India exercises option for six more Hercules transport aircraft

[NEPALESE GURKHA]

Yup just to meet the requirement between 2014-2020 post 2020 you will have your own aircraft ready so its a very bad move.

If Indian government is too concerned with its aircraft then why not to replace ageing fleet of MIg with the same Dollar which you spend on impressing USA.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yup just to meet the requirement between 2014-2020 post 2020 you will have your own aircraft ready so its a very bad move.

No you don't understand. These 11 (5+6) Super Hercules are NOT meant to fill the same as the MTA. The C-130J-30s are meant purely for Special Forces use and aren't tasked with day to day transport duties. The MTA is to replace the AN-132 fleet in the IAF for regular transport flights.

 

[kaykay]

Yup just to meet the requirement between 2014-2020 post 2020 you will have your own aircraft ready so its a very bad move.

If Indian government is too concerned with its aircraft then why not to replace ageing fleet of MIg with the same Dollar which you spend on impressing USA.

you are getting it wrong. these air crafts are for special missions.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

2 points sir:

1) The Trainer issue has largely been addressed- PC-7 Mk.2s are being inducted monthly now and rookie pilots at the IAF's pilot school are already training on it, a follow on order for 100+ units is likely to come within the next year. And the AJT (the main issue previously as supersonic MiG-21FLs had been used in this role as AJT previously costing the lives of many) requirement has been fully addressed by the HAKW AJT Mk.132 which have been inducted in large numbers. One might point to the last remaining issue being the HJT-36 IJT but truly I don't understand why the IAF needs this, the PC-7 Mk.2-Hakw AJT combo is more than sufficient to train rookies there is ZERO need for the IJT, it is an outdated requirement.

2) The C-130Js of the IAF are not meant for "last mile" connectivity, they are dedicated Special Mission a/c for SOFs, they won't be used for day to day transport tasks.

Hmm, not enough trainers in place yet. And the IJT is a "different kettle of fish" still.

The C-130s are not only for SF Ops. They can fly in to the ALGs which no other aircraft save the Sutlejs can: with greater payloads, greater sortie generation rates and in all weathers. So that is what they are for. With probably a third tranche to come, esp if the infra-buildup is delayed further.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The C-130s are not only for SF Ops. They can fly in to the ALGs which no other aircraft save the Sutlejs can: with greater payloads, greater sortie generation rates and in all weathers. So that is what they are for. With probably a third tranche to come, esp if the infra-buildup is delayed further.

Yes sir, they CAN be used for that but they are reserved for Special Operations. That is not to say they won't be tasked with the odd mission to the ALGs but that won't be their regular tasking on a permanent basis.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Yes sir, they CAN be used for that but they are reserved for Special Operations. That is not to say they won't be tasked with the odd mission to the ALGs but that won't be their regular tasking on a permanent basis.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying. The routine every-day re-supply flights in peace-time are carried out by the Antonovs in what the IAF calls "milk-run" flights. But the Hercules get regularly deployed to the ALGs to train air-crews in SOPs required to operate to/from them. Not really the 'odd mission', it will happen periodically to keep the Hercules Crews current.
That is nothing to with SF Ops etc. In wartime; rapid deployment of men and material will be called for, which is SF or not is upto what you choose to call it. That is how the C-130s will get used then. Regardless of any fancy terminology.

 

[axisofevil]

So because you live in the USA we all should start kissing their as*es ?

India will never become an "ally" of the USA, the most hypocrite nation on earth.

Did I say that ....we Indians are hypocrites also. Dont be naive.

 

[Abingdonboy]

You seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying. The routine every-day re-supply flights in peace-time are carried out by the Antonovs in what the IAF calls "milk-run" flights. But the Hercules get regularly deployed to the ALGs to train air-crews in SOPs required to operate to/from them. Not really the 'odd mission', it will happen periodically to keep the Hercules Crews current.
That is nothing to with SF Ops etc. In wartime; rapid deployment of men and material will be called for, which is SF or not is upto what you choose to call it. That is how the C-130s will get used then. Regardless of any fancy terminology.

I understand you now, yes I am with you and what you say is absolutely right.

 

[axisofevil]

What proof or evidence have you shown to substantiate your statement(s) so far about the Chinese?
Specifically about Chinese troops in EVERY war fought with Pakistan.
"Show your money"; only then I'll be inclined to take it seriously. Btw, I'm quite familiar with all conflicts since 1962.

Just as I am familiar with the exploits of the 'Brothers Montgolfier'
So I await your "proof"..... not some drama-laden statements.

Not every war but there was 1. Then there was the supply of weapons, planning and intel. How can I give you proof, when most of this info is still classified? All I can give is some internet info. As for the Chinese, you think they didn't send any troops to the border during any of our conflicts? They do it during times of "peace" so what makes you think its impossible?


!971- America asked China to move troops to the border to apply pressure on India.


Luckily, the threat and pressure of Russia forced the to recalculate afterwards. Every war, the Indian military has taken steps to keep amn extra vigil on the CHinese border, if there were operations with Pakistan. That's a fact....

Did I say that ....we Indians are hypocrites also. Dont be naive. Do you really think the US is the sole hypocrite in this world? Look at our relations with the UK. they killed Netaji and our ppl, planned to attack us during 1971, etc. ...yet we still kiss their ***.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Not every war but there was 1. Then there was the supply of weapons, planning and intel. How can I give you proof, when most of this info is still classified? All I can give is some internet info. As for the Chinese, you think they didn't send any troops to the border during any of our conflicts? They do it during times of "peace" so what makes you think its impossible?


!971- America asked China to move troops to the border to apply pressure on India.


Luckily, the threat and pressure of Russia forced the to recalculate afterwards. Every war, the Indian military has taken steps to keep amn extra vigil on the CHinese border, if there were operations with Pakistan. That's a fact....

What is specifically new, credible or factually correct in what you are trying to say?
Actually (and ironically) the Chinese have been more predictable than the Americans in times of conflict......
And the Chinese have not showed any great enthusiasm to rush head-long to fight "somebody else's war".
Don't believe me? Ask Musharraff about his experience in 1999.

 

[The A-5]

Are we going to order a replacement for the one crashed -130J?

 

[indoPunjabi]

I think IAF should have 24 C-130J-30 and 24 C-17 aircrafts in its inventory to rapidly deploy large number of troops to indo-Chinese border. Untill we develop good infrastructure along Chinese border these aircrafts are crucial for troops movement.

Good decision IAF & MOD.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Are we going to order a replacement for the one crashed -130J?

Looks unlikely right now as it would've made sense (if they planned to do so) to get 7 units in this follow on order but the number remained at 6.

I think IAF should have 24 C-130J-30 and 24 C-17 aircrafts in its inventory to rapidly deploy large number of troops to indo-Chinese border. Untill we develop good infrastructure along Chinese border these aircrafts are crucial for troops movement.

24 C-130J-30s is a bit much as the IAF only uses them in SF missions, having an extra 12 would not be all that useful. If the IAF wants to get more for regular transport missions then they will need to go for an additional 20-30 C-130Js.

The IAF is almost certain to exercise its option for 6 more C-17s to bring the total fleet to 16, anything above this is unlikely sadly mostly because the C-17 production line is coming to an end and I can't see the IAF ordering 10 more (the ideal number of C-17s is 20-22 for the IAF IMHO) or 4 more units on top of the 6 follow-on units likely to be ordered. The timing will seem to scupper any chances of an IAF C-17 fleet above 16 unfortunately...

 

[axisofevil]

What is specifically new, credible or factually correct in what you are trying to say?
Actually (and ironically) the Chinese have been more predictable than the Americans in times of conflict......
And the Chinese have not showed any great enthusiasm to rush head-long to fight "somebody else's war".
Don't believe me? Ask Musharraff about his experience in 1999.

Why would the Chinese jump to war? What makes you think they approved of the 1999 skirmish? What was going on in China? What are their objectives....sorry I don't buy " the Chinese have been more predictable then the Americans." If so, 1963 would never have happened!


What I am saying is countering what you stated about China not helping Pakistan. They have done so in the past and continue to do so. Why the f-k do you think the Karakoram Highway was built for? Peace and Prosperity? Here is a link, that was released 8 yrs later. Thanks to UPA for not doing shit about it and leaving all you guys in the f-ing dark about the intentions of China. Wake the f-k up...




China moved N-missiles and launchers via Karakoram highway to Pak in 2005: Indian intelligence reports | Times of India Blogs

China conducted 3-4 nuclear blasts in Tibet in 2005 to divert Brahmaputra

 

[bharatiy]

We indians have lost many opportunities because of foolishness. When we Got Independence, US was very supportive and enthusiastic about India, as it was the most populous democracy. Nehru looked the other way, wanting more to be a socialistic. Tried to show his statesmanship writing stupid letters to UN suggesting plebiscite in Kashmir and what not. We are still struggling about it. US (JFK) offered India with a ready made nuclear bomb to explode and get into the Nuclear Haves club. We refused. Only Nixon was very critical of us. Then we sided with Soviet Russia during Cold War and invented the stupid concept of NAM rejecting US's extended hand of partnership, because of which they had to befriend Pakistan, which made Pakistan become at par with India. We have rejected every partnership call from Americans, whereas they have helped us so much, the last one being in the Nuclear supplier Group's acceptance of India as a nuclear power even though we haven't signed NPT. Today, when China is encircling us from all direction, a global situation is emerging where US is trying to check China as China is claiming land of almost all its neighbours, not just our Arunachal Pradesh. I truly hope we don't blow this opportunity up. Life is a journey. Wherever we see opportunity we should make good use of it. The breaking up of USSR and Putin ignoring India after that; the 1965 war with China should tell us that there are no permanent friends in this world. It's all issue based. And nothing but America is a better natural ally of India as have been acknowledged by our recent leaders. Let's make good use of it rather than shying away from it. Please, please, please, DON'T BLOW IT THIS TIME..

What is the meaning of expoding their atomic bomb, are they ready to give them in case of nuclear comflict. You dont blame Neharu even in todays world US is not reliable friend