brain and he is never a credible source. Happy now?
 
.
The rebels have a presence in more than 223 of India's 600-odd districts across 20 states, according to the government.

If the Maoists’ political goals seem unattainable, analysts warn they will not be easy to uproot, either.

Here in the state of Chattisgarh, Maoists dominate thousands of square miles of territory and have pushed into neighboring states of Orissa, Bihar, Jharkhand and Maharashtra, part of a so-called Red Corridor stretching across central and eastern India.

Violence erupts almost daily. In the past five years, Maoists have detonated more than 1,000 improvised explosive devices in Chattisgarh. Within the past two weeks, Maoists have burned two schools in Jharkhand, hijacked and later released a passenger train in West Bengal while also carrying out a raid against a West Bengal police station.

Efforts are under way to open peace negotiations, but as yet remain stalemated. With the government offensive drawing closer, the people who feel most at risk are the tribal villagers who live in the forests of Chattisgarh, where the police and Maoists, sometimes called Naxalites, are already skirmishing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/world/asia/01maoist.html?_r=1

Do not give me generic answers, we understand what the presence means and want to tell you, but you do not listen. So now list me Cities/Districts, that way you will understand what I mean. In order for total of India to be 25% major affected states should be greater then 25% right. Chose one state which is greater then 25%, I am giving you one choice, we can then walk through each district and prove you..

Here is what I know of Chattisgarh its only areas near distric of Jagdalpur, that is not even 5% of state. So 1 state major one is not even 5%. Now there are some states that do not even have presence of them so how it becomes 25%.

The only way you can understand is when we go state by state.

My Indian bros, can someone help me with other states.
 
.
Do not give me generic answers, we understand what the presence means and want to tell you, but you do not listen. So now list me Cities/Districts, that way you will understand what I mean. In order for total of India to be 25% major affected states should be greater then 25% right. Chose one state which is greater then 25%, I am giving you one choice, we can then walk through each district and prove you..

Here is what I know of Chattisgarh its only areas near distric of Jagdalpur, that is not even 5% of state. So 1 state major one is not even 5%. Now there are some states that do not even have presence of them so how it becomes 25%.

The only way you can understand is when we go state by state.

My Indian bros, can someone help me with other states.

Here's a personal story of a Newsweek reporter about the situation in Jharkhand state:


INTERNATIONAL
Captors of the Liberated Zone
A personal visit to a part of India where Mao-spouting armed rebels are the law.

By Sudip Mazumdar | NEWSWEEK

Published May 2, 2009

From the magazine issue dated May 18, 2009

Late one night recently, my phone rang. It was my sister, and her voice was trembling. A member of India's nominally Maoist insurgency had just called her husband, demanding a protection payment of more than $1,000. The caller said someone would be sent to their home to collect the payment. Don't call the police, the caller warned. There was no danger of that. For years the Maoists have practically owned the impoverished eastern state of Jharkhand, where my sister and her husband live in a rented house on the outskirts of a small, dusty town. The terrified local cops seldom venture outside their station houses.

My sister didn't know what to do. The extortionists wanted roughly five full months' pay from my brother-in-law's midlevel government job. Even if the two could scrape up so much money, they didn't expect it to solve anything. When a protection victim pays off, the Maoists come back for more. But refusing is no option. My sister's husband, a soft-spoken, bighearted man, has traveled around the state as a literacy worker. In remote villages he's seen men who defaulted on small payments to the Maoists. Some were missing an arm. Others had their ears or their nose cut off. Running away wouldn't help, either. How would the family live if my brother-in-law left his job?

After a sleepless night I boarded a long-distance train from New Delhi. I wanted to see my sister and her husband, and I hoped to find someone who could help them. I grew up in Jharkhand. Now it's part of what India's Maoists call "the liberated zone," although most of the area's desperately poor inhabitants are anything but free. Of India's estimated 1.1 billion people, 836 million live on less than 45 cents a day, according to the state-run National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganized Sector. The states where self-described Maoists operate are home to nearly 80 percent of those 836 million. In Jharkhand, one of the worst-affected states, guerrillas routinely attack police stations, assassinate "class enemies," blow up government buildings and laugh at state authorities. The campaign of violence has intensified recently; the Maoists have tried with only slight success to impose a boycott against India's monthlong parliamentary elections. The group has blown up a couple of railway stations, hijacked an entire passenger train, torched trucks on the highways and killed five civilians on suspicion of being police informers or defying Maoist rule.

It was a hot, bright morning when I got off the train in Jharkhand with a vague plan to get in touch with the rebels. I knew some of the state's original Maoist leaders about 40 years ago. The group was outlawed after it began killing landlords, moneylenders and tough cops, and it petered out entirely in the late 1970s. A new generation of Mao-spouting armed rebels appeared in the 1990s. Their so-called people's war has been spreading across India ever since. There's little direct connection between the two movements other than their joint appropriation of Mao's name, but I thought if I could find any of the old leaders, maybe they could relay a message for me.

While I waited, I set out to find an extortion victim who could tell me about dealing with the Maoists. Jharkhand is full of businessmen, private doctors and shopkeepers who pay "taxes" to the shakedown artists, but most of them prefer not to talk about it. Finally, Sanjiv, a construction man in his early 40s, agreed to talk if I didn't mention his full name and location. Last year he had a government contract to build a stretch of road, and the Maoists heard about it. They sent a man to tell him they wanted a 30 percent share of his total contract in cash before they would let him start work. Sanjiv showed up the next day with the money. He was blindfolded and escorted deep into the forest, where a man counted it as masked gunmen stood by. Since then the Maoists have come back twice for more money. Another local contractor took too long paying. He arrived at the site one morning and found his road roller destroyed by fire, Sanjiv says.

I got further background on the Maoists from a local journalist. Deepak Ambastha is the editor of Prabhat Khabar, a Hindi daily newspaper. "There is no trace of ideological purity among the Maoists these days," he told me at his office on the outskirts of Dhanbad. "They are into extortion, kidnapping and even commit rape. The state's writ runs only within city limits." When the Maoists call a general strike, railways cancel trains, truckers get off the streets and people in many parts of the state stay indoors. Ambastha and a group of fellow journalists were robbed on a highway once by a gang of armed Maoists. He and his friends fled the scene and begged for help at a local police station, he says. The cops refused to open their gate. Ambastha warned me not to leave town after dark.

Still, I hadn't seen the Jharkhand countryside in years, so I hired a car. The driver agreed to take me out of town on one condition: he had to be home before sunset. We headed out into the countryside, where the Maoists rule. Many villages are miles off the narrow, potholed main road, accessible only by dirt trails. We stopped at Muraldih, a village of 500. About 100 young men and women live there, but only one has a permanent job in town. Others make money any way they can—pick-and-shovel work, subsistence farming, selling wood and fruits from the forest. They have no electricity, no health care and only one well for drinking water. I wanted to check out a rural police station, but my driver kept reminding me of my promise. We didn't see one police patrol all day.

The Maoists finally got word that I wanted to talk. It was well past midnight when my mobile phone rang. The caller gave no name and spoke in a local Hindi dialect that I understand and speak well. He gave a little speech about "establishing a classless society." Before he could hang up, I asked him why the Maoists terrorize ordinary people. He denied harassing "the poor and the powerless." End of phone call.

It would have been nice if he had conveyed that message to the gang of Maoists who raided the house of a former village headman a few days earlier near Gaya, in the neighboring state of Bihar. The man and his son happened to be away from home when it happened, visiting a nearby village. Someone rushed to warn them that a company of Maoists had been spotted heading for their home village, and the son called the police immediately. The Maoists rolled into the village unchallenged and looted the house. Then they ordered the women out, dynamited the place to rubble and melted back into the countryside. The district police chief later claimed that a team of police was sent to the scene. Villagers said the cops showed up nearly 15 hours after the raiders left.

A few days later, nearly 100 Maoists swarmed into a village near the Jharkhand town of Hazaribagh in the dead of night. They seized a schoolteacher and dragged him away despite his wife's entreaties, accusing him of being a police informer. They tied him to a tree and tortured him to death.

The more horror stories I heard, the harder it was to understand how any government could tolerate such atrocities against its people. I decided to call on the deputy commissioner of Dhanbad district. A computer-science graduate from the prestigious Indian Institute of Technology, Ajay Kumar Singh is the man in charge of both district development and law and order in Dhanbad. He's an earnest young man who lives in a well-guarded bungalow with a manicured lawn in the heart of the city. Singh blames the state's crushing poverty for the Maoists' influence. "It is a Catch-22 situation," he says. "There are no roads, so there is hardly any development. And when we go to build roads, the Maoists attack and destroy all efforts, because roads will expose their hideouts." Besides, he says, the state's officials don't live in the impoverished villages and therefore they have no stake in developing the backcountry areas.

For a senior government functionary, Singh is unusually candid. He's convinced that the Maoists couldn't prevent development if the politicians considered it important. "Human beings have built tunnels under the sea," he says. "Obviously we can build roads into remote villages." It's not as if the Maoist leaders were committed revolutionaries, he says; many of them are only hoodlums who use villagers as hostages and human shields. They keep the ill-paid local cops terrorized by attacking them with overwhelming force and no warning.

I asked Singh what happens when people get extortion threats. Most pay up, he said. The state can't provide armed guards for everyone who needs one. I didn't have the stomach to ask about people who don't pay. It was getting dark outside the bungalow. I asked Singh if I'd be OK driving to Giridih, about 40 miles away through some desolate stretches of forest. Wait until morning, he said. I walked out of Singh's bungalow into the dark streets. Until India's government gets serious about stopping the Maoists, I have no answer for my sister and her husband.

Fear Reigns in India's Maoist-Run Countryside - Newsweek.com
 
.
@Riaz
You continuously keep on ignoring to answer my question about 25% hence concluded you have lost the argument.
 
.
Back
Top Bottom